Why do Muslims have such a hard-on against Jews?

[Sultan]

I understand your objections, but understand that when the idea of Zionism began in the 1800s Jews were not accepted as equal citzens throughout most of the world. The idea was for Jews to found a nation for themselves in order to obtain rights for themselves. The Palestine territory (READ: Not country) was the best choice because of the historical connection, AND because of the extremely low existing population there at the time. By 1860 the total population of Palestine was 411,000, (according to a palestinian source..

The current state of affairs is not the result of one population moving in to displace another, but the result of a long standing civil war between two nationalities in the same land. But this is a whole other debate....

The hardships faced by Jews, though regrettable does not justify the actions they have undertaken with respect to Zionism. Displacing half a million people is quite significant, and not extremely low as you say. Why were the Jews not treated as equal citizens throughout most of the world? You seem to put it as if the whole world has been against the Jews throughout history.

The current state of affairs is due to occupation of territories based on the concept of Zionism as you stated above. It is by no means a civil war. But this is a whole other debate...

Well the definition of a Jew TECHNICALLY is found within Judaism itself, and it's meaning is spiritual. To be a jew, means to posess the Jewish soul, which is basically a second soul, whose purpose is to purify/heal the world. According to the Tanach the soul is passed from mother to son, but Ger Tzedeks(converts) also possess it. It therefore transcends racial boundaries. Yes I know this is incredibly vague... I mean how do you know if someone posseses the Jewish soul or not?.. Big questions like if a son of a jewish mother practices Catholicism, does he still possess the jewish soul?... I don't know that there is an answer to that.

Different answers to the meaning of Jews is leaving me more confused. If the word Jew is a part of the Judaic religion, whats all this about ethnicity and all?

 

[rextilleon]

Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
So basically Israel is home for the Jews? What about non-Jews?

Hey, better to be called a troll then to be cursed out--(your usual course of response)----
I'm just quoting you--dont kill the messenger. You claim to be a Jew but you dont have the faintest idea of what Judaism is or is not, what Israel is or is not---Me thinks you need to read!

lol
for everyone who thinks rextilleon is of a sound mind, the above should be an eye-opener. I am not a Jew. I call retards what they are. I do not curse out you troll.
I asked a question regarding what Max said. Do you know what question marks are? They look like this -> "?"

BTW to respond to your question... Non-jews currently residing in Israel are equal citzens. But the idea behind Israel is that Jews are a nation of people, who are dispersed all over the world. Imagine for example if Pakistan was destroyed... and then refounded... your first responsibility would be getting your pakistani citzens back. Israel sees jewish immigration as repatriating rather than simply immigrating.

-Max

Thanks. I have objections about your statement regarding non-jews being equal citizens in Israel, but lets leave that. I dont know about you, but I think its just wrong to claim a land as being one's own by birthright or on the basis of it being one's own because once upon a time, it was. And that too based on religious grounds - Israel being the land of the Jewish people - not a race, but the followers of the religion Judaism. No one would object if the land was still uninhabited, but displacing the current inhabitants to claim the land as one's own is just not right. Would you not have a problem if a Muslim tomorrow claimed that since Adam was bestowed Earth by God was a Muslim (according to their belief), the whole of Earth is Muslim land and everyone else should go jump into the ocean?

I understand your objections, but understand that when the idea of Zionism began in the 1800s Jews were not accepted as equal citzens throughout most of the world. The idea was for Jews to found a nation for themselves in order to obtain rights for themselves. The Palestine territory (READ: Not country) was the best choice because of the historical connection, AND because of the extremely low existing population there at the time. By 1860 the total population of Palestine was 411,000, (according to a palestinian source..

The current state of affairs is not the result of one population moving in to displace another, but the result of a long standing civil war between two nationalities in the same land. But this is a whole other debate....

Because I cannot understand what kind of ethnicity would Jews who define themselves as ethnic Jews have. I understand ethnicity as being a group of people from a similar geographical area, speaking the same tongue, having similar physical features and/or having a common cultural heritage.

Is it that those who claim Jewish ethnicity do so based on their ability to speak Hebrew? Even Hebrew is often interchangeable with the word Jew.

