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And the Jizyah, as you explained previously, is for 'protection' for being a non-Muslim and the Zakat is for chairty under the Muslim faith. Pretty demeaning for any non-Muslim if he or she needs to pay a tax for protection while other people can pay a religious charity tax.

I have subsequently corrected my first statement MANY, MANY times. But you're so stupid, you still havent understood it


I hope this has been a lesson for you not to lie and not to make up stories

I think it is inherently discriminatory.

Thats because you are stupid.

I didn't even read all of his post. What forms of 'appeasement' do Muslims receive in India? Are they taxed extra for being Muslim? Or are they discriminated against and thus the government tries to help them out? There's a pretty damn big difference.

Either way, a program originally intended to eliminate injustice is not the same as a program used to degrade and instill injustice.

Go read it then. Btw, I dont think you can appease anyone by charging them more or discriminating against them. I hope Vandebilt has a better system of education now. You are just sugarcoating Arithi's (no offense to you Arithi) claim to hide your bias. Jizyah does not degrade, nor instill injustice.

I don't see much at all.

Stupid AND blind. Next time, read carefully

Nobody should be forced to pay a religious charity tax based upon another religion that they do not follow.

And therefore, they must pay Jizyah I hope this has been another lesson for you to read up the posts before starting a useless argument.

I think I have taught you quite well now. Next time hopefully you will display your stupid intellect
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Your words apply to you

And you dont teach me nothing, so you can carry on trying to take credit and get whatever meek pleasure you get out it

As I said in the above post, I have no intention of imposing my religious views onto any other. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth

Well your bolded words apply to you.

I think I taught you much now. Hopefully now you will be more cautious when exclaiming support for any discrimination. You have learned to not assume another's religious beliefs or lack thereof. You have also apparently learned to now force your religious teachings from your God to others.

You are making progress, Sultan!

Your typed words apply just to you

I never supported discrimination.

"Maybe" does not imply assumption. Read my posts well.

I have not tried to impose my religion on anyone. You can follower whoever and whatever you want. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth. Need I repeat this a fourth time?
 
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Originally posted by: Sultan
I have subsequently corrected my first statement MANY, MANY times. But you're so stupid, you still havent understood it

Your amended statement was still horrible. While I'm glad that I taught you to have less hate in you, you still showed support for a discriminatory system.

I hope this has been a lesson for you not to lie and not to make up stories

This has been a very important lesson in how religion can blind someone and make them hateful people.

Thats because you are stupid.

Thats isn't a word.

It is clearly discriminatory. However, I can see that you are likely saying that it isn't since it probably helps you sleep better at night.

Go read it then. Btw, I dont think you can appease anyone by charging them more or discriminating against them. I hope Vandebilt has a better system of education now. You are just sugarcoating Arithi's (no offense to you Arithi) claim to hide your bias. Jizyah does not degrade, nor instill injustice.

It's sad when you compare programs that were originally intended to fix social injustice to programs that are fundamentally used to instill social injustice. Again, affirmative action isn't anything near having a separate tax for a non-Muslim. However, being that you are likely a religious fanatic, you are too blind to notice the difference.

I think Vanderbilt has a fine education system, especially since it's a top 20 school. I wish I could say the same about the Illinois Institute of Technology, but we all know that it is a second rate institution.

Stupid AND blind. Next time, read carefully

Read carefully? I am, but your religious fanaticism has clouded your thoughts.

And therefore, they must pay Jizyah I hope this has been another lesson for you to read up the posts before starting a useless argument.

So the only options are to pay a tax for another religion or pay a tax for 'protection'. Yeah, not discriminatory! What a ridiculous comment. I hope this has been another lesson for you to actually open your mind. Stop trying to hide behind discriminatory doctrine. You are your own person and are allowed to not be full of hate. I hope that I can help you out even more over the next few months. I'm already very happy since it seems I have brought you from complete and utter blindness and fanaticism. You've learned much, Sultan. I'm proud of you.
 
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Your words apply to you

And you dont teach me nothing, so you can carry on trying to take credit and get whatever meek pleasure you get out it

As I said in the above post, I have no intention of imposing my religious views onto any other. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth

Well your bolded words apply to you.

I think I taught you much now. Hopefully now you will be more cautious when exclaiming support for any discrimination. You have learned to not assume another's religious beliefs or lack thereof. You have also apparently learned to now force your religious teachings from your God to others.

You are making progress, Sultan!

Your typed words apply just to you

I never supported discrimination.

"Maybe" does not imply assumption. Read my posts well.

I have not tried to impose my religion on anyone. You can follower whoever and whatever you want. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth. Need I repeat this a fourth time?

I actually believe that you subconsciously bolded the words to show your true nature.

Yes, you support discrimination against non-Muslims.

Thanks for now trying to not impose your religion on me.
 

Sultan

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Your amended statement was still horrible. While I'm glad that I taught you to have less hate in you, you still showed support for a discriminatory system.

I dont think you even know what my amended statement was. Last time, you dismissed it as sugarcoating. You're stupid

This has been a very important lesson in how religion can blind someone and make them hateful people.

This is an important lesson to reply to a quote with something relevant.

Thats isn't a word.

It is clearly discriminatory. However, I can see that you are likely saying that it isn't since it probably helps you sleep better at night.

Since you think 'stupid' is not a word, I rest my case. Its clearly not discriminatory and you keep jumping back and forth calling me a discriminatory, hateful person or a religious injunction of many discriminatory and hateful.

It's sad when you compare programs that were originally intended to fix social injustice to programs that are fundamentally used to instill social injustice. Again, affirmative action isn't anything near having a separate tax for a non-Muslim. However, being that you are likely a religious fanatic, you are too blind to notice the difference.

