So trump isn't positively negative on white supremacists?
So trump isn't positively negative on white supremacists?yeah, cause that totally tracks with a dude that took out a full page ad in the NYT demanding the execution of 5 innocent black men. ...especially oowhen he had no political anything to gain, just public perception.
That's totally something that non-racists would do. Narcissism fails to explain that, as well.
Just curious why don't you think he is racist, despite evidence to the contrary.I don't think Trump is a racist. I think he's a race-baiting xenophobe.
The former simply has animus against people because of their race. The latter inflames racial animus for personal and political gain, which is decidedly worse when you're the President of the United States.
Why didn't Trump condemn white supremacists?
Unfathomable. We have a real mystery here.
Every time he's asked...what's so hard about that? Also he should stop re-tweeting posts from those groups, again, not hard at all to do for anyone with half a brain.How many times does Trump have to condemn racism? Give me a number so we can put this issue to rest.
Here is an article from 2017 - https://www.npr.org/2017/08/14/5434...nces-the-kkk-neo-nazis-and-white-supremacists
Over three years Trump has been denouncing racism. How many times are we suppose to go over this topic?
Every time he's asked...what's so hard about that? Also he should stop re-tweeting posts from those groups, again, not hard at all to do for anyone with half a brain.
Then we will never be able to move past this topic. Kinda like hillary talking a few weeks ago about how Russia and Trump colluded to help him get elected.
The race issue has been settled for years. Time to move onto something else.
I read their wikipedia page...
Proud Boys - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
According to the article, there are 4 levels of initiation, one of which is to “get a tattoo and agree not to masturbate”. That was apparently amended eventually to the slightly more reasonable “no masturbating more than one time in any calendar month”. What’s the deal with that? Is it something about staying frustrated and angry for the cause instead of being happy and relaxed? How the fuck do they enforce this and how do they check? lol ... Are masturbation bans popular among organizations that seek to enhance group loyalty? - i'm assuming they think Masturbation is, on a fundamental level, a radical act of individuality and not good when group-think is being encouraged? ... This sounds like a recipe for a circle-jerk.
Yes, this is actually one of the primary rules/motivations in extremist fascist groups--requiring them not to fap makes them angrier and stupider--easier to control and make quick, brainless decisions.
Is One Sexual Behavior Triggering Certain Groups?
Masturbation may well be one of the healthiest human sexual behaviors.www.psychologytoday.com
This is commonly understood to be a practice of the Nazis (maybe not entirely true; but also not unlikely...). The "Proud Boys" are Nazis, so it tracks, at least.
I'm pretty sure most of us (left and right) who are not consumed by politics, had never even heard of the proud boys until the debate. However, we've all seen the death, destruction and terrorist activities of antifa. It seems to me that antifa is very much a hate group, hating anything right of Bernie, and a terrorist organization, operating in clandestine cells much like al qaeda.
Before you start screaming, I am aware of the DHS draft document. Who has actually caused more terror and destruction in the US this year?
You can drop the act. Antifa violence isn't really a secret; even Biden admits it. On Sept 7, WGAL's Barbara Barr asked Biden “Do you condemn antifa?” To which Biden answered: “Yes I do. Violence, no matter who it is.” Which, by the way, is a better answer than Trump gave.
I'm pretty sure most of those who do have ties to antifa don't go to riots wearing antifa t-shirts and broadcasting their affiliations although Michael Reinoehl, the guy who murdered the Trump supporter in Portland, owned up to it and was reported to have described himself as “100 percent antifa, all the way”.
and again, this thread is about Trumps defense of white supremacists and has nothing to do with Antifa., that is just a distraction that Trump uses. it used to be MS-13, funny he never mentions them anymore.
For him everything is tied to money and power. He'll cozy up to any person of any race (and for similar reasons denigrate or defame any person or any race) as long as it advances his own standing. Classic narcissist.Just curious why don't you think he is racist, despite evidence to the contrary.
Before he was in politics he was redlining black people out of his apartments.
He'll push racist theories and agendas, not because he believes in them, but because he sees that translating into votes or dollars in his bank account.
