Why do Muslims have such a hard-on against Jews?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Brilliant analysis with an incredible command of the language. You are quite the genius--LOL! Maybe the same Iman could wash your mouth out too--

Doubt it, i'm Jewish.

lol
are you serious?
damn, i MUST hate you then!

Yeah i am serious, what people like rextilleon doesn't get is that not everything can be painted in black and white generalizations.

I'll just go with my general ideas that all fundie nutjobs are just that, no matter which religion (or ideas for that matter) they profess to.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: theblooms
Matter of fact is, if you watch any length of Christian Evangelical stations, (of which I really don't) you will see them taking up offerings to help out Israel all the time. The Evangelical Christians in America are probably the Israeli's staunchist allies on EARTH!

Just as being aginst Israel doesn't make one against Jews, being for Israel doesn't make one pro-Jewish. Evangelical Christians are pro-Israel because the 20th century re-appearance of Israel is seen as a fulfillment of their eschatological prophecies, not because they're great supporters of Judaism.

AMEN!

Israel is politics, Jewish ethnicity is just ethnicity and Judaism is the religion.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
If you are so anti-Islamic, I suggest you stop contributing to the development of Muslim nations and stop buying gas.

If he resides in the US, then I believe much of his gas actually comes from his own country, Canada, and Mexico.

I believe that is factually incorrect. Saudi Arabia supplies the largest amount of oil by volume. Other contributors include Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and the USA's own reserve. Saudi Arabia supplies a tad bit over 16% of the USA's oil. 31% of imported oil comes from the Middle East.

Figures

Therefore, rextilleon should stop using gas altogether, since ~$0.31 of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations.

Your own link shows that Canada sends more oil to the US than does Saudi Arabia. Mexico does as well. When you add in the various processed oil products (i.e. all forms other than crude oil), Canada send WAY more than SA.

my bad, i didnt compute correctly. nonetheless, would you also suggest to rextilleon that he should stop using gas altogether, since a significant portion of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations?

Some gas stations do not use Middle Eastern oil at all. He can patronize those establishments.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
If you are so anti-Islamic, I suggest you stop contributing to the development of Muslim nations and stop buying gas.

If he resides in the US, then I believe much of his gas actually comes from his own country, Canada, and Mexico.

I believe that is factually incorrect. Saudi Arabia supplies the largest amount of oil by volume. Other contributors include Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and the USA's own reserve. Saudi Arabia supplies a tad bit over 16% of the USA's oil. 31% of imported oil comes from the Middle East.

Figures

Therefore, rextilleon should stop using gas altogether, since ~$0.31 of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations.

Your own link shows that Canada sends more oil to the US than does Saudi Arabia. Mexico does as well. When you add in the various processed oil products (i.e. all forms other than crude oil), Canada send WAY more than SA.

my bad, i didnt compute correctly. nonetheless, would you also suggest to rextilleon that he should stop using gas altogether, since a significant portion of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations?

Some gas stations do not use Middle Eastern oil at all. He can patronize those establishments.

but he doesnt drive so dont assume things
but i do. so please give me the list of the gas stations that use Middle Eastern Oil and I'll just buy my gas from them.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

but he doesnt drive so dont assume things
but i do. so please give me the list of the gas stations that use Middle Eastern Oil and I'll just buy my gas from them.

BP, Citgo, Sunoco (and possibly Sinclair, Phillips) purchased no oil from the Middle East in 2000.
Shell, Conoco, Amoco purchased small amounts.
Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, Marathon purchased large amounts.

The statistics change yearly, so you'd have to spend time to be up to date to know which company you want to patronize based on who they import their oil from.

 

[rextilleon]

Klizzer--come on, lets be honest about this--you claim to be Jewish but you are anti-Israel. Why not just say--I was born Jewish but I dont practice and therefore I am Jewish in name only.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Klizzer--come on, lets be honest about this--you claim to be Jewish but you are anti-Israel. Why not just say--I was born Jewish but I dont practice and therefore I am Jewish in name only.

No you nutcase, i am NOT anti-Israel, you don't have to be to realize that Israel is doing some things wrong.

I could call you anti-american for critizising your government and i would be just as right as you are.

