Why Do People Dislike Mormoms?

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Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: Bleep
Get yourself the book The Godmakers
It was written by a ex apostle and historian of the Mormon church. It is actually The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
bleep

You're full of crap. Do a google search on godmakers. It was written by baptists who wanted to bash mormons. No apostle---No historian. That book and the movie was a freakin joke full of misrepresentations. It is so bad as to be laughable. Anyone who would use that to judge Mormons isn't worth the time to correct.

what is the value of a man who knows the value of his actions, yet continues to pursue them anyway?
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: Bleep
Get yourself the book The Godmakers
It was written by a ex apostle and historian of the Mormon church. It is actually The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
bleep

You're full of crap. Do a google search on godmakers. It was written by baptists who wanted to bash mormons. No apostle---No historian. That book and the movie was a freakin joke full of misrepresentations. It is so bad as to be laughable. Anyone who would use that to judge Mormons isn't worth the time to correct.

Yea, they should use the book "No Man Knows my History" by Fawn Brodie.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679730540/qid=1053529723/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-9708393-6715335?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

What better source to judge the mormon religion than the man that founded the religion.

You can also consult such inspiring talks as those given by Boyd K. Packer an apostle of the church in 1981 to BYU students where he warned that:

"Your objective should be that they will see the hand of the Lord in every hour and every moment of the Church from its beginning till now....there is no such thing as an accurate or objective history of the Church which ignores the Spirit.... Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a very powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer..."

This warning was the speech that triggered excommunications for revelation of too much historical detail about the church and what got Fawn Brodie excommunicated.

The speech can be found here:

http://www.exmormon.org/disease.htm
 

SP33Demon

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Why do people dislike Mormoms?




Cuz Moremoms = more kids. And some people can't stand kids.
 

BranzLS

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Many of these people seem to reserve a special revulsion for the Mormons. According to them, Hell will be filled with these dispicable corruptors of true Christianity.

That is my point in making this post... I know so many people that say the same thing but they do not have a factual reason to back it up. I myself have even been caught saying that I do like them but then I start thinking and I am not sure why so I started to look around the net. Here is something interesting I came across... I am not sure it is $100% true, so you may correct it where it applies..

THE 17 ERRORS OF MORMONISM

THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES...

1. The universe is governed by a head god and his council. "The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world...In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it" (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, PP. 348-49).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

1. If there is somebody else up there managing things, the all-knowing God who created all things in the heavens doesn't know about it. Isaiah 42:5 defines Him as "God the lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein." In Isaiah 45:12 that same God says, "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

2. God has goddess wives. "This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in all plainness by the First Presidency of the Church" (Bruce R. McConkie, Apostle, Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

2. There is absolutely no mention of any wives of God. There will be no marrying in heaven (see Matthew 22:29, 30).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

3. God is limited by a physical body. "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (D&C, 130:22). "If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions, and therefore of limited extension and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits" (James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, p.43).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

3. The one true God is infinite. Any other "god" is a false god (see 2 Chronicles 6:18; Psalm 139:4-8; Jeremiah 23:24).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

4. There are many gods: "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it...In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, Founder and First Prophet, History of the Church, vol. 6,pp.308,474).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

4. There was, is, and always will be only one God (see Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6-8; 45:5,6,18-22; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:39; James 2:19).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

5. Jesus and Satan are brothers. "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God--Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

5. The real Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is God's son (John 1:1-14). Satan was a created angel--not a son of God (Isaiah 14:12). Jesus created all things, and in Him the fullness of God dwells! (see Colosians 1:15-20; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 1:1-13).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

6. Mary was not a virgin. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers...Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.547,742).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

6. Jesus was begotten by the Holy Ghost. Mary was indeed a virgin (see Matthew 1:19-23; Luke 1:35).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

7. Jesus was married. "Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed" (Orson Hyde, Apostle, Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

7. Jesus and His disciples were guests a Cana (John 2:2). Read John 2:1-12. This Mormon doctrine is generally not taught openly today. Marriage in a Mormon temple (called celestial marriage) is mandatory to progress to becoming a god in Mormonism. To fit the theology of Mormonism, the Mormon "Jesus" has to be married--or He would only be a ministering servant to those in Mormonism's heaven who have "celestial marriage."



