n0c...made sure I did it right as not to offend you...they arent that dumb...I hope <says that in a very scared manner>
Originally posted by: Fixxors
"Why do conservatives think that their way is the only way?"
Because conservative people have ideals based on ignorance and hatred, which they can only support by thinkin in black and white. Right or wrong. Conservatives don't want to think. They want to have someone tell em its evil, or a sin, so they use what little sytem resources their brains can power to watch Jerry Springer.
Matter of fact, they consider thinking "hypocracy". Abortion will always be a grey area for the liberal mind. So will the death penalty, gun control, the envonment, seperation of chuch and state and so on. A liberal will carry the burden of thinking, and rethinking, and reconsidering, even if the answer may never come. And liberals trust in each other, no matter how different. They don't fear other races, or cultures, or orientations, and thus they are open to peace instead of dominance. And the conservative walls that keep back our community will eventually be overcome. The liberal american dream of unity and equality may seem unattainable, but it's the struggle that is so important. Even now the conservatives today share many ideals of the liberals of yesterday. They are just a couple decades behind.
Conservatives are just people that have given up, and are stubbornly letting themselves be left behind because they are afraid of diversity and don't trust in mankind. They want "god" to set the rules. They want progress and change to be demonized and illegalized or censored. With our conservatives you are either for or against. Pro or con. That's why religion is such an important tool for them. But they are a dying breed and they realise it, and they are bitter. America will not let them forget the aftermath of our own hatred and ignorance. Racism has been proven immoral, as has sexism. America will not let it's gays or women or minoritys suffer anymore. Prohibition and censorship have only led to perversion and made our children victims.
They think their way is the only way, because they are not free to invest any real thought. In the end what is right will prevail. Sadly there are a lot of people being hurt in our country even today as we wait for conservatives to catch up.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow, now you're just resulting to ad-hominem attacks on me. "blindly following" connotes some sort of unthinking lemming. "opinions of their own" implies that the people you're ranting about (conservatives from the title though you're trying to change that around) don't have opinions of their own, that their opinions must be handed down by some sort of overlord or something. the lemming analogy works quite well here still.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Grey
I agree the more major conservatives can be a bit strong in their wording. But in the end of your post you call for solidarity even if the unpopular choice plays out. I only see conservatives making the same statement, the protestors are doing everything they can to split the nation.
They seem to be trying to convince people of their opinion. Which is similar to what conservative/pro-killing/pro-north korean nuclear warhead people seem to try.
So close to name calling on conservatives....but i guess you dont do that
Name calling? How about truth telling? Conservatives are typically for war which a big part of is killing. If we are sending all of our forces to deal with someone else's problem in Iraq, we are leaving North Korea to its nuclear warheads. So supporting moving our troops to Iraq means you might not have a problem with N. Korea. Just a little idiotic reasoning. Im thinking about running for office.
Diplomacy has failed in Iraq, no option other than war exists. I do think that if the UN stood together on Iraq, Iraq could be quickly disarmed in a non violent manner. Current the security council is not interested in doing this. Iraq has been in violation for over 12 years.
I currently support ongoing diplomatic talks with NK. Between Japan, China and Russia we have alot of room to correct the problem. AT the same time, I fully support the moving of B1s,B-52s and a carrier group over there while we are talking. These troops movement are happening right now. NK has been in violation of the no nuke treaty for a few months. There is a difference.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow, now you're just resulting to ad-hominem attacks on me. "blindly following" connotes some sort of unthinking lemming. "opinions of their own" implies that the people you're ranting about (conservatives from the title though you're trying to change that around) don't have opinions of their own, that their opinions must be handed down by some sort of overlord or something. the lemming analogy works quite well here still.
Yes, many pro-war activists or whatever you want to call them are blindly following the government's wants. Not all. I never once said all conservatives are blindly following.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: NewSc2
Not everybody thinks liberals are unpatriotic, except when liberals complain about the government, like I see daily, I'd imagine that that is somewhat unpatriotic.
Protestors at my school consistently call the United States an axis of evil, corrupt, uncivilized, stupid, the big Satan, etc. How is that Patriotic? Move out if you don't like it.