I dont believe any other definition of ethnicity one can apply. There wasnt a group of Jews from any particular area in the recent past, nor did disparate Jews have a common culture, nor would they have the same physical features. Am I wrong?

Well the definition of a Jew TECHNICALLY is found within Judaism itself, and it's meaning is spiritual. To be a jew, means to posess the Jewish soul, which is basically a second soul, whose purpose is to purify/heal the world. According to the Tanach the soul is passed from mother to son, but Ger Tzedeks(converts) also possess it. It therefore transcends racial boundaries. Yes I know this is incredibly vague... I mean how do you know if someone posseses the Jewish soul or not?.. Big questions like if a son of a jewish mother practices Catholicism, does he still possess the jewish soul?... I don't know that there is an answer to that.

-Max

There is, the answer that Israel has is that the mislead should not be punished, the Jewish soul follow heritage even if someone on the way is mislead, even if the person in question has been mislead, it is a follow up to those who have not spent their life on holy land, once they do they will be saved and brought back into the herd.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

Actually, this has been used by Muslims to prove the difference between the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael.

For me, i have a heritage that i am proud of , that is what makes me a Jew, my forefathers share the same history as many other Jews, and even though they tried we prevailed, Hitler tried, Staline tried even harder, we prevailed.

I am proud over my heritage. That doesn't meant that i think less of anyone from any other heritage, i accept the world with all the different people on it and i rather accept than deny anyone.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

No, I replied to rextilleon and stated what I thought he meant.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

Actually, this has been used by Muslims to prove the difference between the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael.

For me, i have a heritage that i am proud of , that is what makes me a Jew, my forefathers share the same history as many other Jews, and even though they tried we prevailed, Hitler tried, Staline tried even harder, we prevailed.

I am proud over my heritage. That doesn't meant that i think less of anyone from any other heritage, i accept the world with all the different people on it and i rather accept than deny anyone.

Lol you didn't prevaile over hitler staline mainly prevailed over hitler with the help of Americia and a few other allies.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

No, I replied to rextilleon and stated what I thought he meant.

That's fine, but if you want an answer to your question about ethnicity, in terms of culture and genetics, it's above.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

ok, i'm joining this conversation pretty late and didn't read alot of it, but i have some things to say, and don't want to flame anyone or any religon
1. i am an american-born palestinian (as in i was born to palestinian parents in america for those who lack brains, i'm arab, and i'm muslim, and i don't want to kill you)

2. i don't hate jews, and i don't hate zionism, they deserve a right to that land (Israel/Palestine/Canaan, whatever the f*ck you want to go ahead and call it)

3. a Semite is not a jew, the term Semite is defined a descendant of abraham, that covers both jews and arabs, saying arabs are anti-semitic is a pardoxial statement, go learn english, if everyone jumps off a cliff, don't go with them, use the proper terminology in your bashing. also, jew was never considered an ethnicity, you have Israeli Jews (most of which are European), Arab Jews (believe it or not there is a nice chunk of arab jews in israel), Ethiopian Jews and so on. a jew is a follower of judaism, and a muslim is a follower of islam, if you want to give jews an ethnicity go ahead and call them Israeli, again, learn your terminology

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan-just shows how little you know---there are non-Jews living in Israel with full rights of citizenship. The Jews will never allow a Muslim majority to take over the country---they don't want an Ayatollah running the country.

4. not really, my father's family's house is actually inside jerusalem's city borders, and was there before 1967, but when they applied for Israeli Citizenship (a Jerusalem ID) they were denied it because one person on the approval board didn't want to have more arabs inside jerusalem

5. there are MANY wacko fundamentalist jews out there as one, just because the american media only covers the muslim ones doesn't change that. when we were visiting the west bank this summer, a group of israeli settlers and jewish citizens of jerusalem made a HUMAN WALL from a settlement in Gaza all the way to jerusalem, this was supposed to be like a rally, and many of the people that were interviewed were mentioning things about wanting all muslims to be killed, removal of all arabs from israel and its territories, and the destruction of the dome of the rock and masjid al-aqsa and erection of a temple there (which has been a plan on the minds of say 5% of all the jews [the fundamentalist wackos, just like the ones we have] in israel) note: i saw this on american run iraqi news channel, Al-Hurra, literally translated to, The Soveirgn (sp?) or The Independent