"ATTAINING "GODHOOD"

THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

8. "God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form...like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man...he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 305).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

8. God was never a man. He created man! God has been God from all eternity to all eternity (see Psalm 41:13; 90:2; 102:25-27; Romans 1:22,23).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

9. Man may become god. "Here then is eternal life...to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you...To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 306).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

9. The great lie of Satan from the beginning was that man may become a god (see Genesis 3:1-5; Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:1-10).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

10. Total perfection is demanded. "We also have to forsake the sin and never repeat it, not even in our minds...In order to remain forgiven, we must never commit the sin again" (Discussion F, Uniform System for Teaching Families, pp. 35-36).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

10. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God: (Romans 3:23); "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12); and Galatians 2:21: "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

11. The black race is a cursed people. "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness, he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel" (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 102). (Although it became expedient for the Mormon church to open the Priesthood to blacks in 1978, the alleged revelation did not change Mormon doctrine regarding the penalty of being black. This revelation also directly contradicted established Mormon doctrine.)

THE BIBLE TEACHES

11. The color of a person's skin has no merit with God: "For there is no respect of persons with God" (Romans 2:11); and "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but to have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, father" (Romans 8:15). That includes all of us here on earth--black, white, red, or yellow, king or slave. All of us are made in God's image.



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

12. The Bible is incomplete and has serious errors. "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors--many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of which error and falsehood poured into the various churches. One of the great heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82, 83).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

12. The Bible is God's Word; and the word of God will stand forever (see Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 1:25).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

13. Except for the LDS Church, all churches are false. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; and those professors were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:19).

"This Church is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth: (D&C, 1:30). "There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

13. The church is the spiritual body of Christian believers with Jesus at its head. That is the true church--not any specific organization (see Ephesians 1:22,23; 2:11-16; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 12:12; Matthew 16:18).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

14. Joseph Smith was a holy prophet. "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-09).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

14. No prophet of God ever made a statement like Joseph Smith's. King Nebuchadnezzar had similar pride to Joseph Smith's. He was driven out by God to live with the animals (see Daniel 4:28-33).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

15. Prophets are above Scripture. "The living Prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works (Bible, BofM, etc.). The living Prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet (David, Moses, Isaiah, etc.). Those who would remove prophets from politics would take God out of government" (LDS prophet, President Ezra Taft Benson, address at Brigham Young University, Feb. 26, 1980).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

15. In these last days God speaks through His Son (Hebrews 1:1,2). The authority claimed by the Mormon Church is through an "Aaronic Priesthood," which cannot be valid since Jesus abolished it when He took its place (Hebrews 7:11-19; 8:6-13), and a "Melchizedek Priesthood," which never existed as any operative "priesthood." Jesus is our only High Priest in the likeness of Melchizedek--he alone holds this priesthood permanently (see Hebrews 7:15-28; 9:11-15).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

16. Mormons are also saviors. "We are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God; that we are the people God has chosen by whom to establish his kingdom and introduce correct principles into the world; and that we are in fact the saviours of the world..." (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 163).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

16. Over 500 verses deal with death, and over 300 deal with salvation. Not one verse even hints that we can be saviors of the dead. The Bible tells us in Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." Note that this isn't the Mormon concept, which states: "After this comes missionary lessons, a proxy baptism, and a series of Mormon ordinances that will allow you to become gods..."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

17. Joseph Smith will be our final judge. "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

17. Jesus said we would be judged by His word and made no mention of Joseph Smith. John 12:48 says, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." Paul referred to Christ as our judge--not Joseph.

Second Timothy 4:1 states, "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom."

 

athithi

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Originally posted by: Zrom999
Why Do People Dislike Mormoms?
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "A Study in Scarlet" (a Sherlock Holmes mystery) didn't do them any favors.

Awesome, awesome book. That and the Sign of Four.