I think Vanderbilt has a fine education system, especially since it's a top 20 school. I wish I could say the same about the Illinois Institute of Technology, but we all know that it is a second rate institution.

I thought you said any system which favors one group of people over the other is discriminatory?? Now its "intended to fix social injustice"? Make up your mind sonny boy. You being a biased anti-Islamic person can continue throwing hateful rhetoric towards Islamic injunctions and followers of Islam.

I was accepted at Vanderbilt. Thanks God I didnt go, otherwise I'd end up being as stupid as you

Read carefully? I am, but your religious fanaticism has clouded your thoughts.

You didnt read, and thats why you said and I quote: "I don't see much at all." Who's thoughts are clouded?

So the only options are to pay a tax for another religion or pay a tax for 'protection'. Yeah, not discriminatory! What a ridiculous comment. I hope this has been another lesson for you to actually open your mind. Stop trying to hide behind discriminatory doctrine. You are your own person and are allowed to not be full of hate. I hope that I can help you out even more over the next few months. I'm already very happy since it seems I have brought you from complete and utter blindness and fanaticism. You've learned much, Sultan. I'm proud of you.

Yes, those are the only two options to keep both Muslims or non-Muslims happy and in harmony. I hope this has been a lesson for you in equality and justice for all. Fairness in religion is taught, and is implemented by a government. Sadly you still need to learn that concept. Dont worry, in a few weeks, you'd not only agree but come join my faith with me and I'll be real proud of you then Mr. Mongoose.
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Your words apply to you

And you dont teach me nothing, so you can carry on trying to take credit and get whatever meek pleasure you get out it

As I said in the above post, I have no intention of imposing my religious views onto any other. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth

Well your bolded words apply to you.

I think I taught you much now. Hopefully now you will be more cautious when exclaiming support for any discrimination. You have learned to not assume another's religious beliefs or lack thereof. You have also apparently learned to now force your religious teachings from your God to others.

You are making progress, Sultan!

Your typed words apply just to you

I never supported discrimination.

"Maybe" does not imply assumption. Read my posts well.

I have not tried to impose my religion on anyone. You can follower whoever and whatever you want. Stop living in your fantasy land and dreaming of words to put in my mouth. Need I repeat this a fourth time?

I actually believe that you subconsciously bolded the words to show your true nature.

Yes, you support discrimination against non-Muslims.

Thanks for now trying to not impose your religion on me.


I actually believe that you subconsciously WROTE those words to show your true nature. I gave you yet another lesson to put forth in front of your OWN eyes the words YOU wrote Hopefully, your mind will not be clouded with your hate towards other religions and its people and you will stop being a bigot.

No, I do not support discrimination against non-Muslims.

You are welcome. This is yet another lesson for you
 
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Originally posted by: Sultan
I dont think you even know what my amended statement was. Last time, you dismissed it as sugarcoating. You're stupid

Oh no, I am so hurt.

This is an important lesson to reply to a quote with something relevant.

This is an important lesson to recognize your own bigotry.

Since you think 'stupid' is not a word, I rest my case. Its clearly not discriminatory and you keep jumping back and forth calling me a discriminatory, hateful person or a religious injunction of many discriminatory and hateful.

Since you think 'thats' is a word, I rest my case. I'm sorry, but any system that DISCRIMINATES between different groups is discriminatory. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up discriminate.

I thought you said any system which favors one group of people over the other is discriminatory?? Now its "intended to fix social injustice"? Make up your mind sonny boy. You being a biased anti-Islamic person can continue throwing hateful rhetoric towards Islamic injunctions and followers of Islam.

Again, it's sad when you try to compare programs that tried to end racism and injustice to programs that are inherently hateful. Either way is wrong, but one is even more wrong. What is wrong with you? Are you really this blind? Religious fanaticism is horrible.

I'm anti-Islamic? Hilarious. Why did I sometimes defend the rights of Muslims in the threads about Europe, especially with all of the headscarf bans? Must be because I'm anti-Islamic now.

Are people that are against the Hindu caste system anti-Hindu?

I'm against any severe discriminatory system that is used to instill injustice. I'm sorry that one part of your faith is discriminatory in nature, but that doesn't mean I'm against your entire religion. I wish I could say that you are not anti non-Muslim, but it seems that you are.

I was accepted at Vanderbilt. Thanks God I didnt go, otherwise I'd end up being as stupid as you

Too bad IIT is a second rate institution.

You didnt read, and thats why you said and I quote: "I don't see much at all." Who's thoughts are clouded?

Your thoughts are clouded.

Yes, those are the only two options to keep both Muslims or non-Muslims happy and in harmony. I hope this has been a lesson for you in equality and justice for all. Fairness in religion is taught, and is implemented by a government. Sadly you still need to learn that concept. Dont worry, in a few weeks, you'd not only agree but come join my faith with me and I'll be real proud of you then Mr. Mongoose.

Wow, you really are blinded with religious fanaticism. You see nothing wrong with one group paying a nice charity tax while another group has to pay a 'protection' tax. How about we charge Jews a 'you're a dirty Jew' tax and everyone else pays a 'We're not a dirty Jew tax'? I mean that isn't discriminatory at all!

So let's get it clear. Are you saying that a tax system that says one group can pay a religious charity tax while another group can pay a 'protection' tax is not discriminatory?

Sorry, but if your religion actively teaches discrimination, then I would never join it.

I hope this has been a valuable lesson for you. You've changed much over the past few weeks and I hope to bring you back from the brink of fanaticism over the next few months.
 

