Why do liberals hate America?

[RightIsWrong]

On another forum that I sometimes frequent (a rabid right-wing place not unlike Freeperville), I saw this reply to a YALHA (Yet Another Liberals Hate America) post and thought that it was a pretty good comeback to the "Liberals hate America" and the just-as-frequently-used "Liberalism is akin to terrorism" mularky:

It's still a pretty lame rhetorical device. Comparing "liberals" to "the terrorists" is pretty stoopid. It just another aspect of accusing them of being "anti-American."

Liberals don't believe in using violence to push their agenda, conservatives -- and terrorists -- do.

Liberals don't believe that their religion is more important than other people's. Conservatives -- and Islamic terrorists -- do.

Liberals believe that justice is justice and everyone deserves certain basic human rights. Conservatives -- and terrorists -- think that some people are not human enough to be treated with dignity.

Liberals believe in the rule of law. Neo-conservatives -- and terrorists -- believe that ideology can place you above the law.

I'd like to hear from the resident "Liberals are evil" crowd about whether or not they think that these are as accurate of stereotypes of conservatives as the ones that they continue to spew about liberals.

 

[K1052]

That reply is as stupid as what it is meant to respond to.

Conservatives:"You Liberals hate America"
Liberals: "No, you Conservatives hate America more."
Conservatives: "No, you Liberals hate America the most"
Liberals: *insert name calling or random political insult relating to Nazi Germany*
Conservatives: *insert more namecalling and throw down the Communist card*
(this usually goes on for a several dozen posts or until everyone loses interest)

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: K1052
That reply is as stupid as what it is meant to respond to.

Conservatives:"You Liberals hate America"
Liberals: "No, you Conservatives hate America more."
Conservatives: "No, you Liberals hate America the most"
Liberals: *insert name calling or random political insult relating to Nazi Germany*
Conservatives: *insert more namecalling and throw down the Communist card*
(this usually goes on for a several dozen posts or until everyone loses interest)

QFT. This is exactly why I don't bother with those kinds of forums. Arguments like that accomplish nothing. They just polarize people a little more.

 

[phantom309]

woah - double post - how'd that happen?

 

[techs]

It's not a question of who hates America more.
It's a question of who wants to change America more.
The traditional Democrats and Conservatives are pretty close in that they want to make about the same amount of changes just in different directions.
The neo-cons want drastic change and are even willing to bankrupt the country to achieve their aims.
So if you equate as I do 'hating' America by your dissatisfaction with America as it is then the neo-cons 'hate' America as much as the Communists do.

 

[lozina]

vote a liberal in and we get higher taxes, bogus gun control laws, more bloated social programs, more gov't regulations

vote a neo-con in and we get bigger gov't, more police state, bogus wars, secrecy, corporate favortism

in the end we always lose

 

[Moonbeam]

There are no liberals in government. Everything is right winged garbage.

 

[DealMonkey]

That's why there needs to be a *third* party that takes the best of both Dems and Repubs and drops all of the crap. I'd sketch out the basic platform if I had more time to do so this morning.

 

[zendari]

What are "Basic human rights"?

 

[alchemize]

DM: It'd be a pretty short list

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
That's why there needs to be a *third* party that takes the best of both Dems and Repubs and drops all of the crap. I'd sketch out the basic platform if I had more time to do so this morning.

Do it and I am pretty sure that I will sign up. Just about anything that you put together would be better than that of the two options currently on the table.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: zendari
What are "Basic human rights"?

1st deflection post in this thread. Took longer than I thought

Basic human rights is the right for every living human being to be treated equally regardless of race, gender, nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc.

Can we all now get back on topic?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: zendari
What are "Basic human rights"?

Personally I am with Tommy on this one:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

[Passions]

Liberals are terrorists sympathizers. I wouldn't go as far as calling them terrorists though. But, like terrorists, they actually love and feed off negative press. IED blowing up young marines, and the liberals get jolly off it.

Such a sad world we live in. Washington must be rolling in his grave.

 

[johnnobts]

that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


of course many liberals take offense to the whole "creator" bit in that statement, don't they?

actually, i'd go with john locke, that we should have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property... property is somehting libs have problems with too (and life for unborns of course... )

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
What are "Basic human rights"?

Personally I am with Tommy on this one:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Conservatives fully believe in the above.

Liberals have no problems trading away my pursuit of Happiness for their socialist programs.

 

[LLCOOLJ]

Originally posted by: zendari

Liberals have no problems trading away my pursuit of Happiness for their socialist programs.

Did they block your access to gay porn so impovershed children could get medical care?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ahhh hahahaha, it's so nice to see the neo-cons goosestep in time with each other. As a liberal, a tree-hugging liberal, I am for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, without governmental interference into my private life. I also believe in caring for those less fortunate, which falls under the whole pursuit of happiness, and maybe under life, and before you break out your pro-life off tune drum, relax, i am not pro-abortion, I just feel that an individuals right to choose is just that, their right, and no matter how many times you shove your god into the discussion, it's still their right, and they may not even believe in your god, which is also their right, under the whole freedom of expression and religion thingy.
So go on, flame me, I really don't care, you're at best a one trick pony that has his show closing very soon.
Enjoy firebombing the planned parenthood clinics, you're so pro-life.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals hate America because they love America.

Conservatives love America because they hate America.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


of course many liberals take offense to the whole "creator" bit in that statement, don't they?

actually, i'd go with john locke, that we should have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property... property is somehting libs have problems with too (and life for unborns of course... )

Just for the sake of argument: Can you prove God exists? Is God something tangible or simply a matter of belief?

For clarification:
be·lief
1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

 

[johnnobts]

Just for the sake of argument: Can you prove God exists? Is God something tangible or simply a matter of belief?
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you just illustrated my point.

belief in God i a properly basic belief. won't say anymore on the subject in this thread, my purpose wasn't to "prove" God's existence, but to prove liberals' problems with the notion that we are "endowed by our Creator with rights..."

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Liberals hate America because they love America.

Conservatives love America because they hate America.

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that doesn't even mean anything.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: johnnobts
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


of course many liberals take offense to the whole "creator" bit in that statement, don't they?

actually, i'd go with john locke, that we should have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property... property is somehting libs have problems with too (and life for unborns of course... )

Just for the sake of argument: Can you prove God exists? Is God something tangible or simply a matter of belief?

For clarification:
be·lief
1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

My dear Sir, those rights do not exist as a matter of belief but because they are self evident, just as stated. Do you argue that you are not entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness within the limits that you have this freedom up to the point where you begin to infringe of the freedom of others to do the same?

I should think your faith in this truth is self evident to you, no?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
What are "Basic human rights"?

Personally I am with Tommy on this one:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Conservatives fully believe in the above.

Liberals have no problems trading away my pursuit of Happiness for their socialist programs.

Conservatives have no problems with their version of the pursuit of Happiness, pursuit of the dollar at the expense of Life & Liberty.

Fixed for you

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
belief in God i a properly basic belief. won't say anymore on the subject in this thread, my purpose wasn't to "prove" God's existence, but to prove liberals' problems with the notion that we are "endowed by our Creator with rights..."

But which Creator?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
What are "Basic human rights"?

Personally I am with Tommy on this one:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Conservatives fully believe in the above.

Liberals have no problems trading away my pursuit of Happiness for their socialist programs.

Conservatives have no problems with their version of the pursuit of Happiness, pursuit of the dollar at the expense of Life & Liberty.

Fixed for you

Which conservatives pursue happiness at the expense of their life and liberty?