I am Jewish by ethnicity, you do know what ethnicity is, don't you? I do not practice Judaism though.

Maybe i should just call myself a Semite, but then again, as most arabs are Semites too that wouldn't work as i am not Arabic.

Israel has a right to exist, IMO, but it does not have a right to build a wall infringing on land that is not theirs.

And Sharon is a war criminal, no doubt about that.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
If you are so anti-Islamic, I suggest you stop contributing to the development of Muslim nations and stop buying gas.

If he resides in the US, then I believe much of his gas actually comes from his own country, Canada, and Mexico.

I believe that is factually incorrect. Saudi Arabia supplies the largest amount of oil by volume. Other contributors include Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and the USA's own reserve. Saudi Arabia supplies a tad bit over 16% of the USA's oil. 31% of imported oil comes from the Middle East.

Figures

Therefore, rextilleon should stop using gas altogether, since ~$0.31 of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations.

Again read your own link and your own words. Much of the oil comes from the US itself, Canada, and Mexico.

Even if he were anti-Islam and most of the oil came from the Middle East, then that statemetn would not really make sense. If you're against the US, are you not supposed to use many modern electronics and medicines? The transistor was invented by Americans and its use basically spread freely by the US government. Don't use products or the inventions of those evil Americans! Therefore people like Hatim would not be on a computer right now.

 

[The Green Bean]

from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

 

[jjzelinski]

Venezuala, Russia too

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The statistics change yearly, so you'd have to spend time to be up to date to know which company you want to patronize based on who they import their oil from.

Doesn't matter: world price oil means the source of the actual gas in your car is irrelevent.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Who cares what your religion is?

Ehm, you were the one talking about the Imam, remember?

BTW, i am an ethnic Jew. It really isn't a religion to be an ethnic Jew.

You're an Ethnic jew?... what the hell does that mean?... what is your religion? Hell genetically speaking the Taliban are jews... but they're not. Don't claim to speak from a jewish perspective when you don't represent the jewish perspective.

-Max

 

[Doboji]

And Sharon is a war criminal, no doubt about that.

Care to substantiate this claim? Or do you just like blanket statements. Also do you consider Arafat, Barghouti, Rabin, Ashrawi, Begin, Abbas, etc etc etc war criminals as well?... How do you define a war criminal?

And when you say Israel has a right to exist... in what form?... as a Jewish state?...

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: hatim
from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

And here we have the classic proof of the ignorance present in the Muslim world....

Where the hell did you come up with this crap?... I bet we use the blood of muslim babies to make matza too?

-Max

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Who cares what your religion is?

Ehm, you were the one talking about the Imam, remember?

BTW, i am an ethnic Jew. It really isn't a religion to be an ethnic Jew.

You're an Ethnic jew?... what the hell does that mean?... what is your religion? Hell genetically speaking the Taliban are jews... but they're not. Don't claim to speak from a jewish perspective when you don't represent the jewish perspective.

-Max

It means that i have a Jewish heritage and that i have relatives living in Israel, not that i practice the religion.

It means that if i were to go to Israel i would automatically become a citizen, not because of my religion but because of my heritage.

If you are claiming genetics as grounds for ethnicity and heritage then you could call Sharon an Anti-Semite.

I claim to speak only for myself, if you have seen any part where i have claimed to be speaking for anyone at all besides myself i would be glad if you could quote it.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Who cares what your religion is?

Ehm, you were the one talking about the Imam, remember?

BTW, i am an ethnic Jew. It really isn't a religion to be an ethnic Jew.

You're an Ethnic jew?... what the hell does that mean?... what is your religion? Hell genetically speaking the Taliban are jews... but they're not. Don't claim to speak from a jewish perspective when you don't represent the jewish perspective.

-Max

It means that i have a Jewish heritage and that i have relatives living in Israel, not that i practice the religion.

It means that if i were to go to Israel i would automatically become a citizen, not because of my religion but because of my heritage.

If you are claiming genetics as grounds for ethnicity and heritage then you could call Sharon an Anti-Semite.

I claim to speak only for myself, if you have seen any part where i have claimed to be speaking for anyone at all besides myself i would be glad if you could quote it.

