Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

[Strk]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I've answered the question at least twice. I just haven't given the answer you want to see.

No you haven't. All you have done is said things that "liberals" generally do to protect the environment. You have failed to state why it is a liberal issue.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL, what kind of idiots protest ham?:laugh:

Vegans.

<shrug>


To each their own, I suppose. Hardly something for which to be arrested.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Another good question is:

Why do the Republicans want America to look like an Impoverished Third World South America?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1695494&enterthread=y

 

[TapTap]

Hmmmm...
are they wanting to smell like Europe too?

Yawn............................

 

[chcarnage]

It's easier to claim to be white if you paint the background black. In my opinion you let yourself guide a bit too much by your personal experiences. I fail to see how a small military and strong environmental laws lead to Germany's present problem?

I disagree with Mr. Ash's opinion that another election would be the best thing for Germany. First I think the possibility that the parties will form a viable coalition exists. Let's see how productive the coalition talks were 4 weeks from now. Second, there's absolutely no guarantee that the Germans would vote significantly different than now. Why should they? Third, I think it is the moral commitment of the parties to form a coalition. Ok the last one is a subjective reason but I think the first ones are good.

The comparision with India reminds in my eyes is just a juicy journalism 101 introduction. Germany is still the bigger economy than India and not knowing the next government for some weeks isn't Indian conditions. (The old government is elected until the end of October).

I have a slightly more optimistic view on the option of a SPD-CDU/CSU coalition. The collaboration in the sixties was short but somewhat productive according to opinions on German forums... Ash is however right when he points out the economic ties between Germany and the other EU states.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The comparision with India reminds in my eyes is just a juicy journalism 101 introduction. Germany is still the bigger economy than India and not knowing the next government for some weeks isn't Indian conditions. (The old government is elected until the end of October).

So what are 'Indian conditions' in your opinion?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Not often you see a lifer trolling, good show

Yeah, not everyone can become so proficient as trolling in less than a month and ~200 posts. Good show, indeed.

 

[CanOWorms]

Many American liberals are also supporting European far-right ideals. We are facing a Europeanization of American liberals.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, not everyone can become so proficient as trolling in less than a month and ~200 posts. Good show, indeed.

:thumbsup:

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Liberals want to adopt European environmental regulations: CHECK
Liberals want a European-like National Healthcare System: CHECK
Liberals want European-like cradle-to-grave welfare: CHECK
Liberals want to tax the hell out of the rich like Europeans: CHECK
Liberals want to tax the hell out of business like Europeans: CHECK
Liberals want to restrict the exporting of jobs like Europe: CHECK
Liberals want to reduce the size of the military to European-like proportions: CHECK

Hardly baseless generalizations. Seems pretty accurate to me. American liberals want to turn the US into a social(ist) democracy much like several European nations.

I believe that many liberals think that 'world' government is an admirable goal.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Please refute any of this:

Liberals want to adopt European environmental regulations: CHECK

List for me European environmental regulations and Dems/Greens/etc. that support legislation mirroring same.

Liberals want a European-like National Healthcare System: CHECK

We're not far from that anyway. Why not focus on the Medicare/Medicaid fraud and free up billions of dollars? Oh, and stopping that $700 billion gift for the drug industry will help, too.

Liberals want European-like cradle-to-grave welfare: CHECK

Links to support this claim? I don't even think the Clintons ever supported that. Welfare is a graduated system as I understand it. Could probably still use a bit more tweaking, though.

Liberals want to tax the hell out of the rich like Europeans: CHECK

Define "the hell out of"

Liberals want to tax the hell out of business like Europeans: CHECK

" " "

Liberals want to restrict the exporting of jobs like Europe: CHECK

Yeah...outsourcing has done wonders for the American economy. :roll:

Liberals want to reduce the size of the military to European-like proportions: CHECK

I wasn't aware there was a European military.

Another Brave Sir Robin amongst us?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Why do Liberals want America to be like Europe?

Bullsh!t

Liberals want America to be America.

Another line of BS by the Radical Righties.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, not everyone can become so proficient as trolling in less than a month and ~200 posts. Good show, indeed.

:thumbsup:

I use you two as a normal-o-mometer; if you opopose it, it's pretty normal. Good to know I'm right on track - thanks

 

[imported_Tango]

I am the only one completely fed up with the uncorrect use of the word "Liberal"?
Seriously, Theories of Political Economy IS being taught in the USA too. I really cannot understand how such a misunderstanding can ossify in the common mediatic talk.

If you don't have the ability to use the right words, how can one pretend to construct a cogent reasoning?

Liberals ARE NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN, and WILL NEVER BE something associated with the american democratic party, or the left wing, or the european system. Catch some Keynes readings, then we will discuss the issue.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Tango
I am the only one completely fed up with the uncorrect use of the word "Liberal"?
Seriously, Theories of Political Economy IS being taught in the USA too. I really cannot understand how such a misunderstanding can ossify in the common mediatic talk.

If you don't have the ability to use the right words, how can one pretend to construct a cogent reasoning?