I don't claim to know everything, so he certainly could be both. I think his behavior from the 70s-90s show behavior that is more classic racist, while his behavior in the past 2 decades is more narcissistic and points towards stoking racial animus as a means to an end. Birtherism, for example...nobody really believes in that crackpot theory, and even those close to Trump say he never actually sent people to investigate Obama. But he used racial animus against Obama to promote his own brand of politics.Serious question: why not both?
id never heard of the proud boys before trump said something about them. the chairman of the proud boys is a cuban, Tarrio has been quoted as saying, "I denounce white supremacy. I denounce anti-Semitism. I denounce racism. I denounce fascism. I denounce communism and any other -ism that is prejudice towards people because of their race, religion, culture, tone of skin."[5] In regards to his own ethnicity, he has said, "I'm pretty brown, I'm Cuban. There's nothing white supremacist about me."[No, the Proud Boys have very much been in teh public for a while now. If you don't understand that they were a strong presence in Charlottesville, the bulk of the violence instigated at this summer's protests, then you haven't been paying attention.
Most of the violence this year? There really is no question: it's been established that the violence at these protests is largely due to outside Proud Boy/right wing/Trump supporting instigators. They represent the great majority of arrests made, and that isn't under debate. If you think it is, then you aren't paying attention.
Plenty of people were aware of this, and these people, before the debate this week. What you think you know isn't the same as what everyone else knows.
Go ahead and google who Steven Carrillo, then come back and defend white supremacists who claim not to be white supremacists.id never heard of the proud boys before trump said something about them. the chairman of the proud boys is a cuban, Tarrio has been quoted as saying, "I denounce white supremacy. I denounce anti-Semitism. I denounce racism. I denounce fascism. I denounce communism and any other -ism that is prejudice towards people because of their race, religion, culture, tone of skin."[5] In regards to his own ethnicity, he has said, "I'm pretty brown, I'm Cuban. There's nothing white supremacist about me."[
you say they are nazi's? you are the one making things up. I watched a lot of looting / destruction / police being attacked videos, it was always crazed protesters clashing with the police not the anti protestors. ive seen first hand antifa attacking random cars and people driving downtown in portland 2 years ago.
i read the wikipedia page and i dont see steven carrillo being part of the "proud boys" i just dont think they are nazi's if they have a chairman that is cuban.Go ahead and google who Steven Carrillo, then come back and defend white supremacists who claim not to be white supremacists.
I appreciate the honest assessment. Not like our classic trolls who say I should just up and dribble cause MericaI don't claim to know everything, so he certainly could be both. I think his behavior from the 70s-90s show behavior that is more classic racist, while his behavior in the past 2 decades is more narcissistic and points towards stoking racial animus as a means to an end. Birtherism, for example...nobody really believes in that crackpot theory, and even those close to Trump say he never actually sent people to investigate Obama. But he used racial animus against Obama to promote his own brand of politics.
Both are abhorrent and I still can't believe we defiled the highest office in our land with someone like Trump. It will take us years to repair the damage, if ever.
You were railing on about the BLM/Antifa boogiemen and I guess accidentally forgot about the white supremacists actually murdering people.i read the wikipedia page and i dont see steven carrillo being part of the "proud boys" i just dont think they are nazi's if they have a chairman that is cuban.
President Donald Trump has accused far-left groups of inciting riots and violence, but in the last 25 years, no murders in the US have been linked to anti-fascists, while 329 murders have been linked to the far-right, according to new research.
Researchers at a think tank called the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) assembled a database of almost 900 politically motivated plots and attacks in the US since 1994, ending in May 2020, which was reviewed by The Guardian.
I don't think Trump is a racist. I think he's a race-baiting xenophobe.
The former simply has animus against people because of their race. The latter inflames racial animus for personal and political gain, which is decidedly worse when you're the President of the United States.
For him everything is tied to money and power. He'll cozy up to any person of any race (and for similar reasons denigrate or defame any person or any race) as long as it advances his own standing. Classic narcissist.
He'll push racist theories and agendas, not because he believes in them, but because he sees that translating into votes or dollars in his bank account.