You got it wrong, it could have been an honest mistake, but i doubt it. All the accuracy we expect out of NASA.
You got it wrong, it could have been an honest mistake, but i doubt it. All the accuracy we expect out of NASA.Well like I said it was the cheapest in my area code at the time we changed providers and for our yearly usage.
It's cute though that you tried to call me out as a liar or that the price in your neighborhood negates my point. You'll find I rarely can't support positions.
You got it wrong, it could have been an honest mistake, but i doubt it. All the accuracy we expect out of NASA.
I wonder will the OP even return to his own thread, learn that he had it backward- that there's a bigger problem in his own backyard than the backyard he was hand-wringing over?There's a good example of how going by anecdotes or gut feel can lead one astray. OP's premise was wrong, so talk of possible solutions and Americans not caring about air quality is all misguided.
sorry, that's equivalent to "hmmm, it's raining by me, why are you saying there's a drought by you?"
There IS one person who will hold it against him and that is his ego. People who were poured into constrictive moral straitjackets as children suffer painful ego deaths breaking free. Everytime you post something that chips at that straitjacket he feels that death hunting him. He is an obedient little boy who inherited Mommy and Daddy's hammer and when you tempt him with truth he will reach for it.You've been checking up on me! I'm flattered.
I'm enjoying your evidence free denials. I can tell these threads on renewables and Climate Change really concern you by the amount cognitive dissonance you keep showing.
You know it's ok to accept facts. No one will hold it against you.
I agree. He is doubtless a European conservative who lives in a clean air bubble.I wonder will the OP even return to his own thread, learn that he had it backward- that there's a bigger problem in his own backyard than the backyard he was hand-wringing over?
I wonder will he start threads called "Why do Europeans not care about air pollution?"
I wonder will he correct those he probably got the idea from that air pollution was some uniquely American thing, and oh if only those people over there -not those here in my own squeaky clean backyard- only cared about it?
I won't hold my breath.
For our usage 100% renewables was between $0.06 and 0.07 per kWh.
While this wasn't my plan here were some similar plans when I got into this same argument on P&N a month or two later.
Few things... .I am with Green Mountain - so I know whom they are and I support them....
BUT - I feel it is worthy to mention that what provider you choose makes absolutely no difference. All electricity is provided by Centerpoint Energy in the area, so while you may be paying Green Mountain and they might be using their money to build wind generators, some of that money does go to Centerpoint. Just sayin'
Apparently Harris County is the place to be for Green energy money having you all sing the "whose bread I eat his song I sing" tunes.
We're pretty good compared to China in this regard.
We're pretty good compared to China in this regard.
We're pretty good compared to China in this regard.
The OP must have forgotten to put the /sarc tag on the heading.
Here is the pollution level that Paris is covered in today: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/eiffel-tower-disappears-thick-paris-smog-n693546
I live in Pittsburgh, PA (ONCE, in the 40s, a pollution capital of the world) and I have NEVER seen that level of pollution here or anywhere in the USA since 1950.
The 1948 Donora smog was a historic air inversion that resulted in a wall of smog that killed 20 people and sickened 7,000 more in Donora, Pennsylvania, a mill town on the Monongahela River, 24 miles (39 km) southeast of Pittsburgh. The event is commemorated by the Donora Smog Museum.
Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history".[2]Even 10 years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.[3]
...The sulfuric acid, nitrogen dioxide, fluorine, and other poisonous gases that usually dispersed into the atmosphere were caught in the inversion and accumulated until rain ended the weather pattern.[2]
The Donora Smog was one of the incidents where Americans recognized that exposure to large amounts of pollution in a short period of time can result in injuries and fatalities. The event is often credited for helping to trigger the clean-air movement in the United States, whose crowning achievement was the Clean Air Act of 1970, which required the United States Environmental Protection Agency to develop and enforce regulations to protect the general public from exposure to hazardous airborne contaminants.[2]
There's a reason our air quality is much better than in the past. It has a lot to do with regulations that we put in place due to hard learned lessons like this. It would be good to remember that.
Citation needed.Put in place by a Republican and since expanded far beyond what is needed or make sense.