Why do cat owners think it's acceptable to let their mongrels roam the neighborhood?

[linkgoron]

Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

 

[Thraxen]

I hate when nature intrudes outside.

 

[TravisT]

I personally don't mind the cats being outside. I would rather them not climb on my cars and put prints all over it though. And I wish they would stay in their own yard. I don't say anything though because my dogs have gotten out of their fence on more than one occasion and my neighbor who owns 2 cats that frequently visit my yard would bring them back.

Cat prints and them getting my dogs blood pressure up aren't worth ruining a good neighbor relationship over.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

Baloney. Except for that leash part, I've tried and they just lay down and let you drag them around.

I own 3 dogs, and a cat. The cat was an indoor cat until we moved where we have a little bit of space and a privacy fency. When the cat goes out, it stays on my property, if it ever starts sneaking out, it will be a fully indoor cat again. As it is she only gets out about once a week or so.

If you live in an area where your cat will not stay on your property, it is irresponsible of you to let it outside. They are a nuisance to your neighbors, and are in danger from wild animals, neighborhood pets, cars, neighbors who like to be respected etc.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

Baloney. Except for that leash part, I've tried and they just lay down and let you drag them around.

I own 3 dogs, and a cat. The cat was an indoor cat until we moved where we have a little bit of space and a privacy fency. When the cat goes out, it stays on my property, if it ever starts sneaking out, it will be a fully indoor cat again. As it is she only gets out about once a week or so.

If you live in an area where your cat will not stay on your property, it is irresponsible of you to let it outside. They are a nuisance to your neighbors, and are in danger from wild animals, neighborhood pets, cars, neighbors who like to be respected etc.

My cat has been fine for the last 10-11 years, and he's usually outside doing whatever he does. I haven't gotten any complaints from my neighbours (who both have dogs btw)

he's mostly on our property, but he may walk out to the street, or maybe to the neighbours (I don't think he does).

I tried to leash him once, he got out of the leash in 20 seconds. Never tried it again, and it's kind of stupid anyway.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

Baloney. Except for that leash part, I've tried and they just lay down and let you drag them around.

I own 3 dogs, and a cat. The cat was an indoor cat until we moved where we have a little bit of space and a privacy fency. When the cat goes out, it stays on my property, if it ever starts sneaking out, it will be a fully indoor cat again. As it is she only gets out about once a week or so.

If you live in an area where your cat will not stay on your property, it is irresponsible of you to let it outside. They are a nuisance to your neighbors, and are in danger from wild animals, neighborhood pets, cars, neighbors who like to be respected etc.

My cat has been fine for the last 10-11 years, and he's usually outside doing whatever he does. I haven't gotten any complaints from my neighbours (who both have dogs btw)

he's mostly on our property, but he may walk out to the street, or maybe to the neighbours (I don't think he does).

I tried to leash him once, he got out of the leash in 20 seconds. Never tried it again, and it's kind of stupid anyway.

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

 

[nsx98]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
I hate when nature intrudes outside.

word.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

Baloney. Except for that leash part, I've tried and they just lay down and let you drag them around.

I own 3 dogs, and a cat. The cat was an indoor cat until we moved where we have a little bit of space and a privacy fency. When the cat goes out, it stays on my property, if it ever starts sneaking out, it will be a fully indoor cat again. As it is she only gets out about once a week or so.

If you live in an area where your cat will not stay on your property, it is irresponsible of you to let it outside. They are a nuisance to your neighbors, and are in danger from wild animals, neighborhood pets, cars, neighbors who like to be respected etc.

My cat has been fine for the last 10-11 years, and he's usually outside doing whatever he does. I haven't gotten any complaints from my neighbours (who both have dogs btw)

he's mostly on our property, but he may walk out to the street, or maybe to the neighbours (I don't think he does).

I tried to leash him once, he got out of the leash in 20 seconds. Never tried it again, and it's kind of stupid anyway.

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

LOOK!! even the SPCA thinks dogs are EVIL!!

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: pontifex

LOOK!! even the SPCA thinks dogs are EVIL!!

You definetly don't have the my domesticated animal is better than your domesticated animal complex do you?

Would'nt care to comment on what they have to say about the topic at hand would you?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Cats are not dogs. You just can't keep them inside, and you can't use a leash with cats.

Baloney. Except for that leash part, I've tried and they just lay down and let you drag them around.

I own 3 dogs, and a cat. The cat was an indoor cat until we moved where we have a little bit of space and a privacy fency. When the cat goes out, it stays on my property, if it ever starts sneaking out, it will be a fully indoor cat again. As it is she only gets out about once a week or so.