Well I'd be very hesitant to call you a jew... first off what religion DO you practice? Secondly if you were moving to Israel especially from the United States... it is extremely likely that you feel some sense of bond with the Jewish people, and are about to accept the Israeli citzenship making you pretty nationalistic as well. Which makes you far more "jewish" then simply being descended from jews.

But because of your background, I'm sure you know the complicated vagueries of identifying what a jew actually is.

-Max

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

And Sharon is a war criminal, no doubt about that.

Care to substantiate this claim? Or do you just like blanket statements. Also do you consider Arafat, Barghouti, Rabin, Ashrawi, Begin, Abbas, etc etc etc war criminals as well?... How do you define a war criminal?

And when you say Israel has a right to exist... in what form?... as a Jewish state?...

-Max

Yes, actually i can substantiate that claim, however you will have to wait a few hours, and that Arafat is a war criminal and an old fool is just as true.

Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, a Hindu state or whatever it wants, it is up to Israel, just like it is up to, say Norway, to decide for itself.

What it cannot do is build a wall on land that isn't theirs and force palestinians to leave their homes that are not within Israels borders.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Who cares what your religion is?

Ehm, you were the one talking about the Imam, remember?

BTW, i am an ethnic Jew. It really isn't a religion to be an ethnic Jew.

You're an Ethnic jew?... what the hell does that mean?... what is your religion? Hell genetically speaking the Taliban are jews... but they're not. Don't claim to speak from a jewish perspective when you don't represent the jewish perspective.

-Max

It means that i have a Jewish heritage and that i have relatives living in Israel, not that i practice the religion.

It means that if i were to go to Israel i would automatically become a citizen, not because of my religion but because of my heritage.

If you are claiming genetics as grounds for ethnicity and heritage then you could call Sharon an Anti-Semite.

I claim to speak only for myself, if you have seen any part where i have claimed to be speaking for anyone at all besides myself i would be glad if you could quote it.

Well I'd be very hesitant to call you a jew... first off what religion DO you practice? Secondly if you were moving to Israel especially from the United States... it is extremely likely that you feel some sense of bond with the Jewish people, and are about to accept the Israeli citzenship making you pretty nationalistic as well. Which makes you far more "jewish" then simply being descended from jews.

But because of your background, I'm sure you know the complicated vagueries of identifying what a jew actually is.

-Max

Honestly, i really don't care what you want to call me, i don't practice any religion at all but have beliefs in something that stems from upbringing.

And i don't live in the US, i live in Germany.

Yes i know it is difficult and i take no offence, but you have to realize that not all jews are likeminded either, some see to their heritage through religion, some see it as what is now, according to the laws created by man and those are the laws we have to adjust to.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: hatim
from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

From what i know that is a Muslim goal to convert everyone who isn't muslim or kill them.

That is one thing that i have been taught from you.

What a great spokesman for Islam you are.

Fortunantly i don't take my impressions of a religion from nutcases.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

And Sharon is a war criminal, no doubt about that.

Care to substantiate this claim? Or do you just like blanket statements. Also do you consider Arafat, Barghouti, Rabin, Ashrawi, Begin, Abbas, etc etc etc war criminals as well?... How do you define a war criminal?

And when you say Israel has a right to exist... in what form?... as a Jewish state?...

-Max

Yes, actually i can substantiate that claim, however you will have to wait a few hours, and that Arafat is a war criminal and an old fool is just as true.

Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, a Hindu state or whatever it wants, it is up to Israel, just like it is up to, say Norway, to decide for itself.

What it cannot do is build a wall on land that isn't theirs and force palestinians to leave their homes that are not within Israels borders.

While I think it would be better for Israel to build the wall within more acceptable borders, there is no denying the political reality of the Israeli democracy.... which means what you and I think is the right thing, isn't agreed upon by all Israelis, and in my mind the current wall is politically plausible, and is therefore the correct thing to do versus not building a wall at all.

Where you and I would REALLY disagree, is that I think Israel should not withdraw from either the Gaza or West Bank without a negotiated settlement with an empowered Palestinian "authority" (not the PA necessarily, but A PA). And this should be an uncompromiseable principle.

I think calling Sharon, or any persona involved in the conflict a "war criminal" is absolutely irrelevent at this point in time.

