Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.
I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?
Not that it matter in this discussion, but my kids go to a school that requires uniforms.
Studies have shown that school uniforms are beneficial to students.
I want the most bang for my buck for my tax dollars.
Hence, I am for school uniforms.
Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.[/quote]Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?
And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?
And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Around here a lot of tax payer dollars go into paying for stuff that private school students also use.And the private school sure gets deep sixed in favor of public once it turns out that the kiddie has some sort of developmental/learning disability.
OK lets take your argument to another level. Since I pay taxes for Roads and Highways I demand that all Riced out cars be banned from using them as they are a distraction and an eye sore![/quote]Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?
And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
You're not a very good listener. Do as you please, just don't bother me or ask me to pay for it.
As long as I'm being forced to pay for a serivce (which I don't use incidently), I have a right to demand what I wish.
Uniforms help academic performance. I want my money spent the wisest way possible, therefore I'm for school uniforms.
What part of my argument don't you get?
OK lets take your argument to another level. Since I pay taxes for Roads and Highways I demand that all Riced out cars be banned from using them as they are a distraction and an eye sore![/quote]Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?
And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
You're not a very good listener. Do as you please, just don't bother me or ask me to pay for it.
As long as I'm being forced to pay for a serivce (which I don't use incidently), I have a right to demand what I wish.
Uniforms help academic performance. I want my money spent the wisest way possible, therefore I'm for school uniforms.
What part of my argument don't you get?
How so? A bunch of people paying taxes for it, but you want to force users to meet some arbitrary standard on looks/efficency. Don't forget, wasting gas affects us all!Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
Are you? Doesn't seem like it.Originally posted by: Riprorin
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Around here a lot of tax payer dollars go into paying for stuff that private school students also use.And the private school sure gets deep sixed in favor of public once it turns out that the kiddie has some sort of developmental/learning disability.
Most private schools have far less resources than public schools. Why does it surprise you that in general private schools are less well equipped to deal with students who have special needs?
Can you be more specific about how tax payer dollars are supporting private schools?
Privatization would also lead to many more children not attending school. The costs of many private schools per student are astronomical. Public education is in place because every is entitled to a "somewhat" free educaction.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
Originally posted by: myputer
My son and I have gone round and round about this, and he always says Mom you are the one that taught me not to pass judgement on people, so does it really matter how I look? I'm a good person in nice clothes, and I'm still a good person in ripped up jeans.
Do they only listen to eventually use your own lines on you?!
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
So what governmental system do you propose we adopt, a Theocracy like they had at the Massachusetts Bay Colony?Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
If we weren't taxed to death, more parents could afford public education. Also, people would have more discretionary income to be philanthropic and help those in need.
Given our current system (which I obviously oppose), I don't think my position is ironic at all.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
If we weren't taxed to death, more parents could afford public education. Also, people would have more discretionary income to be philanthropic and help those in need.
Given our current system (which I obviously oppose), I don't think my position is ironic at all.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
OK lets take your argument to another level. Since I pay taxes for Roads and Highways I demand that all Riced out cars be banned from using them as they are a distraction and an eye sore!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?
And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
You're not a very good listener. Do as you please, just don't bother me or ask me to pay for it.
As long as I'm being forced to pay for a serivce (which I don't use incidently), I have a right to demand what I wish.
Uniforms help academic performance. I want my money spent the wisest way possible, therefore I'm for school uniforms.
What part of my argument don't you get?
Right. Giving a family bringing in $25,000 per year a 10% tax break will give them more than enough money to shell out $1000+ per month for private school and the requisite uniforms.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
If we weren't taxed to death, more parents could afford public education. Also, people would have more discretionary income to be philanthropic and help those in need.
Given our current system (which I obviously oppose), I don't think my position is ironic at all.
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Around here a lot of tax payer dollars go into paying for stuff that private school students also use.And the private school sure gets deep sixed in favor of public once it turns out that the kiddie has some sort of developmental/learning disability.
Most private schools have far less resources than public schools. Why does it surprise you that in general private schools are less well equipped to deal with students who have special needs?
Can you be more specific about how tax payer dollars are supporting private schools?
Around here there's a lot of "sharing" of resources of things like gyms,football fields because a lot of private schools can't afford to meet the state's PE requirements.
Btw,I personally think it really amusing that well heeled parents will withdraw their time and backing of public schools but suddenly get real interested in taxing the public system to the max when it turns out that little Susie is massively learning disabled and their elite private school doesn't want her there because she screws up their testing scores.
Not all middle class white families abandoned the public school system,some of us stayed around and provided parental support,imput and time as well as money to try to make the system a better one.
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Right. Giving a family bringing in $25,000 per year a 10% tax break will give them more than enough money to shell out $1000+ per month for private school and the requisite uniforms.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bad analogy.
The bigger issue is why do we have public education at all. Privatization would provide a lot more choices.
You are for choice and freedom, aren't you?
i imagine we have public education to provide an equal opportunity for children to receive an education if their parents can't afford a private education.
and isn't it ironic to support choice and freedom in the same thread you wish to prevent it with school uniforms?
If we weren't taxed to death, more parents could afford public education. Also, people would have more discretionary income to be philanthropic and help those in need.
Given our current system (which I obviously oppose), I don't think my position is ironic at all.
Oh wait.....no it won't.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Around here a lot of tax payer dollars go into paying for stuff that private school students also use.And the private school sure gets deep sixed in favor of public once it turns out that the kiddie has some sort of developmental/learning disability.
Most private schools have far less resources than public schools. Why does it surprise you that in general private schools are less well equipped to deal with students who have special needs?
Can you be more specific about how tax payer dollars are supporting private schools?
Around here there's a lot of "sharing" of resources of things like gyms,football fields because a lot of private schools can't afford to meet the state's PE requirements.
Btw,I personally think it really amusing that well heeled parents will withdraw their time and backing of public schools but suddenly get real interested in taxing the public system to the max when it turns out that little Susie is massively learning disabled and their elite private school doesn't want her there because she screws up their testing scores.
Not all middle class white families abandoned the public school system,some of us stayed around and provided parental support,imput and time as well as money to try to make the system a better one.
Wow. Not all private schools are elitist and worry only about test scores. Any not all parents of private school students are "well heeled". Most parents I know are sacrificing to send their kids to private schools.
Why do you begrudge parents who pull their kid out of private school because the school lacks the resources to deal with him? They are paying school tax, after all.
I guess that if you're opposed to private schools using public facilities, you should lobby the state to drop the PE requirement.