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Oh no, I am so hurt.

Im sorry, i didnt mean to hurt you

This is an important lesson to recognize your own bigotry.

Another irrelevant point which has nothing to do with what I posted. You're a difficult student. Here's another lesson, post something to agree with or disagree with what I said.

Since you think 'thats' is a word, I rest my case. I'm sorry, but any system that DISCRIMINATES between different groups is discriminatory. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up discriminate

What was your case? Another example of stupidity. A religion is not a system. Thats another word's addition to your illogical argument. Here's another lesson for you. Stick to what your original argument was and then argue it. By the way, I apologize for missing the apostrophe in 'thats' :roll:

Again, it's sad when you try to compare programs that tried to end racism and injustice to programs that are inherently hateful. Either way is wrong, but one is even more wrong. What is wrong with you? Are you really this blind? Religious fanaticism is horrible.

I'm anti-Islamic? Hilarious. Why did I sometimes defend the rights of Muslims in the threads about Europe, especially with all of the headscarf bans? Must be because I'm anti-Islamic now.

Are people that are against the Hindu caste system anti-Hindu?

I'm against any severe discriminatory system that is used to instill injustice. I'm sorry that one part of your faith is discriminatory in nature, but that doesn't mean I'm against your entire religion. I wish I could say that you are not anti non-Muslim, but it seems that you are.

Again, its sad that you fail to recognize that asking non-Muslims to follow a Muslim practice is discrimination against non-Muslims and not haveing them to pay any tax is discrimination against the Muslims. You must have a really hard skull.

"Appeasement" of any faith over another is religious discrimination.

Just because you speak against "headscarf bans" doesnt mean you are not a biased anti-Islamic person. I dont pick things about other religions and speak out against them. Does that make me a pro-Christian, pro-Hindu, pro-Jewish person?

Here's a more serious thought:
Why are you against the Hindu caste system? It has nothing to do with you. Those that practice it follow it as their belief. Why must you always have to speak for others? Are you a Hindu? Have you been discriminated against? Have the Hindu people come speak to you about their problems and troubles regarding the caste system? The Hindus solved the caste system issue themselves. You should not object to a certain injunction about any religion just because it does not make sense to you.

I asked one of my Hindu friends how they could believe in multiple Gods, one who would want the Sun to shine bright, the other to have rain and thunderstorms. I argued these Gods would fight amongst themselves. My friend's reply was simple: they are Gods, why would they not work in unison, rather than fight? Thats an example of something that doesnt make sense to you, but yet is the belief of almost a billion. If you want to be qualified about speaking about the caste-system, study the entire religion of Hinduism.

Too bad IIT is a second rate institution.

I still thank God I didnt go to Vanderbilt

Your thoughts are clouded.

You didnt read, and thats why you said and I quote: "I don't see much at all." Who's thoughts are clouded?

Wow, you really are blinded with religious fanaticism. You see nothing wrong with one group paying a nice charity tax while another group has to pay a 'protection' tax. How about we charge Jews a 'you're a dirty Jew' tax and everyone else pays a 'We're not a dirty Jew tax'? I mean that isn't discriminatory at all!

So let's get it clear. Are you saying that a tax system that says one group can pay a religious charity tax while another group can pay a 'protection' tax is not discriminatory?

Sorry, but if your religion actively teaches discrimination, then I would never join it.

I hope this has been a valuable lesson for you. You've changed much over the past few weeks and I hope to bring you back from the brink of fanaticism over the next few months.

Read my posts again. You're just hinged on the word 'protection'. By being exempt from the military and having the military defend your life, and property, you receive the military's protection. If the non-Muslims serve in the military of their own will, they dont have to pay the tax. All Muslims must serve in the military. If they dont serve in the military for an unusual circumstance, they are also liable to pay Jizyah.

I am already posted the above quite a number of times before. I hope this time you will learn a lesson and actually read and understand, rather than just argue for the sake of arguing.

I hope I have taught you another valueable lesson READ with an open mind Stupid.
 
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What was your case? Another example of stupidity. A religion is not a system. Thats another word's addition to your illogical argument. Here's another lesson for you. Stick to what your original argument was and then argue it. By the way, I apologize for missing the apostrophe in 'thats'

A religion is a system of beliefs.

Again, its sad that you fail to recognize that asking non-Muslims to follow a Muslim practice is discrimination against non-Muslims and not haveing them to pay any tax is discrimination against the Muslims. You must have a really hard skull.

If the only options are to pay a religous charity tax that you are not religiously affiliated with or to pay a 'protection' tax because you're a dirty non-Muslim, then it is discriminatory.

"Appeasement" of any faith over another is religious discrimination.

I don't believe that anyone should treat anyone differently based upon their sexual orientation, religion, race, ethnicity, gender, and so on. However, a system that was made to correct an injustice is better than a system that is fundamentally used to propagate that injustice. Both are wrong in an ideal society, but one is far worse.

Just because you speak against "headscarf bans" doesnt mean you are not a biased anti-Islamic person. I dont pick things about other religions and speak out against them. Does that make me a pro-Christian, pro-Hindu, pro-Jewish person?

You are more anti-Islamic. I've shown no bigotry whatsoever while you are claiming that bigotry is part of Islam. Not only are you anti-Islamic, but you are also even more fundamentally anti non-Islam. You want to tax every non-Muslim a special protection tax. You are a bigot and most likely a racist and probably a sexist.

Here's a more serious thought:
Why are you against the Hindu caste system? It has nothing to do with you. Those that practice it follow it as their belief. Why must you always have to speak for others? Are you a Hindu? Have you been discriminated against? Have the Hindu people come speak to you about their problems and troubles regarding the caste system? The Hindus solved the caste system issue themselves. You should not object to a certain injunction about any religion just because it does not make sense to you.