If you disagree with the actions of the government it's your patriotic duty to lobby and protest to make your voice heard. It's one of the most fundamental ideas that America was founded upon. "Move out if you don't like it" is exactly what the British said before some colonists groups came here. It's one of the most unpatriotic things you can say.
I dont see it as unpatriotic. If someone is truely unhappy, they have the right the leave.
Running away from problems solves nothing. Didnt you learn that early in life?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: rudeguy5757
no way you or any democrat (assuming you are one), should leave. Debate leads to comprimise and in most cases that is good. But this is one time that I dont think we can show any signs of weakness....we gave Saddam 12 years to do what he needed to...and he stalled and lied his way up til this point. Are the being more cooperative now? Yes. You would too if you had 230,000 troops and 6 air craft carrier groups at your border. This is one time where we really need to kick ass and take names later. (sorry mods)
This sounds like the UN's problem, not ours. We should deal with N. Korea and other real threats.
We are. Bombers are moving into place as is a carrier group. ALso working diplomatically with China, SK, Japan and Russia. You argument does not hold water.
I currently support ongoing diplomatic talks with NK. Between Japan, China and Russia we have alot of room to correct the problem. AT the same time, I fully support the moving of B1s,B-52s and a carrier group over there while we are talking. These troops movement are happening right now. NK has been in violation of the no nuke treaty for a few months. There is a difference.
Arent these UN mandates? If so, why doesnt the UN take care of it isntead of the US having to clean up?
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Fixxors
"Why do conservatives think that their way is the only way?"
Because conservative people have ideals based on ignorance and hatred, which they can only support by thinkin in black and white. Right or wrong. Conservatives don't want to think. They want to have someone tell em its evil, or a sin, so they use what little sytem resources their brains can power to watch Jerry Springer.
Matter of fact, they consider thinking "hypocracy". Abortion will always be a grey area for the liberal mind. So will the death penalty, gun control, the envonment, seperation of chuch and state and so on. A liberal will carry the burden of thinking, and rethinking, and reconsidering, even if the answer may never come. And liberals trust in each other, no matter how different. They don't fear other races, or cultures, or orientations, and thus they are open to peace instead of dominance. And the conservative walls that keep back our community will eventually be overcome. The liberal american dream of unity and equality may seem unattainable, but it's the struggle that is so important. Even now the conservatives today share many ideals of the liberals of yesterday. They are just a couple decades behind.
Conservatives are just people that have given up, and are stubbornly letting themselves be left behind because they are afraid of diversity and don't trust in mankind. They want "god" to set the rules. They want progress and change to be demonized and illegalized or censored. With our conservatives you are either for or against. Pro or con. That's why religion is such an important tool for them. But they are a dying breed and they realise it, and they are bitter. America will not let them forget the aftermath of our own hatred and ignorance. Racism has been proven immoral, as has sexism. America will not let it's gays or women or minoritys suffer anymore. Prohibition and censorship have only led to perversion and made our children victims.
They think their way is the only way, because they are not free to invest any real thought. In the end what is right will prevail. Sadly there are a lot of people being hurt in our country even today as we wait for conservatives to catch up.
That's pretty ignorant thinking there. I am so pro-abortion, I think everyone should have one. j/k But I believe abortion should be the right of the person and government shouldn't get involve. Does that make me a liberal, hell no, it doesn't. And Jerry springer, I believe all the people on that show have to be liberal. Trailer-trash is usually democrats.
KK
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow, now you're just resulting to ad-hominem attacks on me. "blindly following" connotes some sort of unthinking lemming. "opinions of their own" implies that the people you're ranting about (conservatives from the title though you're trying to change that around) don't have opinions of their own, that their opinions must be handed down by some sort of overlord or something. the lemming analogy works quite well here still.
Yes, many pro-war activists or whatever you want to call them are blindly following the government's wants. Not all. I never once said all conservatives are blindly following.
in theory our military should be capable of fighting two wars at once. at least, thats the idea.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, 2 wars at once. Good times.
Originally posted by: no0b
charrison-- see my post, Do you think I put enough in. I was thinking about 2 or 3 more lines.