EDIT: "The Sign of Four" has nothing to do with Mormons Just saying that I liked that book a lot too, though it probably propagated as many stereotypes about India
 

ConclamoLudus

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They are high profile fundamentalist scapegoats. I had a Mormon friend once and he was quite ashamed of it. I went to his church once and they made me sit outside while they did most of the service. Not very inclusive, at least his church wasn't. He and his parents were very nice people though. You wouldn't know that they were Mormons unless you got dragged to their church on Sunday morning.
 

przero

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tweakmm - So he was right about everyting but his religion? There a certain irony in bashing the key element in a man's life and then saying he was right about everything!
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: przero
tweakmm - So he was right about everyting but his religion? There a certain irony in bashing the key element in a man's life and then saying he was right about everything!
I don't believe in right and wrong, only truth.
 

BDawg

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I do take issue with this,

THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

7. Jesus was married. "Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed" (Orson Hyde, Apostle, Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

7. Jesus and His disciples were guests a Cana (John 2:2). Read John 2:1-12. This Mormon doctrine is generally not taught openly today. Marriage in a Mormon temple (called celestial marriage) is mandatory to progress to becoming a god in Mormonism. To fit the theology of Mormonism, the Mormon "Jesus" has to be married--or He would only be a ministering servant to those in Mormonism's heaven who have "celestial marriage."

There are plenty of Biblical scholars, Mormon, Christian, and secular who believe Jesus was married. Personally, I don't think it's to far outside the bounds to be true.
 

Nitemare

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I don't like people preaching to me about morality and ethics nor interrupting my goat sacrifices and pagan rituals
 

Alistar7

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they do smell funny though, you ever notice? Next time get up real close and take a nice deep sniff..... They smell like cheese.


































 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
they do smell funny though, you ever notice? Next time get up real close and take a nice deep sniff..... They smell like cheese.




One of my lab partners this semester was Mormon. He was cool because he did not try and convert me...

Everyone dislikes a goody 2shoes..They don't smoke, they don't drink, they don't engage in traditional sex before wedlock, they don't drink caffeine...they are Ned Flanders..everyone hates that, they are so boring.






























 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: BranzLS
First, let me start off by saying that I myself am NOT Mormom but was just wondering why people continually put down Mormoms... What are some valid reasons for not like Mormoms and/or their religion? I have searched the net, and I come across a lot of hate sites referring to this topic, and I have started to do a little reseach myself to see what is "wrong" with the Mormom religion. I am curious to hear what all of you think, and what your views are about the religion. Likes/Dislikes possibly with factual back up and just general information from either side of the argument.

Once again I am not Mormom, I am just curious why people seem to put down this religion because I'm sure their are valid reasons and "problems" with their beliefs, so post up your thoughts.

People tend to dislike\hate\mistrust\fear anything or anyone who is different. And the differences do not have to be major to justify genocide.

 

Spamela

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i have no problem with Mormons - they're fine as people & neighbors,
but their religious beliefs are a little out there, though.
 

Tom

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Like a religion that teaches there is an all powerful God that lets people get squished in earthquakes is not "out there" ?
 

JihadWarrior

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Jeez! Didn't any of you people watch South Park the Movie? Can't anyone remember that the mormons were the only ones to get into heaven???
 

BranzLS

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Originally posted by: Spamela
i have no problem with Mormons - they're fine as people & neighbors,
but their religious beliefs are a little out there, though.


Yes that is why I posed that long thing comparing the two religions.. to see what others thought and would say about it all. From the lack of responses, I take it that the post was correct?
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: BranzLS
Originally posted by: Spamela
i have no problem with Mormons - they're fine as people & neighbors,
but their religious beliefs are a little out there, though.


Yes that is why I posed that long thing comparing the two religions.. to see what others thought and would say about it all. From the lack of responses, I take it that the post was correct?

No, it was not correct. It is a gaggle of half truths and misrepresentations based on someone's desire to disprove one faith over that of another. :disgust:

If you want to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then go here. If you want to spend your time deliberatly misleading others by this method and spread more baseless lies, then carry on.You are so far doing a splendid job.


 
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