Thanks for bringing this up. Here is the fundamental difference between you and I. You believe that as long as you are not discriminated against, it is OK. I believe that if anyone is discriminated against, it is bad. I do not have to be discriminated against to be against discrimination.

Why must I always speak for others? Why must I speak against discrimination? Great concept you've got there, Sultan. What a great humanitarian you are! It's like you're the next Martin Luther King, Jr! Here's a wacky thought...how about you speak out against discrimination regardless of if you're discriminated against or not? Crazy, isn't it?

Also, this is an example of a religion evolving. Mormonism and polygamy is also the same.

Your beliefs are disgusting. You are probably one of the most fundamentally evil people that I have ever 'conversed' with. According to you, it is perfectly fine to be racist as long as you believe in racism. We are fundamentally different. I believe that all people should be treated equally. You believe that it is OK to discriminate and hate if you believe in it. I think you would make a great Grand Wizard of the KKK with that set of beliefs.

I asked one of my Hindu friends how they could believe in multiple Gods, one who would want the Sun to shine bright, the other to have rain and thunderstorms. I argued these Gods would fight amongst themselves. My friend's reply was simple: they are Gods, why would they not work in unison, rather than fight? Thats an example of something that doesnt make sense to you, but yet is the belief of almost a billion. If you want to be qualified about speaking about the caste-system, study the entire religion of Hinduism.

How do you know that if I am a Hindu or not? Not all Hindus are polytheists. In fact, many are not.

How do you know if that makes sense to me or not? Regardless, I know that treating entire people with hate and discrimination is wrong...even if any religious book tells me so.

Here it is again where you hide behind a pre-determined system of beliefs to justify hate and discrimination. I don't need to study Hinduism as a whole to understand that the caste system was wrong. I don't need to learn about African culture to understand that slavery was wrong. It doesn't matter anyways, many Hindus do not follow or believe in the caste system anymore. In fact, it's illegal to practice it in India.

I've talked to my Muslim (maybe I'm Muslim, too) friends and the words they use to describe you are 'fundamentalist', 'fanatic', and they claim that you are hiding behind religion to justify your bigotry.

I still thank God I didnt go to Vanderbilt

Actually I was wrong. IIT is a third rate institution considering that it is not ranked in the top 100 according to US News

Read my posts again. You're just hinged on the word 'protection'. By being exempt from the military and having the military defend your life, and property, you receive the military's protection. If the non-Muslims serve in the military of their own will, they dont have to pay the tax. All Muslims must serve in the military. If they dont serve in the military for an unusual circumstance, they are also liable to pay Jizyah.

If a society has a general rule that you must work in the military or pay a singularly named tax, then that would be fine. However, it should be applied to all people. Anything else is unfair and discriminatory.

Anyways, you've now shown the justification of your hatred. I really cannot believe that you have basically said that it's OK to be racist if you believe in racism.
 

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A religion is a system of beliefs.

System of beliefs? Then you must also understand that if you are calling A system of the belief discriminatory, you are accusing the entire system of being discriminatory, since a system is a group of interacting, interrelated elements forming a complex whole.

If the only options are to pay a religous charity tax that you are not religiously affiliated with or to pay
a 'protection' tax because you're a dirty non-Muslim, then it is discriminatory.

Read the whole post before making stupid statements. I hope this has been a lesson for you.

I don't believe that anyone should treat anyone differently based upon their sexual orientation, religion, race, ethnicity, gender, and so on. However, a system that was made to correct an injustice is better than a system that is fundamentally used to propagate that injustice. Both are wrong in an ideal society, but one is far worse.

Again, using your own words: "I'm sorry, but any system that DISCRIMINATES between different groups is discriminatory. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up discriminate". Now you are just claiming one is far worse :roll:

You are more anti-Islamic. I've shown no bigotry whatsoever while you are claiming that bigotry is part of Islam. Not only are you anti-Islamic, but you are also even more fundamentally anti non-Islam. You want to tax every non-Muslim a special protection tax. You are a bigot and most likely a racist and probably a sexist.

I have oft said Jizyah is not discriminatory, nor bigoted. You're too stupid to understand that. Claiming without understand and knowledge of Jizyah is anti-Islamic. One doesnt choose or practice part of religion that they feel comfortable with, you follow the whole thing. It is just not a "special protection tax" as you keep saying. Read the whole post before making a stupid statement.

Thanks for bringing this up. Here is the fundamental difference between you and I. You believe that as long as you are not discriminated against, it is OK. I believe that if anyone is discriminated against, it is bad. I do not have to be discriminated against to be against discrimination.

Why must I always speak for others? Why must I speak against discrimination? Great concept you've got there, Sultan. What a great humanitarian you are! It's like you're the next Martin Luther King, Jr! Here's a wacky thought...how about you speak out against discrimination regardless of if you're discriminated against or not? Crazy, isn't it?

Also, this is an example of a religion evolving. Mormonism and polygamy is also the same.

Your beliefs are disgusting. You are probably one of the most fundamentally evil people that I have ever 'conversed' with. According to you, it is perfectly fine to be racist as long as you believe in racism. We are fundamentally different. I believe that all people should be treated equally. You believe that it is OK to discriminate and hate if you believe in it. I think you would make a great Grand Wizard of the KKK with that set of beliefs.

