Why do AMD's CPUs get so much stick?

[escrow4]

Hmm, at that price, might be worth trying out.

i5 6500 - $205

Gigabyte H170 Gaming - $95

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117563

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128863&cm_re=H170-_-13-128-863-_-Product

Not counting rebates or shopping around, comes to $300 even. Less $124 from what AMD would have cost, leaves $176. $176 more for a build that will likely last a few years and you get a modern feature packed H170 chipset with ALC 1150 and all the trimmings. If you keep the box for a year it works out to slightly under an extra $15 a month.

You don't need an extra cooler for this build, you don't need to fiddle with overclocking, you slap it together and its done. So, why choose AMD?

 

[VirtualLarry]

You don't need an extra cooler for this build, you don't need to fiddle with overclocking, you slap it together and its done. So, why choose AMD?

MOAR CORES == MOAR FUN!

But seriously, I already have three Skylake systems. Two OCed G4400 Pentiums, and an i3-6100 at stock. They run pretty well, no crashes every 2-3 weeks like my 4.0Ghz G3258.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Yea of course, I never meant to imply that the $124 FX8320e+mobo was a regular price available everywhere, it's a Microcenter price. For those close to a Microcetner, however, that's a pretty sweet deal. I have two, both about an hour from me.

Yeah. Micro Center is about a 5 hour drive for me..... But, picked up some toys at the store last week because I was on vacation in Atlanta.

You guys could always try to visit one of their 25 stores when you take your next vacation.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

Learn something new every day, eh? Well, not every day...

I can't but facepalm to thinking like that. I'm not lazy, it's the person who fails to provide the source when asked who is lazy. I knew you had the source at your fingertips, so I knew it'd take far less effort for you to simply post it than it would for me to go hunting for it. Not that I would've - either you give the source or you don't, and if you don't, I will just dismiss your claim.

If you can't handle a search engine -- that is insanely lazy. There is no back peddling around it.

This a thread -- not a wiki. If you want cited sources for every sentence that is written here -- you'd be much happier at www.wikipedia.org instead

.....and the most important point, I really could care less if you dismiss the claim. Nobody else on this forum likely cares, either.

 

[Sable]

5 pages. troll successful.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Hmm, at that price, might be worth trying out.

Heck, if you want a cheap thrill -- the FX-6300 with motherboard is $99.

If you really want to whore yourself out with an AMD -- $59 buys you an A6-7400K with MSI motherboard (it's a decent board, too - midrange A68 with USB 3.0).
(I don't get the APU hate -- it's impossible to build anything with a discrete graphics card for that kind of money).

It's also kinda a hard to complain about upgrade path -- when Micro Center gives you a motherboard for free or ten bucks.
And the whole "FX is obsolete" is silly -- we are talking about a desktop computer -- one that runs Windows 10 flawlessy.

 

[Yuriman]

There is no microcenter here. In fact, the majority of people don't have access to one.

 

[jhu]

There is no microcenter here. In fact, the majority of people don't have access to one.

We used to have one in the bay area. Then they closed. I was sad.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

If you are thinking upgrading to Core i7 KabyLake by the end of the year then yes Socket 1151 + Core i3 is what you want today.

If you are keeping the system for 2-3 years then better get a new system at that time, by then you will have options of 10nm and AMDs ZEN++.

Yah, that's what I was thinking. You might have a slightly worse PC in the short term, but you would have a far better PC in the long term. If you had an i7 kabylake, I don't think a budget oriented individual would be interested in upgrading to cannonlake or Zen++.

The next CPU we buy could potentially last the average user a very long time, which is why I would recommend upgrading to an I7 or zen equivalent, rather than an i5.

 

[lehtv]

If you can't handle a search engine -- that is insanely lazy. There is no back peddling around it.

This a thread -- not a wiki. If you want cited sources for every sentence that is written here -- you'd be much happier at www.wikipedia.org instead

Another facepalm moment for me.

What makes you think I can't handle a search engine? You're making this stuff up.

What makes you think I want cited sources for every sentence? I only want cited sources for the things I ask cited sources for. It really isn't that hard.

.....and the most important point, I really could care less if you dismiss the claim. Nobody else on this forum likely cares, either.

You obviously cared enough since you did in fact post the source. I don't care what anybody else on this forum cares about, it's you I'm talking to not them.

Also, it's "couldn't care less". If you could care less, then you do actually care.

 

[jhu]

Yah, that's what I was thinking. You might have a slightly worse PC in the short term, but you would have a far better PC in the long term. If you had an i7 kabylake, I don't think a budget oriented individual would be interested in upgrading to cannonlake or Zen++.

The next CPU we buy could potentially last the average user a very long time, which is why the next CPU I buy will be i7 or zen equivalent.

CPUs from 6 years ago are still viable: Phenom II, Nehalem, Sandy Bridge. Even Core 2.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

CPUs from 6 years ago are still viable: Phenom II, Nehalem, Sandy Bridge. Even Core 2.

