Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow...so many logical fallacies, so little time.

Why don't you try

You're not worth the effort. You've proven that in your posts.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Why the hell would anyone want the US to become more like European countries, who are generally dying and waning powers? There are certainly some aspects of European society and life that may be worth emulating, but why would you take the whole and accept a tremendous downgrade?

as opposed to growing powers like china india, pakistan, iran, etc, i would more rather be on the downswing, if you can really call it that.

I'm not sure how Pakistan and Iran are exactly emerging and great growing powers. But then you're also comparing European countries to third world countries in some sort of attempt to justify emulating waning European countries. No thanks. How about emulating none of them in the fullest extent?

You don't own any share of an indian investment fund, right? Otherwise you would know in what terms India is emerging... I can assure you that I send a virtual kiss to India every time I open my financial markets charting software...

Pakistan is also doing pretty good in terms of financial revenues on the markets, and Iran is emerging in geopolitical terms.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Why the hell would anyone want the US to become more like European countries, who are generally dying and waning powers? There are certainly some aspects of European society and life that may be worth emulating, but why would you take the whole and accept a tremendous downgrade?

as opposed to growing powers like china india, pakistan, iran, etc, i would more rather be on the downswing, if you can really call it that.

I'm not sure how Pakistan and Iran are exactly emerging and great growing powers. But then you're also comparing European countries to third world countries in some sort of attempt to justify emulating waning European countries. No thanks. How about emulating none of them in the fullest extent?

You don't own any share of an indian investment fund, right? Otherwise you would know in what terms India is emerging... I can assure you that I send a virtual kiss to India every time I open my financial markets charting software...

Pakistan is also doing pretty good in terms of financial revenues on the markets, and Iran is emerging in geopolitical terms.

I didn't mention India, so I'm not sure why you're even bringing it up. However, it is certainly growing in economic power, but certainly still has severe problems. I wouldn't want to emulate that to the fullest extent either.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow...so many logical fallacies, so little time.

Why don't you try

You're not worth the effort. You've proven that in your posts.

And yet you've responded twice

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Why the hell would anyone want the US to become more like European countries, who are generally dying and waning powers? There are certainly some aspects of European society and life that may be worth emulating, but why would you take the whole and accept a tremendous downgrade?

as opposed to growing powers like china india, pakistan, iran, etc, i would more rather be on the downswing, if you can really call it that.

I'm not sure how Pakistan and Iran are exactly emerging and great growing powers. But then you're also comparing European countries to third world countries in some sort of attempt to justify emulating waning European countries. No thanks. How about emulating none of them in the fullest extent?

You don't own any share of an indian investment fund, right? Otherwise you would know in what terms India is emerging... I can assure you that I send a virtual kiss to India every time I open my financial markets charting software...

Pakistan is also doing pretty good in terms of financial revenues on the markets, and Iran is emerging in geopolitical terms.

I didn't mention India, so I'm not sure why you're even bringing it up. However, it is certainly growing in economic power, but certainly still has severe problems. I wouldn't want to emulate that either.

because Indian and Pakistani markets are deeply linked and performances are somewhat comparable, even if the India case is much more known because you have more investments funds open to the public being involved on the indian markets.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

Bullsh!t

Liberals want America to be America.

Another line of BS by the Radical Righties.

Right... :roll:

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, now stick 'em up and give me all your money!!

Isn't that the way you want it, Dave? To make it a capital crime to earn one penny above the mythical poverty line?


New-age American Socialists ("liberals" is really the wrong term btw, as pointed out by another poster) are hell-bent on the destruction of American freedoms. Even though we've never acheived the ideals set forth in the Bill of Rights (but have been steadily working towards that ideal), they condemn it all, call it a failure, and want the return of the king to protect them (except this time the king is called "the state").
Freedom, they have realized, is not "safe." Quite the contrary, freedom is truly offensive and dangerous, and living free requires one to trust and tolerate one's neighbor, and that above all they cannot accept ("What if he says something that isn't politically correct?").
So if it seems like they want to America to be like Europe, it's because Europe has never been free, nor has it ever aspired to be free. Like cows, the Europeans munch their cud happily in the bonds of slavery, contentedly enjoying the taste.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Tango
because Indian and Pakistani markets are deeply linked and performances are somewhat comparable, even if the India case is much more known because you have more investments funds open to the public being involved on the indian markets.

Again, that is not really related to a country that I would want to emulate at this stage, especially since these are developing third world countries. It doesn't make much sense to want to fully emulate them at this point.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Tango
because Indian and Pakistani markets are deeply linked and performances are somewhat comparable, even if the India case is much more known because you have more investments funds open to the public being involved on the indian markets.

Again, that is not really related to a country that I would want to emulate at this stage, especially since these are developing third world countries. It doesn't make much sense to want to fully emulate them at this point.