Sorry, I do NOT believe "as you are not discriminated against, it is OK". You can now stop speaking for me also. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you

You can speak about discrimination as long as you want. Fact is Jizyah is not discriminatory. You have not experienced it. People who did voluntarily payed it. If they complained about it, then you can claim it was discriminatory. Thats a concept you should learn. Crazy isnt it? Another valuable lesson for you.

Religion does evolve within certain parameters. Christianity or Judaism does not become a polytheistic religion by "evolving".

Your stupidity is disgusting. You are one of the most fundamentally racist, bigoted, anti-Islamic person that I have 'conversed' with. According to you, it is perfectly fine to criticize a belief held by 1.2 billion people that you have no knowledge of, and have not experienced. You speak for others when the 'others' are not speaking against something they VOLUNTARILY do.

How do you know that if I am a Hindu or not? Not all Hindus are polytheists. In fact, many are not.

How do you know if that makes sense to me or not? Regardless, I know that treating entire people with hate and discrimination is wrong...even if any religious book tells me so.

Here it is again where you hide behind a pre-determined system of beliefs to justify hate and discrimination. I don't need to study Hinduism as a whole to understand that the caste system was wrong. I don't need to learn about African culture to understand that slavery was wrong. It doesn't matter anyways, many Hindus do not follow or believe in the caste system anymore. In fact, it's illegal to practice it in India.

I've talked to my Muslim (maybe I'm Muslim, too) friends and the words they use to describe you are 'fundamentalist', 'fanatic', and they claim that you are hiding behind religion to justify your bigotry.

I dont know if you are a Hindu or not. That is why I asked you if you were. Do you read or do you need lessons in that too? I dont speak for Hindus. They can be polytheists, trinitarian or monotheists. Their beliefs to their own.

My religion does not tell me to treat entire people with hate and discrimination. You can keep claiming it does, but you're stupid, so that doesnt make any difference to me or the people of the Islamic faith. Just makes you stand out as a stupid, bigoted, racist, anti-Islamic person.

I do not care about the caste system. Hindus practiced and practice it. They are still brahmins, kshatriyas, vaisyas, sudras and the untouchables. Many of my Hindu friends identify as being one or the other. Big deal. Those Hindus who didnt like practicing it opted out of their faith or spoke out against it. My ancestors were Kshatriyas. They converted. If non-Muslims didnt like paying Jizyah, they can enter military service, or leave the Muslim nation, or stand up and fight against their rulers. Apart from the first option, the others did not happen which is another reason of your claim being utterly ridiculous and stupid and shows your true nature. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you

Let me talk to your "Muslim" friends. Dont come up with your hollow claims. Let them call me the words you say they use to refer to me. Stop speaking for others!

Actually I was wrong. IIT is a third rate institution considering that it is not ranked in the top 100 according to US News

I still thank God I didnt go to Vanderbilt

If a society has a general rule that you must work in the military or pay a singularly named tax, then that would be fine. However, it should be applied to all people. Anything else is unfair and discriminatory.

Anyways, you've now shown the justification of your hatred. I really cannot believe that you have basically said that it's OK to be racist if you believe in racism.

Islam as a religion has a rule for Muslims that you must pay Zakat. This rule does not apply for non-Muslims. Islam, not "society" has a rule that non-Muslims need to pay Jizyah and NOT Zakat which can be used for military purposes (hence you keep saying "protection") or to do whatever the government so desires. Non-Muslims will not appreciate having to follow a tenat of Islam. That is why they dont pay Zakat.

I have not said it is ok to be a racist if you believe in racism. You are stupid and you speak for others. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you to read and understand and not argue for the sake of argument. Idiot.
 
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System of beliefs? Then you must also understand that if you are calling A system of the belief discriminatory, you are accusing the entire system of being discriminatory, since a system is a group of interacting, interrelated elements forming a complex whole.

Nonsense. You can call one part of a system incorrect, but the rest can be fine. I am thoroughly amazed at your ability to look up and plagiarize words from dictionary.com, but the other definitions provided are fine as well. For example, the human body. One part may be defective, but the entire system is not.

Anyways, this clearly shows your fanaticism. You cannot question one part or else you are invalidating the entire system. This is a fundamental root of your bigotry.

Read the whole post before making stupid statements. I hope this has been a lesson for you.

I am glad that I changed your view on that aspect of discrimination. To change you from wanting to tax non-Muslims more to this is quite an accomplishment for myself and for you.

Again, using your own words: "I'm sorry, but any system that DISCRIMINATES between different groups is discriminatory. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up discriminate". Now you are just claiming one is far worse

Being that you have openly stated that you support racism if you believe in racism, I am not suprised how you see that affirmative action is on the same level as slavery and racism. Bigotry runs deep within you.

I have oft said Jizyah is not discriminatory, nor bigoted. You're too stupid to understand that. Claiming without understand and knowledge of Jizyah is anti-Islamic. One doesnt choose or practice part of religion that they feel comfortable with, you follow the whole thing. It is just not a "special protection tax" as you keep saying. Read the whole post before making a stupid statement.

All of your examples before said that you supported a discriminatory tax. Now that you have changed your entire ideal, from the point of supporting higher taxes on non-Muslims to something less evil, it's not as bad. However, it should still be equal to all.

Sorry, I do NOT believe "as you are not discriminated against, it is OK". You can now stop speaking for me also. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you

You said why should I speak out against discrimination if I'm not discriminated against. Why should I speak out agaist the caste system if I am not under it? Why should I speak out aganst slavery if I am not under it? I have nothing to do with slavery or the caste system, but I should speak out against it. You are a great humanitarian. You clearly have the Nobel Peace Prize within your sights.