Liberals ARE NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN, and WILL NEVER BE something associated with the american democratic party, or the left wing, or the european system. Catch some Keynes readings, then we will discuss the issue.

Wrong. The word 'liberal' with a lower case 'L' is 'something associated with the american democratic party, or the left wing, or the european system.' Ask Al Franken, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, etc. and they will tell you they're a 'liberal.' Do you not live in the US?

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

The comparision with India reminds in my eyes is just a juicy journalism 101 introduction. Germany is still the bigger economy than India and not knowing the next government for some weeks isn't Indian conditions. (The old government is elected until the end of October).

So what are 'Indian conditions' in your opinion?

After last year's election Sonia Gandhi surprisingly refuted to become prime minister. The uncertainity ended after 11 days though, when Manmohan Singh inaugurated. In Germany the voters knew which candidate would come with which party. It's doubtful that two wannabees chancelors are better than none but the fact remains that the voters caused this impasse.

In Germany, it's four days and counting after election sunday. Technically the vote isn't even over because the city of Dresden moved their election date to October 2 after the death of a candidate.

But it doesn't really matter because Ash just wanted to equal the "chaotic" situation in Germany with a random exotic country, in my opinion.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Tango
I am the only one completely fed up with the uncorrect use of the word "Liberal"?
Seriously, Theories of Political Economy IS being taught in the USA too. I really cannot understand how such a misunderstanding can ossify in the common mediatic talk.

If you don't have the ability to use the right words, how can one pretend to construct a cogent reasoning?

Liberals ARE NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN, and WILL NEVER BE something associated with the american democratic party, or the left wing, or the european system. Catch some Keynes readings, then we will discuss the issue.

Wrong. The word 'liberal' with a lower case 'L' is 'something associated with the american democratic party, or the left wing, or the european system.' Ask Al Franken, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, etc. and they will tell you they're a 'liberal.' Do you not live in the US?

I do live in New York, but I'm originally european. Still, political concepts are not case sensitive... I assure you.

I know it is used in this way in the USA, but it's just a mistake. That's why I referred to this as an ossification: even people in politics must reiterate the mistake to reach the people through the media.

 

[Polish3d]

I'm sick of the liberals on this board hiding behind "oh well not ALL liberals think that way and you should be ashamed for saying so!"


There are some generally accepted principles that enough liberals support that they can be discussed in the way the OP is doing.

I've seen a ton of threads on here challenging ideas like the OP is and all the liberal types say in response is "oh well not all are like that."

A bunch of no responsibility taking mofos

Better to say something like either:


A: Yes, a great many liberals do fit this profile and I disagree, here's why

or

B: Yes, a great many liberals do fit this profile and I am defending their ideas, here's why




I've been to a number of political message boards and this is the only one where the left-leaning seem to just say " Oh well not all are this way so your point is invalid."

It's like saying "Oh well not all Germans are Nazis so the Nazi movement isn't significant."

A bunch of bullsh}T

 

[conjur]

Wow...so many logical fallacies, so little time.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RBachman
Not often you see a lifer trolling, good show

Yeah, not everyone can become so proficient as trolling in less than a month and ~200 posts. Good show, indeed.

So you will agree that 3000 posts in 4 months is one very efficient troll? Or does that only apply if they aren't Bush fans?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RBachman
Not often you see a lifer trolling, good show

Yeah, not everyone can become so proficient as trolling in less than a month and ~200 posts. Good show, indeed.

So you will agree that 3000 posts in 4 months is one very efficient troll? Or does that only apply if they aren't Bush fans?

Of course all who don't like Bush are trolls. Really, what other argument do those poor souls have? Especially when they need to take the focus off an obvious troll post by one of their brethren...

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow...so many logical fallacies, so little time.

Why don't you try

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Strk
I'm not really going to argue the others, but why does being concerned about the environment have to be a liberal issue?

Because conservatives perceive liberals of helping the environment only at the expense of business, jobs, etc. If liberals simply attacked the issue differently, viewing big business as a friend instead of a foe, we might actually get somewhere.

Wouldn't most liberal environmentalists prefer to see mankind return to the Stone Age, or better yet, eliminate mankind completely, so as to save the environment? I think many extreme liberals would love to see man disappear so whales and the ozone could thrive.

you are delusional. Congratulations. I'd like to see you find 1 person who believed that.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Why the hell would anyone want the US to become more like European countries, who are generally dying and waning powers? There are certainly some aspects of European society and life that may be worth emulating, but why would you take the whole and accept a tremendous downgrade?

as opposed to growing powers like china india, pakistan, iran, etc, i would more rather be on the downswing, if you can really call it that.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Why the hell would anyone want the US to become more like European countries, who are generally dying and waning powers? There are certainly some aspects of European society and life that may be worth emulating, but why would you take the whole and accept a tremendous downgrade?

as opposed to growing powers like china india, pakistan, iran, etc, i would more rather be on the downswing, if you can really call it that.

I'm not sure how Pakistan and Iran are exactly emerging and great growing powers. But then you're also comparing European countries to third world countries in some sort of attempt to justify emulating waning European countries. No thanks. How about emulating none of them in the fullest extent?