I think there is just a general elitist attitude from many people on this forum. Heck, CPU's from 8 to 10 years ago are still viable if the PC isn't used for gaming. Athlon 64 x2 or Socket 775 chips can still be used for office tasks and web surfing. Some people really need to chill on all the FUD.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

You obviously cared enough since you did in fact post the source. I don't care what anybody else on this forum cares about, it's you I'm talking to not them.

Also, it's "couldn't care less". If you could care less, then you do actually care.

"Could care less" occurs more frequently in the English language.
It is an entrenched idiom. The Oxford English Dictionary lists both with the same exact meaning.

+1 for me..... Complete failure of the English language for you. Better luck next time.
Of course, that's something a search engine could have helped you with......

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I think there is just a general elitist attitude from many people on this forum. Heck, CPU's from 8 to 10 years ago are still viable if the PC isn't used for gaming. Athlon 64 x2 or Socket 775 chips can still be used for office tasks and web surfing. Some people really need to chill on all the FUD.

Wasn't there a thread a couple days ago about a guy that couldn't even give away some 775 cpus?

CPUs from 6 years ago are still viable: Phenom II, Nehalem, Sandy Bridge. Even Core 2.

Yah, that's what I am saying, the next CPU you buy could easily last the better part of a decade, so you should buy a really good one.

 

[lehtv]

"Could care less" occurs more frequently in the English language.
It is an entrenched idiom. The Oxford English Dictionary lists both with the same exact meaning.

+1 for me..... Complete failure of the English language for you. Better luck next time.
Of course, that's something a search engine could have helped you with......

Sigh. Some people just don't want to cooperate I guess.

 

[escrow4]

I think there is just a general elitist attitude from many people on this forum. Heck, CPU's from 8 to 10 years ago are still viable if the PC isn't used for gaming. Athlon 64 x2 or Socket 775 chips can still be used for office tasks and web surfing. Some people really need to chill on all the FUD.

There is a big difference between the web in 2007 with Core 2 and the web in 2016 with a Core 2. Even with an ad blocker. A $50 Haswell Celeron is nearly as fast as a Q6600 in single threaded tasks. That isn't elitist, that is time to move on.

 

[VirtualLarry]

$59 buys you an A6-7400K with MSI motherboard (it's a decent board, too - midrange A68 with USB 3.0).

Budget builders take note! Modern CPU + mobo for little more than those obsolete FM1 combos!

 

[TheELF]

There is a big difference between the web in 2007 with Core 2 and the web in 2016 with a Core 2. Even with an ad blocker. A $50 Haswell Celeron is nearly as fast as a Q6600 in single threaded tasks. That isn't elitist, that is time to move on.

That's multithreaded,in single it's more then twice as fast as the 6600@stock.

 

[TheELF]

Budget builders take note! Modern CPU + mobo for little more than those obsolete FM1 combos!

Modern CPU that gets heavily underclocked whenever the GPU is under any kind of load...

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

There is a big difference between the web in 2007 with Core 2 and the web in 2016 with a Core 2. Even with an ad blocker. A $50 Haswell Celeron is nearly as fast as a Q6600 in single threaded tasks. That isn't elitist, that is time to move on.

Tell that to a business that is still running a 1,000 desktops with Core 2 in them. The cost is a lot more significant. I'd still rather have a Core 2 in my desktop than a modern Atom.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Modern CPU that gets heavily underclocked whenever the GPU is under any kind of load...

It really depends on how you set it under BIOS. The Kaveri A6 has a configurable TDP -- it throttles heavily if you set TDP to 45 Watts. Set it to 65 Watts and the throttling is barely noticeable.

 

[escrow4]

Tell that to a business that is still running a 1,000 desktops with Core 2 in them. The cost is a lot more significant. I'd still rather have a Core 2 in my desktop than a modern Atom.

Insignificant. A G1820 is $50 or less for individuals, Dell could whip you up a stack of modern machines for cheap. Volume boxes. If the business is making money then it should budget for modern tech. If it isn't making money then it will die out like any other failed business. How much productivity is lost each and every day from 2008 era boxes creaking along?

 

[Bradtech519]

did you have a k5? or maybe an Am5x86?

Yeah, I went from an AMD 486 DX4 100 to K5-PR 166.

 

[HexiumVII]

Single thread perf is the most important in everyday use. Just o/cing a skylake from the stock 3.4GHz to 4.5GHz, and webpages snap that much faster. Just go to the store and play with two identical systems, you will find the AMD will be way less snappy.

The blck o/cing in skylake is pretty amazing, though you do lose powersaving functions. I think the new Asrock boards will help.

 

[exar333]

Same reason a lot of the more experienced crowd here went with A64 ~12 years ago. The competition had slower IPC and an inefficient architecture. BD has been exactly the same...

Lots of people here care about gaming and CPU-related performance. Why drop $300+ (and in many cases MUCH more) on GPUs to only have 20%+ drop in performance by using a AMD solution? High-end GPU performance with BD is just bad, with a few exceptions here and there, that may be otherwise.