Why didn't Trump condemn white supremacists?

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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Wow, didn't think of this one. Have to admit it's pretty funny.
Hey Christie, you need to visit this site.
No, I tell them to standby
According to Trump, interview getting on the heli, that means let law enforcement do their job. ???????
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I’m going to ask you right now.
“Do you support white nationalist groups”

Please answer.

I support their right to peacefully assemble, and I support their right to free speech. I dont support them if it goes beyond that, as it then turns criminal.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I use that as an example to show if you really believe something it's a very easy impromptu question. Like I've said many times politicians are asked the same question many times. Have you ever heard Trump equivocate on his love for fast food? Has he ever said "I've never heard of KFC?

Police during an investigation will ask the same question many times. If you are telling the truth there is only one version. If you are lying you often get tripped up. Trump frequently gets tripped up with the white supremacist question.

Let me ask you if tomorrow Joe Biden said Hunter accepted bribes from Ukraine would you believe it? After all he has denied it at least 17 times

Words with no evidence? No.
 

nickqt

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Once? LOL

1) “I am concerned about the rise of any group of hate. I don’t like it, any group of hate, whether its white supremacy, whether it’s any other kind of supremacy, whether its antifa… I am very concerned about it and I’ll do something about it.” – Business Insider, 8/7/2019
2) “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism – whatever they need.” – National Review, 8/06/2019
3) “The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division,” Trump posted on Twitter Saturday morning. “We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!” – USA Today, 8/11/2018
4) “I want to applaud the many protestors in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate. Our country will soon come together as one!” – Trump Tweet, 8/19/2017
5) “We will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression in all its forms, and seek a new future built on our common culture and values as one American people.” – Washington Examiner, 6/16/2016
6) “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” – Trump in his famous remarks about Charlottesville, 8/15/2017
7) “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.” – NPR, 8/14/2017
8) “I don’t want to energize the (Alt-Right), and I disavow the group,” Trump told Baquet. “It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why.” Asked point-blank about the conference featuring (Richard) Spencer, Trump again disavowed any support. “I disavow and condemn them,” Trump told Times reporters. He did chide them for continuing to ask about the topic though, telling one questioner: “Boy, you are really into [this issue].” – Politico, 11/22/2016
9) “I don’t like any group of hate. Hate groups are not for me. How many times do I have to reject? I’ve rejected David Duke. I’ve rejected the KKK, the Ku Klux Klan, from the time I’m five-years-old.” – The Washington Examiner, 3/6/2016
10) “I totally disavow the Ku Klux Klan. I totally disavow David Duke.” – The Hill, 3/3/2016
11) “David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years,” Trump said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK,” Trump added. “Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now.” – CNN, 3/3/2016
12) “David Duke and all was disavowed. I disavowed him on Friday. I disavowed them right after that because I thought if there was any question and you take a look at Twitter, almost immediately after on Twitter and Facebook, they were disavowed again. I disavow him every time I speak to somebody virtually and they just keep it going.” – ABC, 3/1/2016
13) “I disavowed David Duke a day before in a major press conference, and I’m saying to myself: How many times do I have to continue to disavow people…” – NBC, 2/29/2016
14) “David Duke endorsed me? OK, alright. I disavow, OK?” – The Hill, 2/26/2016
15) “I don’t need (David Duke’s) endorsement; I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement.” – Politico, 8/26/2015
16) “Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined (the Reform Party) – a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.” – NBC News, 2/24/2000
17) “I’ve had the chance to learn firsthand about the diversity of American culture, and it has left me with little appetite for those who hate or preach intolerance. One of our next president’s most important goals must be to induce a greater sense of tolerance for diversity.” – Donald Trump in his book, The America We Deserve, published 1/12/200
Look who has the talking points locked and loaded to defend the President telling White Supremacists to "stand back and stand by".

When you're defending a Nazi, you are one.

Keep on keepin' on.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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The mental gymnastics on display here from a certain poster would be sad if they weren't typical and expected from them.

I didnt realize correcting misinformation in this thread with facts was mental gymnastics. Amazing.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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You asked "Let me ask you if tomorrow Joe Biden said Hunter accepted bribes from Ukraine would you believe it?". Evidence beyond Joe's word.
You proved my point. Joe's not going to say that because Joe doesn't really believe it.

If you wife/gf asks if you love her and you read a statement from paper I guarantee you she will find that inadequate.

Yeah, not the same circumstance but this is about believability
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
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I use that as an example to show if you really believe something it's a very easy impromptu question. Like I've said many times politicians are asked the same question many times. Have you ever heard Trump equivocate on his love for fast food? Has he ever said "I've never heard of KFC?

Police during an investigation will ask the same question many times. If you are telling the truth there is only one version. If you are lying you often get tripped up. Trump frequently gets tripped up with the white supremacist question.