Of course not, also because it's impossible. But the thread it's about US vs. Euro policies. I don't want to enter again in this debate. It's been discussed many many times, and usually develops into a patriotic ranting and name calling because of lack of control, culture and experience among (both sides) of the people discussing.

I am an european living half of the year in New York. I know and understand both systems, and like some parts of both. They are not comparable. And that's it.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

Bullsh!t

Liberals want America to be America.

Another line of BS by the Radical Righties.

Right... :roll:

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, now stick 'em up and give me all your money!!

Isn't that the way you want it, Dave? To make it a capital crime to earn one penny above the mythical poverty line?


New-age American Socialists ("liberals" is really the wrong term btw, as pointed out by another poster) are hell-bent on the destruction of American freedoms. Even though we've never acheived the ideals set forth in the Bill of Rights (but have been steadily working towards that ideal), they condemn it all, call it a failure, and want the return of the king to protect them (except this time the king is called "the state").
Freedom, they have realized, is not "safe." Quite the contrary, freedom is truly offensive and dangerous, and living free requires one to trust and tolerate one's neighbor, and that above all they cannot accept ("What if he says something that isn't politically correct?").
So if it seems like they want to America to be like Europe, it's because Europe has never been free, nor has it ever aspired to be free. Like cows, the Europeans munch their cud happily in the bonds of slavery, contentedly enjoying the taste.

Nice

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

Bullsh!t

Liberals want America to be America.

Another line of BS by the Radical Righties.

Right... :roll:

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, now stick 'em up and give me all your money!!

Isn't that the way you want it, Dave? To make it a capital crime to earn one penny above the mythical poverty line?


New-age American Socialists ("liberals" is really the wrong term btw, as pointed out by another poster) are hell-bent on the destruction of American freedoms. Even though we've never acheived the ideals set forth in the Bill of Rights (but have been steadily working towards that ideal), they condemn it all, call it a failure, and want the return of the king to protect them (except this time the king is called "the state").
Freedom, they have realized, is not "safe." Quite the contrary, freedom is truly offensive and dangerous, and living free requires one to trust and tolerate one's neighbor, and that above all they cannot accept ("What if he says something that isn't politically correct?").
So if it seems like they want to America to be like Europe, it's because Europe has never been free, nor has it ever aspired to be free. Like cows, the Europeans munch their cud happily in the bonds of slavery, contentedly enjoying the taste.

Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

 

[maluckey]

I want the breathtakingly extravagant taxation, the rampant unemployment, and a union that makes it impossible to fire anyone. Yup!! Guve the EU Baby!!

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: maluckey
I want the breathtakingly extravagant taxation, the rampant unemployment, and a union that makes it impossible to fire anyone. Yup!! Guve the EU Baby!!

What rampant unemployment? The union stopped having that buisness, it's now mainly a protection against cheap labor.
But some of us enjoy paying those taxes. Besides, if something is pissing that many normal people off, it can only be good.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

So you admittedly baited him and are now chiding him for responding in kind?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

So you admittedly baited him and are now chiding him for responding in kind?

Compassionate conservatism in action.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

So you admittedly baited him and are now chiding him for responding in kind?

Compassionate conservatism in action.

inflammatory != baited
Vic != conservative

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

So you admittedly baited him and are now chiding him for responding in kind?

Compassionate conservatism in action.

inflammatory != baited
Vic != conservative

I see that you have just been a victim of the thought where if you are opposed to any one idea in any form, then you are instantly labelled as the political opposite. This is a common affliction on this forum.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

It wasn't intended to be an argument, it was a statement of fact.

How's your queen, btw?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

It wasn't intended to be an argument, it was a statement of fact.

How's your queen, btw?

:laugh: It's so sad that 'queens' and 'kings' exist to this day.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

Bullsh!t

Liberals want America to be America.

Another line of BS by the Radical Righties.

Right... :roll:

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, now stick 'em up and give me all your money!!

Isn't that the way you want it, Dave? To make it a capital crime to earn one penny above the mythical poverty line?

Mythical eh???

Try living on $10 hr or less and let's see how mythical you say it is while CEO's make $30,000 hr tax free. <-------- That absolutely should be a capital crime.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

It wasn't intended to be an argument, it was a statement of fact.

How's your queen, btw?

:laugh: It's so sad that 'queens' and 'kings' exist to this day.