If you live in an area where your cat will not stay on your property, it is irresponsible of you to let it outside. They are a nuisance to your neighbors, and are in danger from wild animals, neighborhood pets, cars, neighbors who like to be respected etc.

My cat has been fine for the last 10-11 years, and he's usually outside doing whatever he does. I haven't gotten any complaints from my neighbours (who both have dogs btw)

he's mostly on our property, but he may walk out to the street, or maybe to the neighbours (I don't think he does).

I tried to leash him once, he got out of the leash in 20 seconds. Never tried it again, and it's kind of stupid anyway.

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Shut the hell up. Cats don't do you any harm. Are you worried one might beat the crap out of your dog or something? :|

I beg to differ. They jump on top of my car have left some scratch marks on my paint

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: pontifex

LOOK!! even the SPCA thinks dogs are EVIL!!

You definetly don't have the my domesticated animal is better than your domesticated animal complex do you?

Would'nt care to comment on what they have to say about the topic at hand would you?

although i do prefer cats to dogs, i'm just making a joke...geez

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

You run many studies on this topic? Got your research to back you up?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Shut the hell up. Cats don't do you any harm. Are you worried one might beat the crap out of your dog or something? :|

I beg to differ. They jump on top of my car have left some scratch marks on my paint

Also -

"Domestic cats are considered primarily responsible for the extinction of 33 bird species since the 1600s."

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/NFWF.pdf

 

[L1FE]

Why are people using irresponsible owners letting dogs crap on lawns as a justification for irresponsible owners letting cats roam around the neighborhood. The fact is that both are nuisances and the root problem (it's the only two word combination in the last sentence that is repeated) is that there are irresponsible owners who don't know how to properly handle their pets.

Similarly, people are angry about people hurting animals and in their self-righteous fury are threatening to do physical harm to those people. Pot, meet kettle. And in case you're trying to justify your wanton violence on your fellow man by stating that your actions are justified, think too that those people who willingly harm animals feel they too are justified for their actions.

Honestly, it's amazing how emotional people get when talking about animals, yet can be so calloused when talking about another human being.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: L1FE
Why are people using irresponsible owners letting dogs crap on lawns as a justification for irresponsible owners letting cats roam around the neighborhood. The fact is that both are nuisances and the root problem (it's the only two word combination in the last sentence that is repeated) is that there are irresponsible owners who don't know how to properly handle their pets.

<snip>

My guess is the people using this argument, are in fact self justifying irresponsible owners

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Shut the hell up. Cats don't do you any harm. Are you worried one might beat the crap out of your dog or something? :|

I beg to differ. They jump on top of my car have left some scratch marks on my paint

Also -

"Domestic cats are considered primarily responsible for the extinction of 33 bird species since the 1600s."

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/NFWF.pdf

Then of course reality steps in and shows that cats are not all that efficient at catching birds.

DOMESTIC CATS - WILDLIFE ENEMY NUMBER ONE OR CONVENIENT SCAPEGOATS?

Note: Yes that link is from an advocacy site but so is the bird link.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

You run many studies on this topic? Got your research to back you up?

my own damn experiance
and, here is one http://www.petplace.com/cats/the-great-...-indoor-versus-outdoor-cats/page1.aspx

" The average life span of indoor cats is about 14 years ? though this is reduced to 4 years in cats that are allowed to roam free, exposing themselves to the hazards of outdoor life."

so its 10 years, which is belivable (though my own cat lived more than that, and had to be put down because of cancer, not something she got because she was outside)

2 years is laughable

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Shut the hell up. Cats don't do you any harm. Are you worried one might beat the crap out of your dog or something? :|

I beg to differ. They jump on top of my car have left some scratch marks on my paint

Also -

"Domestic cats are considered primarily responsible for the extinction of 33 bird species since the 1600s."

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/NFWF.pdf

Then of course reality steps in and shows that cats are not all that efficient at catching birds.

I'm not saying it did'nt take them 400 years. Then again, I don't have access to any research libraries at the moment to compare the research, so you may well be right.

They're problematic to neighbors, and it's still detrimental to the life of the cat.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

You run many studies on this topic? Got your research to back you up?

my own damn experiance
and, here is one http://www.petplace.com/cats/the-great-...-indoor-versus-outdoor-cats/page1.aspx

" The average life span of indoor cats is about 14 years ? though this is reduced to 4 years in cats that are allowed to roam free, exposing themselves to the hazards of outdoor life."

so its 10 years, which is belivable (though my own cat lived more than that, and had to be put down because of cancer, not something she got because she was outside)

2 years is laughable

Gotta love anecdotal evidence, but we all have that.