6. i don't hate jews, and i don't want death to all jews either. in fact, i know a couple of jews, and have some jewish friends as well, and they don't have a problem with me either. its the israeli gov't i hate, for their strong anti-palestinian policies (i am not allowed to go to jerusalem, not allowed to pray in al-aqsa, not allowed to leave the west bank, we only manage to leave from tel-aviv because our american citizenship allows us to get Tasreeh (i believe its hebrew for permission or something like that) for entry into israel) when israel took the west bank, gaza, and golan, it wasn't like the US's annexation of hawaii or alaska, people inside there are discriminated (with the exception of golan, syria just sat back and let them take it, it is now 99% jewish i believe, and is technically a part of israel) and do not have rights, yet they have their own gov't inside of occupied territories. that makes no sense, and would have to lead to corruption and internal relations between the two gov'ts.

7. that statement someone posted earlier from the quran about not seeing people of the scriptures is taken out of context, and the meaning has been totally annihalated. read the verses around it, this verse was revealed as to tell the muslims not to mix their practices with those of other religons, as in, why do we need to celebrate hannukah for example (not trying to be anti-jewish, but i need a holiday to mention) when we have our own two Eid's (celebrations). if that verse is true, why are muslim men allowed to marry christian and jewish women? why did the ottomans allow the jews and christians to live inside in peace? why does saudi arabia have about 1,000 jews in it? why are there a large amount of christians in "muslim ruled" egypt and syria? why did omar bin al-khattab allow the jews and christians to remain inside jerusalem when he added it to the islamic empire?

8. there are crazy fundamentalists on all sides of every religon, and the only way to get rid of them is to call up Yuri from RA2, or wipe them out, and im not trying to suggest mass murder or anything.

9. and believe me, if some foriegn invader kicked you out of your house (my grandparents are refugees), took half your land, then took some more a couple decades later, some decades after that enforced extremely apartheid-like laws on you (israels anti-palestinian policies are pretty recent, dating back to the early 90s only), then built a nice wall for you to put grafitti on through your country, YOU WOULD BE PISSED.

10. the subject of this topic is so gay, and i believe i've just destroyed its whole purpose and answered it, all of you, stop argueing about it, as im sure you will never come to a decisive answer, as for me, i'm willing to say what i want, shut up, and see what everyone else does about it

EDIT: lol, yuri is from ra2 not for ra2

 

[cquark]

jew was never considered an ethnicity

You can state that you don't consider Jew to be an ethnicity, but to assert that it never has been so considered is absurd. What about the Nazi persecution of the Jews, where they explicitly defined Jews through the Nurenburg Laws? Read the Wiesenthal Center FAQ for details. What about according to their own rabbinc law as recorded in the Talmud, which claims that anyone whose mother is a Jew is also a Jew, regardless of their belief or lack thereof in Judaism?

Try the Wikipedia article "Who is a Jew" for more details.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: cquark

jew was never considered an ethnicity

You can state that you don't consider Jew to be an ethnicity, but to assert that it never has been so considered is absurd. What about the Nazi persecution of the Jews, where they explicitly defined Jews through the Nurenburg Laws? Read the Wiesenthal Center FAQ for details. What about according to their own rabbinc law as recorded in the Talmud, which claims that anyone whose mother is a Jew is also a Jew, regardless of their belief or lack thereof in Judaism?

Try the Wikipedia article "Who is a Jew" for more details.

didn't have to take it so seriously man, a Jew is a follower of Judaism, grab Webster's and take a goood long look at the deifinition, whatever you want to consider a Jew to be is your choice, not mine, i believe hitler only persecuted those who follow judaism, because in our world history class, we were reading about the conquest of the kingdom of judah and the kingdom of israel, the latter being completely wiped out and quote " the ten original tribes being scattered and dissolved into the surrounding cultures " unquote
a Jew is whatever you interpret it to be, and if judaism interprets it as descendetnt of a follower of Judaism, then your allowed to your opinion, no sense in trying to force anyone to believe anything

EDIT: by the way, did you happen to read that whole article?

Those not born to a Jewish mother may become religiously accepted as Jews through a formal and usually difficult process of conversion, and they and their children are then accepted as Jews as well. This is still relatively rare, and typically discouraged.

so i guess you are from those who are relatively rare?