Originally posted by: Jzero
I currently support ongoing diplomatic talks with NK. Between Japan, China and Russia we have alot of room to correct the problem. AT the same time, I fully support the moving of B1s,B-52s and a carrier group over there while we are talking. These troops movement are happening right now. NK has been in violation of the no nuke treaty for a few months. There is a difference.
Arent these UN mandates? If so, why doesnt the UN take care of it isntead of the US having to clean up?
The UN has no "teeth." It has to rely on member nations to enforce its decisions, and being the most powerful, the US is often saddled with doing the dirty work.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Grey
I agree the more major conservatives can be a bit strong in their wording. But in the end of your post you call for solidarity even if the unpopular choice plays out. I only see conservatives making the same statement, the protestors are doing everything they can to split the nation.
They seem to be trying to convince people of their opinion. Which is similar to what conservative/pro-killing/pro-north korean nuclear warhead people seem to try.
So close to name calling on conservatives....but i guess you dont do that
Name calling? How about truth telling? Conservatives are typically for war which a big part of is killing. If we are sending all of our forces to deal with someone else's problem in Iraq, we are leaving North Korea to its nuclear warheads. So supporting moving our troops to Iraq means you might not have a problem with N. Korea. Just a little idiotic reasoning. Im thinking about running for office.
Diplomacy has failed in Iraq, no option other than war exists. I do think that if the UN stood together on Iraq, Iraq could be quickly disarmed in a non violent manner. Current the security council is not interested in doing this. Iraq has been in violation for over 12 years.
I currently support ongoing diplomatic talks with NK. Between Japan, China and Russia we have alot of room to correct the problem. AT the same time, I fully support the moving of B1s,B-52s and a carrier group over there while we are talking. These troops movement are happening right now. NK has been in violation of the no nuke treaty for a few months. There is a difference.
Arent these UN mandates? If so, why doesnt the UN take care of it isntead of the US having to clean up?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: NewSc2
Not everybody thinks liberals are unpatriotic, except when liberals complain about the government, like I see daily, I'd imagine that that is somewhat unpatriotic.
Protestors at my school consistently call the United States an axis of evil, corrupt, uncivilized, stupid, the big Satan, etc. How is that Patriotic? Move out if you don't like it.
If you disagree with the actions of the government it's your patriotic duty to lobby and protest to make your voice heard. It's one of the most fundamental ideas that America was founded upon. "Move out if you don't like it" is exactly what the British said before some colonists groups came here. It's one of the most unpatriotic things you can say.
I dont see it as unpatriotic. If someone is truely unhappy, they have the right the leave.
Running away from problems solves nothing. Didnt you learn that early in life?
Sometimes it is easier scrap what you have and start over, rather than try to fix what you have. This is judgement call every indivudual must make if they are truly unhappy with the state of our nation.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Jzero
I currently support ongoing diplomatic talks with NK. Between Japan, China and Russia we have alot of room to correct the problem. AT the same time, I fully support the moving of B1s,B-52s and a carrier group over there while we are talking. These troops movement are happening right now. NK has been in violation of the no nuke treaty for a few months. There is a difference.
Arent these UN mandates? If so, why doesnt the UN take care of it isntead of the US having to clean up?
The UN has no "teeth." It has to rely on member nations to enforce its decisions, and being the most powerful, the US is often saddled with doing the dirty work.
Then it is useless and should be disbanded.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Fixxors
"Why do conservatives think that their way is the only way?"
Because conservative people have ideals based on ignorance and hatred, which they can only support by thinkin in black and white. Right or wrong. Conservatives don't want to think. They want to have someone tell em its evil, or a sin, so they use what little sytem resources their brains can power to watch Jerry Springer.
Matter of fact, they consider thinking "hypocracy". Abortion will always be a grey area for the liberal mind. So will the death penalty, gun control, the envonment, seperation of chuch and state and so on. A liberal will carry the burden of thinking, and rethinking, and reconsidering, even if the answer may never come. And liberals trust in each other, no matter how different. They don't fear other races, or cultures, or orientations, and thus they are open to peace instead of dominance. And the conservative walls that keep back our community will eventually be overcome. The liberal american dream of unity and equality may seem unattainable, but it's the struggle that is so important. Even now the conservatives today share many ideals of the liberals of yesterday. They are just a couple decades behind.