AND, it seems you aren't reading your own quote right, the outdoor cat's lifespan was reduced BY 10 years TO 4 years. Still over a 2/3 reduction in lifespan.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Shut the hell up. Cats don't do you any harm. Are you worried one might beat the crap out of your dog or something? :|

I beg to differ. They jump on top of my car have left some scratch marks on my paint

Also -

"Domestic cats are considered primarily responsible for the extinction of 33 bird species since the 1600s."

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/NFWF.pdf

Then of course reality steps in and shows that cats are not all that efficient at catching birds.

I'm not saying it did'nt take them 400 years. Then again, I don't have access to any research libraries at the moment to compare the research, so you may well be right.

They're problematic to neighbors, and it's still detrimental to the life of the cat.

I'm not supporting letting your cats outside, we love our cats and would like to have them around as long as possible so we keep them inside our house safe from cars, disease, and deranged people that like to torture animals. Traditionally cats were considered to be roaming pets and not covered by local leash laws the ways dogs have been. In urban and suburban areas this is changing but it takes a while to change people?s behavior. Just read any thread on this board regarding cats and you will see examples of almost every misconception about cats that are in people?s heads.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: ballmode
I HATE CATS

I secretly try to poison my neighbors cats

Chris, I'm sure your neighbors on Paddington Ct. will be as interested in this public confession as will the Columbus police department.

Which would you like us to start contacting first? :|

AnandTech Moderator

Wow, apparently there is an Mod that has no sense of humor and likes to act like a total A-hole. I think this is the type of person everyone at work hates...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

You run many studies on this topic? Got your research to back you up?

my own damn experiance
and, here is one http://www.petplace.com/cats/the-great-...-indoor-versus-outdoor-cats/page1.aspx

" The average life span of indoor cats is about 14 years ? though this is reduced to 4 years in cats that are allowed to roam free, exposing themselves to the hazards of outdoor life."

so its 10 years, which is belivable (though my own cat lived more than that, and had to be put down because of cancer, not something she got because she was outside)

2 years is laughable

Gotta love anecdotal evidence, but we all have that.

AND, it seems you aren't reading your own quote right, the outdoor cat's lifespan was reduced BY 10 years TO 4 years. Still over a 2/3 reduction in lifespan.

right you are, I blame my non english native language and slight dislexia

but 4 years still far from belivable

my neighborhood is full of cats, and year after year they are the same cats I see here

and tell me this, why is it where I live in iceland it considered odd to have an indoor only cat compared to a free roaming cat? yet they live 10-20 years?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: ballmode
I HATE CATS

I secretly try to poison my neighbors cats

Chris, I'm sure your neighbors on Paddington Ct. will be as interested in this public confession as will the Columbus police department.

Which would you like us to start contacting first? :|

AnandTech Moderator

Wow, apparently there is an Mod that has no sense of humor and likes to act like a total A-hole. I think this is the type of person everyone at work hates...

I thought that was a harsh way to deal with a joke myself.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Turin39789

I still say that the idea that you cannot keep cats inside is ridiculous. The Humane Society and the ASPCA say indoor only is best.

"When you allow your cat to roam freely outside, you not only expose a beloved companion to potential harm, but you also affect the people and animals in your community. At the very least, your cat may dig in your neighbors' flower beds and defecate in their kids' sandboxes. But free-roaming cats also have far more serious effects: "



"The average indoor cat lives to be ten to twelve years old, and many of us know felines who are older than twenty. Conversely, outdoor-only cats survive for an average of two years in that situation. Our homes offer a safer, healthier environment than life on the street. Just think, no ticks and fleas unless the family dog brings them in; no tangling with rabid raccoons, aromatic skunks or hungry coyotes, and no one-on-ones with moving vehicles. There's no doubt about it?indoors is safest!"

what a load of crap

You run many studies on this topic? Got your research to back you up?

my own damn experiance
and, here is one http://www.petplace.com/cats/the-great-...-indoor-versus-outdoor-cats/page1.aspx

" The average life span of indoor cats is about 14 years ? though this is reduced to 4 years in cats that are allowed to roam free, exposing themselves to the hazards of outdoor life."

so its 10 years, which is belivable (though my own cat lived more than that, and had to be put down because of cancer, not something she got because she was outside)

2 years is laughable

Gotta love anecdotal evidence, but we all have that.

AND, it seems you aren't reading your own quote right, the outdoor cat's lifespan was reduced BY 10 years TO 4 years. Still over a 2/3 reduction in lifespan.

right you are, I blame my non english native language and slight dislexia

but 4 years still far from belivable

my neighborhood is full of cats, and year after year they are the same cats I see here

and tell me this, why is it where I live in iceland it considered odd to have an indoor only cat compared to a free roaming cat? yet they live 10-20 years?

Could'nt tell you. I don't live in Iceland and I did'nt run the study.