 

[cquark]

grab Webster's and take a goood long look at the deifinition,

Good idea, but you should have read the definition yourself before attempting to use it to support your position. Here's the definition from Webster's Dictionary Online:

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: 'jü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French gyu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew YehudhI, from YehudhAh Judah, Jewish kingdom
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

Only the final definition is religion; the first three are all ethnic. The word Jew indisputably used with meanings of both ethnicity and religion.

i believe hitler only persecuted those who follow judaism

No, you are wrong. See the link above, and if you don't understand why the Wiesenthal Center is authoratative on this matter, educate yourself about who Simon Wiesenthal was and what the organization is. Or google the Nuremburg Laws yourself; Hitler made himself very clear on this matter.

EDIT: by the way, did you happen to read that whole article?

Yes, it is possible to follow Judaism without being of the Jewish ethnicity, though it is very rare, and your children will be considered Jews. No ethnic group completly prevents people from joining or leaving it. There will always be some degree of intermarriage at the least.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

Actually, this has been used by Muslims to prove the difference between the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael.

For me, i have a heritage that i am proud of , that is what makes me a Jew, my forefathers share the same history as many other Jews, and even though they tried we prevailed, Hitler tried, Staline tried even harder, we prevailed.

I am proud over my heritage. That doesn't meant that i think less of anyone from any other heritage, i accept the world with all the different people on it and i rather accept than deny anyone.

Lol you didn't prevaile over hitler staline mainly prevailed over hitler with the help of Americia and a few other allies.

Are you completely stupid, we lived through Hitlers regime, through Stalin who tried even harder.

You have some wite powder on your lip, is that your explanation?

The Jewish people lived through that, you making fun of it is a disgrace. go to hell.

 

[Klixxer]

I said it before and i will say it again, call Israel and tell them what a Jew is, i do not follow the religion but my heritage DOES make me a Jew in all definitions that matter to them.

Sometimes you just wish people would STFU and realize that they are wrong, eh, cquark. But na-ah, they know better than the state of Israel, better than the definition of their own which they link to, makes me cry for their families.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

Actually, this has been used by Muslims to prove the difference between the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael.

For me, i have a heritage that i am proud of , that is what makes me a Jew, my forefathers share the same history as many other Jews, and even though they tried we prevailed, Hitler tried, Staline tried even harder, we prevailed.

I am proud over my heritage. That doesn't meant that i think less of anyone from any other heritage, i accept the world with all the different people on it and i rather accept than deny anyone.

Lol you didn't prevaile over hitler staline mainly prevailed over hitler with the help of Americia and a few other allies.

Are you completely stupid, we lived through Hitlers regime, through Stalin who tried even harder.

You have some wite powder on your lip, is that your explanation?

The Jewish people lived through that, you making fun of it is a disgrace. go to hell.

No I make fun of your claim to prevaile over hitler. Your claiming other victories as your own then crying racism or what ever when you get called out on it. Jew surivied hitler in a few including:
1. Fleeing the area to other nations
2. Hiding in an occupyed nation
3. Left alive by the will of hitler mainly for slave labor camps and hitler's man power was need else where.

Notice what is missing defeating hitler. You could say the jews surived hitler or where resuced from hitler but to say they prevailed implies jews where substationaly involed with defaeting hitler.

I said it before and i will say it again, call Israel and tell them what a Jew is, i do not follow the religion but my heritage DOES make me a Jew in all definitions that matter to them.

Sometimes you just wish people would STFU and realize that they are wrong, eh, cquark. But na-ah, they know better than the state of Israel, better than the definition of their own which they link to, makes me cry for their families.

You may worship the state of isreal but they have a bias and uses that defintion to control thier "democracy," so isreal really isn't a good source for defining a jew.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: sheik124
ok, i'm joining this conversation pretty late and didn't read alot of it, but i have some things to say, and don't want to flame anyone or any religon
1. i am an american-born palestinian (as in i was born to palestinian parents in america for those who lack brains, i'm arab, and i'm muslim, and i don't want to kill you)

nice post... wish everyone else could be so clear

 

[rextilleon]

Spencer is obviously a closet anti-semite with grave spelling and grammar issues.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I said it before and i will say it again, call Israel and tell them what a Jew is, i do not follow the religion but my heritage DOES make me a Jew in all definitions that matter to them.