You can speak about discrimination as long as you want. Fact is Jizyah is not discriminatory. You have not experienced it. People who did voluntarily payed it. If they complained about it, then you can claim it was discriminatory. Thats a concept you should learn. Crazy isnt it? Another valuable lesson for you.

Why do people have to complain about something for others to say the concept is discriminatory? Oh, another great humanitarian lesson from the great and benevolent Sultan.

Your stupidity is disgusting. You are one of the most fundamentally racist, bigoted, anti-Islamic person that I have 'conversed' with. According to you, it is perfectly fine to criticize a belief held by 1.2 billion people that you have no knowledge of, and have not experienced. You speak for others when the 'others' are not speaking against something they VOLUNTARILY do.

How do you know that I have absolutely no knowledge of these religions? You don't. I am being critical of any part of any religion that is discriminatory. It's nice that you can hide behind your religion as an excuse for your hateful views, but the bottom line is that you are also a hateful person. You are a bigot. Plain and simple. You have no compassion for your fellow man. You are anti-Islamic and you are even more so anti non-Islamic.


I dont know if you are a Hindu or not. That is why I asked you if you were. Do you read or do you need lessons in that too? I dont speak for Hindus. They can be polytheists, trinitarian or monotheists. Their beliefs to their own.

I don't speak for anyone but myself either. Amazing thing, isn't it?

Oops, I didn't see that you asked if I was Hindu..sorry, but considering that in this very thread you said that I didn't believe in a God and that one claim was the very basis of your declaring me intolerant, I must have forgotten that I taught you that lesson. However, you did say that some Hindu belief may not be understandable to me.

My religion does not tell me to treat entire people with hate and discrimination. You can keep claiming it does, but you're stupid, so that doesnt make any difference to me or the people of the Islamic faith. Just makes you stand out as a stupid, bigoted, racist, anti-Islamic person.

I'm not saying your religion as a whole makes you treat entire people with hate and discrimination. Anyways, you basically implied in the last thread that Islam is discriminatory towards women in that they could not be Imams, just like how in Catholocism a woman cannot be a priest. You are clearly a bigot.

I do not care about the caste system. Hindus practiced and practice it. They are still brahmins, kshatriyas, vaisyas, sudras and the untouchables. Many of my Hindu friends identify as being one or the other. Big deal. Those Hindus who didnt like practicing it opted out of their faith or spoke out against it. My ancestors were Kshatriyas. They converted.

I care about the caste system as it is revolting to be practiced in an official sense.

If non-Muslims didnt like paying Jizyah, they can enter military service, or leave the Muslim nation, or stand up and fight against their rulers. Apart from the first option, the others did not happen which is another reason of your claim being utterly ridiculous and stupid and shows your true nature. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you

Oh, what a great humanitarian you are!


Let me talk to your "Muslim" friends. Dont come up with your hollow claims. Let them call me the words you say they use to refer to me. Stop speaking for others!

Let me talk to your "Hindu" friends. Why would my friends want to talk to a fanatic?

I still thank God I didnt go to Vanderbilt

Good for you. I'm sure that there are many times more people that are happy that they did not go to a third rate insitution.

Islam as a religion has a rule for Muslims that you must pay Zakat. This rule does not apply for non-Muslims. Islam, not "society" has a rule that non-Muslims need to pay Jizyah and NOT Zakat which can be used for military purposes (hence you keep saying "protection") or to do whatever the government so desires. Non-Muslims will not appreciate having to follow a tenat of Islam. That is why they dont pay Zakat.

If Muslims must pay Zakat, then why must non-Muslims have to pay for something else or pay for a religious charity tax that they do not believe in? Why not just tax the entire population 2.5% instead and use it for general charity purposes? That would be much better.

I have not said it is ok to be a racist if you believe in racism. You are stupid and you speak for others. I hope this has been another valuable lesson for you to read and understand and not argue for the sake of argument. Idiot.

Yes, you have basically said that as long as you believe in racist beliefs, it is OK to be racist. You most likely have some sort of mental condition, Sultan. I feel sorry for you. You're living your entire life in hate.
 

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Nonsense. You can call one part of a system incorrect, but the rest can be fine. I am thoroughly amazed at your ability to look up and plagiarize words from dictionary.com, but the other definitions provided are fine as well. For example, the human body. One part may be defective, but the entire system is not.

Anyways, this clearly shows your fanaticism. You cannot question one part or else you are invalidating the entire system. This is a fundamental root of your bigotry.

Nonsense. Belief in a religion is in its entirety, not piecewise. Your example is rather stupid. If the heart is defective, it leads to death.

This clearly shows your lack of understanding of religion.

I am glad that I changed your view on that aspect of discrimination. To change you from wanting to tax non-Muslims more to this is quite an accomplishment for myself and for you.

Again completely irrelevant to what I said in the quoted statement. Subsequent to my first post, I had already corrected myself, and even though I corrected myself, you have still persisted with your accusation of Jizyah being discriminatory and calling me a bigot. You're quite stupid.

Being that you have openly stated that you support racism if you believe in racism, I am not suprised how you see that affirmative action is on the same level as slavery and racism. Bigotry runs deep within you.

Being that you continue putting words into my mouth, I am openly stating that I do not support racism even IF I believe in racism. I hope this is another valuable lesson to you to stop putting words into my mouth and speak for others. Stupidity runs deep within you. As regards to your rather ridiculous claim of calling something "affirmative action", I will only quote your own words: "I'm sorry, but any system that DISCRIMINATES between different groups is discriminatory. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up discriminate".

All of your examples before said that you supported a discriminatory tax. Now that you have changed your entire ideal, from the point of supporting higher taxes on non-Muslims to something less evil, it's not as bad. However, it should still be equal to all.