Let me ask you if tomorrow Joe Biden said Hunter accepted bribes from Ukraine would you believe it? After all he has denied it at least 17 times

I think what you're missing here is there's a reason Trump gets "tripped up" by questions about white supremacists. When put on the spot, he hesitates to condemn, then later condemns, usually in a prepared statement.

You realize that your posting the number of times Trump condemned David Duke prior to claiming he didn't know who he is confirms he lied, right? The question is, why did he lie on that occasion? Notably, Trump just said today that he never heard of the Proud Boys, another assertion I highly doubt.

The fact is, Trump's first instinct is to never condemn anyone who supports him. No matter how bad they are. Then, later his advisers tell him he needs to condemn them, so he does. Trump's first instinct is always to do the wrong thing, to be a pig. Whatever may follow is a calculated political strategy.

I don't know that he supports white supremacists, but I do know he'd rather not condemn them because he likes the fact that they like him and he'd rather not alienate a potential voting bloc.
 

Vic

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I support their right to peacefully assemble, and I support their right to free speech. I dont support them if it goes beyond that, as it then turns criminal.
I think most everyone supports that. The real question is there any conceivable way for white supremacists to carry out their agenda that is not violent and oppressive to the Constitutional rights of non-white American citizens?
Think about that for a minute. These white supremacists wave the flag and call themselves patriots and strict constitutionalists, and yet there is no possible way for them to achieve their goals that does not involve the forcible suppression of constitutional rights of non-white Americans. And how hard should it be for any real patriot to speak out against that?
 

fskimospy

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I think what you're missing here is there's a reason Trump gets "tripped up" by questions about white supremacists. When put on the spot, he hesitates to condemn, then later condemns, usually in a prepared statement.

You realize that your posting the number of times Trump condemned David Duke prior to claiming he didn't know who he is confirms he lied, right? The question is, why did he lie on that occasion? Notably, Trump just said today that he never heard of the Proud Boys, another assertion I highly doubt.

The fact is, Trump's first instinct is to never condemn anyone who supports him. No matter how bad they are. Then, later his advisers tell him he needs to condemn them, so he does. Trump's first instinct is always to do the wrong thing, to be a pig.

I don't know that he supports white supremacists, but I do know he'd rather not condemn them because he likes the fact that they like him and he'd rather not alienate a potential voting bloc.
I could see that argument for the first time this happened but this is like the tenth or twentieth. He knows he’s supposed to condemn white supremacists. If he doesn’t know this even after being reminded so many times that gives me concerns about dementia.
 

nickqt

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woolfe9998

Lifer
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I could see that argument for the first time this happened but this is like the tenth or twentieth. He knows he’s supposed to condemn white supremacists. If he doesn’t know this even after being reminded so many times that gives me concerns about dementia.

I don't think it's dementia. I think he has trouble controlling his base instincts, which is never to criticize those who seem to like him. In the heat of the moment, he's acting on his most core personality trait: his narcissism. What did he say when recently asked about qanon? "I don't know much about them, but they sure do seem to like me." Just look at how many times his statements in the past have had to be walked back or else "clarified" by his surrogates. It's no different here.

Trump lacks self-control.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I think most everyone supports that. The real question is there any conceivable way for white supremacists to carry out their agenda that is not violent and oppressive to the Constitutional rights of non-white American citizens?
Think about that for a minute. These white supremacists wave the flag and call themselves patriots and strict constitutionalists, and yet there is no possible way for them to achieve their goals that does not involve the forcible suppression of constitutional rights of non-white Americans. And how hard should it be for any real patriot to speak out against that?

Frankly I dont know as Ive never read their manifestos or dug deep enough to know. Assuming youre correct, thats illegal, and I hope whenever they do that they are prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. I really dont give two shits what they say or do, until they break the law.
 

fskimospy

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Perhaps if MSM would focus on the many times he has already done this, instead lying and saying he's never done it, it wouldnt come up? Its ridiculous.

Why are you so dishonestly representing what the media is saying about this? They are pointing out that Trump has repeatedly shied away from condemning white supremacists specifically and when he does he usually does it in a 'I condemn everyone' sense.

It is incredibly, incredibly disturbing to see any elected official, much less the president, attempt to #bothsides this issue. The media has made a lot of mistakes in normalizing criminal and aberrant behavior from the president but I'm glad they've not shied away from the facts here.
 
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fskimospy

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Frankly I dont know as Ive never read their manifestos or dug deep enough to know. Assuming youre correct, thats illegal, and I hope whenever they do that they are prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. I really dont give two shits what they say or do, until they break the law.
So how do you feel about Trump's repeated moves to minimize the government's action against violent right wing and white supremacist groups?

If he condemns them, why do you think he's done this?
 
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