Conservatives are just people that have given up, and are stubbornly letting themselves be left behind because they are afraid of diversity and don't trust in mankind. They want "god" to set the rules. They want progress and change to be demonized and illegalized or censored. With our conservatives you are either for or against. Pro or con. That's why religion is such an important tool for them. But they are a dying breed and they realise it, and they are bitter. America will not let them forget the aftermath of our own hatred and ignorance. Racism has been proven immoral, as has sexism. America will not let it's gays or women or minoritys suffer anymore. Prohibition and censorship have only led to perversion and made our children victims.
They think their way is the only way, because they are not free to invest any real thought. In the end what is right will prevail. Sadly there are a lot of people being hurt in our country even today as we wait for conservatives to catch up.
That's pretty ignorant thinking there. I am so pro-abortion, I think everyone should have one. j/k But I believe abortion should be the right of the person and government shouldn't get involve. Does that make me a liberal, hell no, it doesn't. And Jerry springer, I believe all the people on that show have to be liberal. Trailer-trash is usually democrats.
KK
I hope you are joking. I see more TT in my area that are conservatives than liberals.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow, now you're just resulting to ad-hominem attacks on me. "blindly following" connotes some sort of unthinking lemming. "opinions of their own" implies that the people you're ranting about (conservatives from the title though you're trying to change that around) don't have opinions of their own, that their opinions must be handed down by some sort of overlord or something. the lemming analogy works quite well here still.
Yes, many pro-war activists or whatever you want to call them are blindly following the government's wants. Not all. I never once said all conservatives are blindly following.
So far you have painted conservatives with a pretty wide brush. Explain to me how in your mind,one can be for an iraqi liberation without being non-thinking lemming lead by the goverment.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: NewSc2
Not everybody thinks liberals are unpatriotic, except when liberals complain about the government, like I see daily, I'd imagine that that is somewhat unpatriotic.
Protestors at my school consistently call the United States an axis of evil, corrupt, uncivilized, stupid, the big Satan, etc. How is that Patriotic? Move out if you don't like it.
If you disagree with the actions of the government it's your patriotic duty to lobby and protest to make your voice heard. It's one of the most fundamental ideas that America was founded upon. "Move out if you don't like it" is exactly what the British said before some colonists groups came here. It's one of the most unpatriotic things you can say.
I dont see it as unpatriotic. If someone is truely unhappy, they have the right the leave.
Running away from problems solves nothing. Didnt you learn that early in life?
Sometimes it is easier scrap what you have and start over, rather than try to fix what you have. This is judgement call every indivudual must make if they are truly unhappy with the state of our nation.
So the easiest solution is always the best?
Originally posted by: charrison
Which UN mandates do you refer to? The ones concerning NK or Iraq?
And when will you realize the UN is an inpotent organization when it comes to dealing with real problems.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow, now you're just resulting to ad-hominem attacks on me. "blindly following" connotes some sort of unthinking lemming. "opinions of their own" implies that the people you're ranting about (conservatives from the title though you're trying to change that around) don't have opinions of their own, that their opinions must be handed down by some sort of overlord or something. the lemming analogy works quite well here still.
Yes, many pro-war activists or whatever you want to call them are blindly following the government's wants. Not all. I never once said all conservatives are blindly following.
So far you have painted conservatives with a pretty wide brush. Explain to me how in your mind,one can be for an iraqi liberation without being non-thinking lemming lead by the goverment.
Most of the pro-war people I have talked to that do not demand my immediate departure from the country seem to understand the facts and have come to the conclusion that war is the only way. The people that do demand that I go to a country that I have no interrest in ever visitting let alone fleeing to seem to be ignorant on a great many things. Like how this country was started because some of us did not agree with what the government was doing.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
in theory our military should be capable of fighting two wars at once. at least, thats the idea.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, 2 wars at once. Good times.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ElFenix
in theory our military should be capable of fighting two wars at once. at least, thats the idea.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, 2 wars at once. Good times.
Good. We can do the UN's dirty work. Then hopefully the UN disbands and we stop worrying about what idiots across the globe are doing and worry about what is happening in our own country. Or maybe even worry about the #1 thread instead of maybe #2 and #3.
Originally posted by: charrison
I have not demanded you leave either.