All of my examples before said that I supported Jizyah which is not discriminatory. But you are still unable to understand that statement.

You now are supporting Jizyah calling it something less evil which is not as bad. How ridiculous. It is not evil, I have already stated it can be lesser, higher, or equal as agreed to by the government and the non-Muslims, the same as the government can ask the Muslims to pay a higher tax for whatever purpose. Therefore I have not changed my ideal. This is another lesson for a retarded person not to speak for others and twist words to suit your own bigoted mindset.

You said why should I speak out against discrimination if I'm not discriminated against. Why should I speak out agaist the caste system if I am not under it? Why should I speak out aganst slavery if I am not under it? I have nothing to do with slavery or the caste system, but I should speak out against it. You are a great humanitarian. You clearly have the Nobel Peace Prize within your sights.

Both questions above still have not been answered. Also, please do not speak for me. Slavery is not a belief held by any religion, so to bring it up is beyond stupidness. I have no intention of joining the ranks of people like Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres by winning the Nobel Prize. Idiot.

Why do people have to complain about something for others to say the concept is discriminatory? Oh, another great humanitarian lesson from the great and benevolent Sultan.

Why do you have to complain and say a concept is discriminatory? Oh, another rather stupid and pointless statement put forth by the great cretin RabidMongoose.

How do you know that I have absolutely no knowledge of these religions? You don't. I am being critical of any part of any religion that is discriminatory. It's nice that you can hide behind your religion as an excuse for your hateful views, but the bottom line is that you are also a hateful person. You are a bigot. Plain and simple. You have no compassion for your fellow man. You are anti-Islamic and you are even more so anti non-Islamic.

Obviously you have no knowledge of Jizyah, and you still speak lowly of it. That proves beyond doubt you are not versed in Islamic injunctions. The bottom line is you are a bigoted, racist, anti-Islamic person who promotes intolerance and hatred towards a religion and its followers. Finally you have accepted Jizyah is part of Islamic faith and are now calling part of the faith as dicriminatory. I am glad you have learned something from all our "conversations". I am sure you will soon come to realize that Jizyah is not discriminatory.

The above statement that you wrote out bears no relevance to what I said in the quote you posted. Very stupid. Argue to what I say, not keep on crapping out useless information.

Anyways, you keep switching back and forth calling either me a bigot, part of the Islamic faith discriminatory, my views discriminatory and so on and so forth.

I don't speak for anyone but myself either. Amazing thing, isn't it?

Oops, I didn't see that you asked if I was Hindu..sorry, but considering that in this very thread you said that I didn't believe in a God and that one claim was the very basis of your declaring me intolerant, I must have forgotten that I taught you that lesson. However, you did say that some Hindu belief may not be understandable to me.

Excuse me, but I have quoted out many examples in which you have spoken for me, for your so-called Muslim friends, for Hindus, for Muslims and I dont know who else. Add mass-scale lying to your list of qualities.

That claim had nothing to do with declaring you intolerant, and I still dont know whether you believe in God. And its not my business. You are most welcome to hold your own beliefs. Your apology is accepted. I hope you have learned another valuable lesson.

I'm not saying your religion as a whole makes you treat entire people with hate and discrimination. Anyways, you basically implied in the last thread that Islam is discriminatory towards women in that they could not be Imams, just like how in Catholocism a woman cannot be a priest. You are clearly a bigot.

So you're saying PART of my religion makes me treat people with hate and discrimination while part of it makes me love them and have compassion for them? Are you high on something? Make up your mind. I did not imply anything of that sort. According to Islam, women cannot be imams and I do not find that discriminatory either. There are many women 'preachers' in Islam. Men cannot be mothers either. Do you claim God is discriminating against you too by making you unable to accomplish that? This is just another irrelevant answer that just makes you stand out as a stupid, bigoted, racist, anti-Islamic person.

I care about the caste system as it is revolting to be practiced in an official sense.

Good for you. I think you are quite unsatisfied with your life and feel this desire to speak for others, be it whether they as a collective people are satisfied with their beliefs or not.

Oh, what a great humanitarian you are!

Thank you. Another completely stupid statement that has no relevance to what I stated in what you quoted. This is another lesson for you to read and understand statements before replying to them. Stupid.

Let me talk to your "Hindu" friends. Why would my friends want to talk to a fanatic?

My Hindu friends do not use the words 'fundamentalist', 'fanatic' to describe you, and they claim that you are hiding behind religion to justify your bigotry and neither do I claim as such. Give me a reason why my Hindu friends would want to speak to a stupid, bigoted, racist, person like you who speaks for others and makes hollow claims and I'll immediately put you in touch with them.

Either put up or shut up with your fictional Muslim friends.

Good for you. I'm sure that there are many times more people that are happy that they did not go to a third rate insitution.

Good for them. I still thank God I didnt go to Vanderbilt

If Muslims must pay Zakat, then why must non-Muslims have to pay for something else or pay for a religious charity tax that they do not believe in? Why not just tax the entire population 2.5% instead and use it for general charity purposes? That would be much better.

So now you are trying to play God by telling the Muslims how things should be done? How fanatic can you be? I will repeat, Zakat is a RELIGIOUS obligation on the MUSLIMS. Non-Muslims need NOT pay Zakat because they are NOT followers of Islam. Therefore, to prevent discrimination AGAINST Muslims and to promote EQUALITY, non-Muslims pay Jizyah. They can OPT to pay Jizyah. They are EXEMPT to pay it if they join military service. Stop speaking for God now, thank you very much. Your suggestion should be given to Him, not me. Idiot.