-Max

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: hatim
from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

From what i know that is a Muslim goal to convert everyone who isn't muslim or kill them.

That is one thing that i have been taught from you.

What a great spokesman for Islam you are.

Fortunantly i don't take my impressions of a religion from nutcases.

untrue...

I heard the jew thing from a jewish frend...happy?

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: hatim
from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

From what i know that is a Muslim goal to convert everyone who isn't muslim or kill them.

That is one thing that i have been taught from you.

What a great spokesman for Islam you are.

Fortunantly i don't take my impressions of a religion from nutcases.

untrue...

I heard the jew thing from a jewish frend...happy?

A jewish friend said that we are trying to take over the world?... Why is my bullsh!t meter bleeping so loudly?

-Max

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

And Sharon is a war criminal, no doubt about that.

Care to substantiate this claim? Or do you just like blanket statements. Also do you consider Arafat, Barghouti, Rabin, Ashrawi, Begin, Abbas, etc etc etc war criminals as well?... How do you define a war criminal?

And when you say Israel has a right to exist... in what form?... as a Jewish state?...

-Max

Yes, actually i can substantiate that claim, however you will have to wait a few hours, and that Arafat is a war criminal and an old fool is just as true.

Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, a Hindu state or whatever it wants, it is up to Israel, just like it is up to, say Norway, to decide for itself.

What it cannot do is build a wall on land that isn't theirs and force palestinians to leave their homes that are not within Israels borders.

While I think it would be better for Israel to build the wall within more acceptable borders, there is no denying the political reality of the Israeli democracy.... which means what you and I think is the right thing, isn't agreed upon by all Israelis, and in my mind the current wall is politically plausible, and is therefore the correct thing to do versus not building a wall at all.

Where you and I would REALLY disagree, is that I think Israel should not withdraw from either the Gaza or West Bank without a negotiated settlement with an empowered Palestinian "authority" (not the PA necessarily, but A PA). And this should be an uncompromiseable principle.

I think calling Sharon, or any persona involved in the conflict a "war criminal" is absolutely irrelevent at this point in time.

-Max

Where i live they tore down the wall because the children were smarter than their forefathers, it does nothing but increase tensions and violence at this point.

Israel is not following international law, it has nothing to do with the Palestinians.

Sharon stood by and even ordered several slaughters of innocent human beings, he is indeed a war criminal and should be tried as one.

The settlements are not legal, not by international law, to ignore international law ensures that we will not have international support, this is just stupid IMO.

I do see where you are coming from, and it is good that we can have this discussion in a respectful manner.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: hatim
from what I head its Jews' goal to conquer the world.

From what i know that is a Muslim goal to convert everyone who isn't muslim or kill them.

That is one thing that i have been taught from you.

What a great spokesman for Islam you are.

Fortunantly i don't take my impressions of a religion from nutcases.

untrue...

I heard the jew thing from a jewish frend...happy?

You said yourself that everyone must convert or die.

And your jewish friend? I call Shens on that, it would be impossible for you to have a friend who is a jew.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
If you are so anti-Islamic, I suggest you stop contributing to the development of Muslim nations and stop buying gas.

If he resides in the US, then I believe much of his gas actually comes from his own country, Canada, and Mexico.

I believe that is factually incorrect. Saudi Arabia supplies the largest amount of oil by volume. Other contributors include Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and the USA's own reserve. Saudi Arabia supplies a tad bit over 16% of the USA's oil. 31% of imported oil comes from the Middle East.

Figures

Therefore, rextilleon should stop using gas altogether, since ~$0.31 of each dollar he spends on gas goes to the development of Muslim nations.

Again read your own link and your own words. Much of the oil comes from the US itself, Canada, and Mexico.

Even if he were anti-Islam and most of the oil came from the Middle East, then that statemetn would not really make sense. If you're against the US, are you not supposed to use many modern electronics and medicines? The transistor was invented by Americans and its use basically spread freely by the US government. Don't use products or the inventions of those evil Americans! Therefore people like Hatim would not be on a computer right now.

Please read my subsequest post. Someone else already pointed out my error and I accepted. Yet another lesson for you to read properly When will you learn?

The statement does make sense. I am not anti-American or anti-anyone, so I have no problem using any of their products.