I dunno, she doesn't do anything except travel and smoke cigarettes, don't care much about her. She's mainly a figure of denmark, and if you're australian you definently know where denmark lies and what our queen is called because some girl frmo australia married the danish crown-prince. She's the face to the world, allthough i don't know how good the royal family is doing it. I can't tell you how much they earn us from travelling around the world, but the gain us alot of goodwill. They cost us about 9$ million every year.
She's there to keep danish conservatives happy (old people and the more nationalistic all care about her, those are the conservatives). I wouldn't mind if whe went.
What's sad is that poverty still exists in america they way it does today.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tango
Hum... you dropped all the Economics and Political Sciences courses after the fist few weeks, didn't you? Wait. The History and Philosophy courses too.

While I recognize that my post was inflammatory (which was by design btw), you are free to make actual reasoned arguments against it instead of just weak simple-minded retorts. The populist movement stopped being progressive some decades ago.

I would. But I usually get paid for this kind of job. And the reason is it's such an hard job. That's why I previously posted I don't want to get into this labirinthic analysis of two different systems. On an internet forum it will eventually become a rant, name calling, discussion.

The USA and Europe are different in so many technical and philosophical ways that you need a 500 pages book to just start understanding a little bit of it:

The statistics are compiled using different systems ----> hard data comparison

History plays such a huge part in many aspects -------------> intangible aspects we cannot measure, wars, famine, the westfalia peace, napoleon, the religion wars, the arab invasions all the way down to WWII shaped Europe as we know it now, and each and every of these things STILL play a role in the EU decisions

Different Philosophical approaches -------------> again, intangible consuming, saving and investing schemes that people prefer due to non-quantitative reasons, Weber, Rousseau, Locke are still felt every day on the european financial markets, in the labor unions meetings, in the consumers orientation...

Differences in the demografics -----------------> are these two areas even comparable?

Political aspects ----------------------------------> USA a single country, the EU is not! This should alone stop putting a system against the other

Geopolitical factors ------------------------------> These alone requires more than an entire research career to be quite metabolized

Geographical factors, access to resources ----> definitely a part of the game here

Culture--------------------------------------------> one language Vs. many, milleniums of history Vs. less than four centuries, centuries of philosophy, literature to cope with Vs. a nation founded by a restrict group of homogeneous people that LATER accepted immigrants from all over the world

Law------------------------------------------------> Common Law Vs. Civil Law, the influence of roman law system heritage, the franco-german law philosophy etc etc

Colonialism and Postcolonialism ----------------> and the way it affected the current EU countries

Globalization---------------------------------------> completely different perspectives due to geographical position and other issues

Trade Laws, different monetary system, different labor laws, different banking system, differences in the role of immigration, different military and defense.....

The list should go on for pages... and this is just the index:

In few words: different systems, each has its own problems and virtues, both have a reason why they emerged and consolidate in their particular region of the world.

Americans will keep their system, Europeans will keep their system. A little convergence between the two COULD improve both ways of living. But again it's hard to tell, and much harder to DO.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

It wasn't intended to be an argument, it was a statement of fact.

How's your queen, btw?

:laugh: It's so sad that 'queens' and 'kings' exist to this day.

I dunno, she doesn't do anything except travel and smoke cigarettes, don't care much about her. She's mainly a figure of denmark, and if you're australian you definently know where denmark lies and what our queen is called because some girl frmo australia married the danish crown-prince. She's the face to the world, allthough i don't know how good the royal family is doing it. I can't tell you how much they earn us from travelling around the world, but the gain us alot of goodwill. They cost us about 9$ million every year.
She's there to keep danish conservatives happy (old people and the more nationalistic all care about her, those are the conservatives). I wouldn't mind if whe went.
What's sad is that poverty still exists in america they way it does today.

The poverty in Europe is pretty sad, too. However, the belief in a queen and king is ridiculous, IMO. It's just more of the sheep-like mentality of many Europeans.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Lol, quote me what you posted and name me _one_ argument!

It wasn't intended to be an argument, it was a statement of fact.

How's your queen, btw?

:laugh: It's so sad that 'queens' and 'kings' exist to this day.

I dunno, she doesn't do anything except travel and smoke cigarettes, don't care much about her. She's mainly a figure of denmark, and if you're australian you definently know where denmark lies and what our queen is called because some girl frmo australia married the danish crown-prince. She's the face to the world, allthough i don't know how good the royal family is doing it. I can't tell you how much they earn us from travelling around the world, but the gain us alot of goodwill. They cost us about 9$ million every year.
She's there to keep danish conservatives happy (old people and the more nationalistic all care about her, those are the conservatives). I wouldn't mind if whe went.
What's sad is that poverty still exists in america they way it does today.

The poverty in Europe is pretty sad, too. However, the belief in a queen and king is ridiculous, IMO. It's just more of the sheep-like mentality of many Europeans.

I'm not even gonna comment on poverty in europe as it's just stupid
And it's not about believing in the royality, it's just a gathering point of some kind. Much like identifying with that once danes were vikings and the dutch windmills. And they don't have any power at all.