Yes, you have basically said that as long as you believe in racist beliefs, it is OK to be racist. You most likely have some sort of mental condition, Sultan. I feel sorry for you. You're living your entire life in hate.

Again, you keep putting words into my mouth. You are quite retarded. Even AFTER I have claimed otherwise, you still insist that I hav said "as long as you believe in racist beliefs, it is OK to be racist". I think you need medical assistance. You're living your entire life in racism and bigotry and you are full of anti-Islam fervor.
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I would reply to you, but I'm much too busy trying to get you nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

I appreciate it, thank you very much.

Though I have already stated, I have no intention of joining the ranks of stupid people.

Another valuable lesson for you to read, understand and comprehend
 

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Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.
 

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Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.
Nearly every religion teaches some version of this, and Islam is certainly included in this group.

But I think the real question here is why both Israeli Jews and Palestinians continue an unresolvable war of violence and hatred against one another.
 

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Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.

I dont think Muslims as a whole hate Jews. The Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. More power to them.
 

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.

I dont think Muslims as a whole hate Jews. The Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. More power to them.

maybe your version of Islam teaches that. All humans are created equal and they are not better just because they were born rich or muslim. Thats racism.
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Aimster


I have a Quran right here in front of me with English translations and the translations you copied from your extremist website are incorrect and they twist everything around to make the religion look evil. Anyone can translate the Quran to English the way they see fit and obviously you are part of a people that want to brand Islam as an evil religion therefore you post the views you see just for your cause.

Why don't you go to a reliable webpage and get your information rather than a webpage that labels the religion as evil and changes words and meanings around to spread its goal. Go buy a Quran and write exactly what that it says for those Surahs and compare it to the quotes you just pasted.

Plenty of Muslims dont disagree with me. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. If they were all disagreeing with me all of us would be dead now. Stop judging the actions of a minority and basing it on the majority.
You view would be interesting . Why do the muslims hate the Jews ?

what kind of stupid question is that? so i expect that both you and the OP are also curious to know why white people hate black people? In the same manner, the oppression a minority seems to face in this country is indicative of white racism. how do we stop these evil white people from embracing their primitive cultural intolerance of diversity!...geez the dilemma this world faces. You guys speak of arab/islamic terrorism in the same manner and expect to provoke no anger...

only on anantech P&N can such an ignorant topic be posted and disputed at length. how blatantly bigoted can some of you people be to discuss something so shamefully moronic?

If a topic were started discussing jewish control of the media, suggesting an influence towards our opinions -- most likely the OP would be flamed to hell. If someone would post an article about french inferiority - they would be celebrated. You guys prance around waving your flags haughty in nature and claim you have the freedom to think for yourself in this country of unprecedented prosperity. nonetheless, american ideology influences you so heavily coupled with the "go-with-the-flow" attitude which hasn't shined as well since the rise of communism in the Soviet. For now, we have been taught to question islamic principles, and as always -- never question corporate america. unbelievable.
 

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
This question is flawed. It should read "Why do Arabs hate Jews". There are many non-Arab muslims who don't hate jews but you never hear of them or about them.


thanks for contributing to the thread, moron.
 

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.
Nearly every religion teaches some version of this, and Islam is certainly included in this group.

But I think the real question here is why both Israeli Jews and Palestinians continue an unresolvable war of violence and hatred against one another.


the funny thing is...even in christianity...the jews are "the chosen people"
 

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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.

I dont think Muslims as a whole hate Jews. The Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. More power to them.

maybe your version of Islam teaches that. All humans are created equal and they are not better just because they were born rich or muslim. Thats racism.

My "version" of Islam does not teach me to hate Jews. I hope your "version" does not teach you that either. It also does not tell me that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By observation, I can see that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By your own statement, since all humans are created equal, the Jews cannot be more selfish than a non-Jew, isnt it?
 

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Originally posted by: Sultan
My "version" of Islam does not teach me to hate Jews. I hope your "version" does not teach you that either. It also does not tell me that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By observation, I can see that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By your own statement, since all humans are created equal, the Jews cannot be more selfish than a non-Jew, isnt it?

In my observation, the only thing that distinguishes Jews from Non-jews is their religion. I know a few who have delusions of persecution which seem to be based on things that happened to their grandparents, but I think if they weren't jewish they would just have different insecurities instead (i.e. I htink they are naturally insecure, and being Jewish is just the outlet they're using).

Glad to see someone realizes that people are just people
 

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: hatim
Ill tell you why muslims hate jews. Jews are selfish. Thier religion teaches them that jews are special. And all other religions are low-life.

I dont think Muslims as a whole hate Jews. The Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. More power to them.

maybe your version of Islam teaches that. All humans are created equal and they are not better just because they were born rich or muslim. Thats racism.

My "version" of Islam does not teach me to hate Jews. I hope your "version" does not teach you that either. It also does not tell me that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By observation, I can see that the Jewish people are very intelligent, capable and hardworking people. By your own statement, since all humans are created equal, the Jews cannot be more selfish than a non-Jew, isnt it?

As 3chordcharlie said. the only thing that distinguishes jews is their religion. When they were born they were like any other human. Its what they were taught that made them jews first of all. You dont mind the jewish occupation of Palestine? You dont mind the threats to other coutries made by them? You dont mind their control of the world econmy by riba (interest)? You dont mind their hatred of other religions? You dont mind whatever mishcheiv they caused in history? Yes it was Prophet Ibrahim (Alaihissalam) that bought Jewism, but that was replace by christianity 2000 years ago. Now its changed. These people living in Israel are not even jews. They are zionnists.

And you were the one who said that even muslims teach that they are special. Now you are contradicting yourself. My guess; you are a wahabi.
 
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