Sometimes you just wish people would STFU and realize that they are wrong, eh, cquark. But na-ah, they know better than the state of Israel, better than the definition of their own which they link to, makes me cry for their families.

wont you define yourself as a non-conformist Jew? You are proud of your 'heritage' but just dont follow your religion, or rather, the religion of your ancestors....

 

[0roo0roo]

whats an american indian?

 

[mrSHEiK124]

cquark, since 1. i'm not a jew, 2. i've never really asked any of the Judaist (trying to be clear, if you say Jew means one with Jewish heritage, then i say people i know who follow Judaism is Judaist? happy?) friends i know about it, i guess you know more about what you're saying, lets stop arguing about whats a jew and whats not, ok? this thread is veering completely off-topic

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Klixxerand even the levelheaded Swede Sunner

I'm levelheaded? If only my mother could have seen that

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sultan---lets try to spell this out for you--help you in your perpetual state of confusion:

There are religious Jews-----------
There are Jews who one might say are not religious at all but consider themselves to be Jews nevertheless (Hitler didn't differentiate--you didn't have to go to Temple every Saturday to end up in the oven. These Jews might celebrate the major Jewish holidays but thats about it--

There are Jews who are ethnically Jewish (there parents are Jewish) but dont believe in the religious or the cultural aspects of being Jewish--

Now stop playing games.

That means there's conformist Jews who follow their religion, and there are non-conformist Jews who dont. Where does ETHNICITY come into it?

You apparently missed my post, which I repeat below for your convenience:

You are wrong, because the Jews of the Diaspora retained their language, culture, and physical features, including ones that we've analyzed genetically (blood type distributions of European Jews are different from those of the Europeans they lived among, and certain genetic disorders like Tay Sachs occur with dramatically higher frequency in the Jewish population, much like sickle cell anemia and the black population in the US.)

Actually, this has been used by Muslims to prove the difference between the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael.

For me, i have a heritage that i am proud of , that is what makes me a Jew, my forefathers share the same history as many other Jews, and even though they tried we prevailed, Hitler tried, Staline tried even harder, we prevailed.

I am proud over my heritage. That doesn't meant that i think less of anyone from any other heritage, i accept the world with all the different people on it and i rather accept than deny anyone.

Lol you didn't prevaile over hitler staline mainly prevailed over hitler with the help of Americia and a few other allies.

Are you completely stupid, we lived through Hitlers regime, through Stalin who tried even harder.

You have some wite powder on your lip, is that your explanation?

The Jewish people lived through that, you making fun of it is a disgrace. go to hell.

No I make fun of your claim to prevaile over hitler. Your claiming other victories as your own then crying racism or what ever when you get called out on it. Jew surivied hitler in a few including:
1. Fleeing the area to other nations
2. Hiding in an occupyed nation
3. Left alive by the will of hitler mainly for slave labor camps and hitler's man power was need else where.

Notice what is missing defeating hitler. You could say the jews surived hitler or where resuced from hitler but to say they prevailed implies jews where substationaly involed with defaeting hitler.

I said it before and i will say it again, call Israel and tell them what a Jew is, i do not follow the religion but my heritage DOES make me a Jew in all definitions that matter to them.

Sometimes you just wish people would STFU and realize that they are wrong, eh, cquark. But na-ah, they know better than the state of Israel, better than the definition of their own which they link to, makes me cry for their families.

You may worship the state of isreal but they have a bias and uses that defintion to control thier "democracy," so isreal really isn't a good source for defining a jew.

Oooh, another dimwit who thinks he knows me.

I am proud of my heritage, i am also proud over having been in Pristine Kosovo and in Afghanistan.

I am one of the worst critics of Israel on this board, it is more to SHOW the bias than anything else.

You might try to at lest read more than ONE of my posts before trying to reply pretending you know who i am.

Sorry, wrong all around, you are getting used to that, aren't you?

 

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Come on Klizzer--can't you get through a post without calling someone a dimwit etc---------you were actually making some sense there until you went into your playground rant mode.