Why do people hate Jews?

[Bluefront]

Lets see here...We've come up with about eight different reasons to hate Jews (dumb or not), but not a single reason to love Jews. Too bad...

Here's one reason to Love.....Jews are human like everybody else.

Humm...so are Palestinians. But you wouldn't know it reading most of the posts on OT. In my own case, I don't hate Palestinians, which somehow makes me an anti-semite. Oh well....

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Some of the quotes in this thread truly disgust me. These are a people that have been collectively abused, rejected, killed and massacred over the course of 2000 years. To pin this aggregate hatred on one or two causes is ignorant and quite infantile.

although the individual German may not have been a bad person, most Nazis where into the whole world domination mass genocide... and although the individual Jew may just be a member of a religion, the whole of them belong to an elate organization that requires special religious practices and a birthright to be a part of.

The German persecution of the Jews was perpetrated by some very sick men, but the overall attitude towards them was more than just a "whole world domination mass genocide" thing. There is a prevaling undercurrent of hatred towards the Jewish people that still exists... Hitler just played off of it.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Bluefront
Lets see here...We've come up with about eight different reasons to hate Jews (dumb or not), but not a single reason to love Jews. Too bad...

That really is, considering the last time I checked, we didn't need a pros/cons list to justify treating a group of people like humans.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Tsk, Tsk, extra snide today, Red. What'd they, run out of kidney mush at the home for the aged?

Kidney Mush?Is that some sort of delicacy as the Passner residence?No wonder you feel persecuted, eating crap like that.

kidney mush?? i've had kidneys b4, and they were anything but mushy solid to the bite but not too hard. good stuff if prepared right kind of aldente(sp) i guess

 

[gar598]

People want what they don't have.

 

[Jimmyjammer]

Hmmm...been thinking about this.

Many jewish people claim they been unfairly treated/hated in different times, in different countries, whilst among different people. I can't think of another race of people that have been so vilified throughout history (but please enlighten me as I'm not 100% sure of any of this).

So the simple answer would seem to be that Jewish people can do one of two things:

1) They can claim hatred based on ignorance throughout the ages, in all these different countries among all these diverse peoples. Thus Jews are hated because of other's ignorance and they can wait for the world to change before they're left alone.

2) They can see that *something* they do or *something* about them leads people to dislike them and then decide to change whatever that is.

For those of you who indignantly think "Why the hell should I have to change when it's others who are ignorant, why don't they change???" ...My answer to that would be, fine! Don't change, and you'll see the same thing happening over and over again.


I concluded this based on not being aware of any other race through history who've been so universally disliked, but am 100% willing to re-evaluate my view if anyone can inform me otherwise.

It just seems like common sense to me. I'm not anti-semetic and I consider myself totally non-religious so amn't bias towards any particualar religion.

Personally I'd like to live life in peace and if that means comprimising some aspect of my belief's/culture then fine, especially if I can see that it annoys others. Maybe then the pogroms/death camps/persecution will not be so easily linked with jews.


An alternative to this above theory is that Jewish people were persecuted many years ago based on how they acted and lived back then. Through history an 'image' or perception or stereotype has been *unfairly* associated with Jews and they've been mistreated as a result.

If that's the case then fine, the world SHOULD change and my initial statement should be ignored.

I don't know for sure though, simple as that. I'll judge a person based on how I find them, not based on how history books say they should be or from what someone else whispers in my ear.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Passner: grow up, just because bluefront explains why one might hate another religion's practice doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Granted his comments in this thread were not very anti-semitic IMO, he has posted very racist statements in the past reguarding jews.

well i suppose it's a mod's job to give him a vacation if that was the case. any links?

i mean, where do you draw the distinction between "hate" and "dislike"? You can dislike the Jewish culture but not necessary want them to all die unlike the nazis. So far I haven't seen any remarks like that at all (except from true racists like scipionix who wants all palestinians dead) in this thread. I dislike some culture's practices/tradition because it doesn't follow my belief but it doesn't make me hate them. Treat people as individuals, not as a group.

 

[dribgnikcom]

Mind the idiotic atheist SnapIT. He's a Swede, they're all in A-rab la la land down there.

 

[somethingwitty]

Originally posted by: Bluefront
Lets see here...We've come up with about eight different reasons to hate Jews (dumb or not), but not a single reason to love Jews. Too bad...

Here's one reason to Love.....Jews are human like everybody else.

Humm...so are Palestinians. But you wouldn't know it reading most of the posts on OT. In my own case, I don't hate Palestinians, which somehow makes me an anti-semite. Oh well....

I didnt read the other posts after this one, so maybe this has been addressed...anways...

The problem with your logic is that there is no one reason to "love" any race or religion beyond the fact that they are human. Although I agree with your apparent viewpoint that all human life should be cherished, you seem to specifically be pointing out that jews in particular arent "loved" for any one reason...

now I'll grant the benefit of the doubt that you are simply making this point because this thread in particular is about jews, but still, the quote "not a single reason to love Jews. Too bad..." comes off rather sarcastic and, umm, dumb.

 

[Kanalua]

Why do people hate Jews?

you ever heard of the the bucket of crabs story? People hate it when other go out, work hard, and get ahead in life...

 

[Kanalua]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Not sure why people hate Jews, but I think it started before Charlton Heston led them out of Egypt.

haha

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kanalua

Why do people hate Jews?

you ever heard of the the bucket of crabs story? People hate it when other go out, work hard, and get ahead in life...

Very, very true...

 

[Bluefront]

somethingwitty, This thread is about "Why do people hate Jews", with odz apparently seeking an answer. At every turn, when someone tries to answer that question, he is labeled something, his every argument blasted. Ok by me....But. It remains that some people do hate Jews. The pro-Jewish people seem to deny there is any reason for the hate. But it's still there.

There are groups of people that don't have that sort of hate following them everywhere. If one could figure out why some people are "loved" more than others, perhaps one could apply the result to the answer to this topic. Hence the "What to love". We certainly know the hate exists, why not the "love"? Hate following a group of people for 2000 years? Hard to figure...

 

[ultimatebob]

I don't hate Jews, but there is just something inherently wrong with people who refuse to eat bacon or pork chops! People who don't eat good stuff like ham or baby back ribs on a regular basis just don't seem human to me

 

[somethingwitty]

Originally posted by: Bluefront
somethingwitty, This thread is about "Why do people hate Jews", with odz apparently seeking an answer. At every turn, when someone tries to answer that question, he is labeled something, his every argument blasted. Ok by me....But. It remains that some people do hate Jews. The pro-Jewish people seem to deny there is any reason for the hate. But it's still there.

There are groups of people that don't have that sort of hate following them everywhere. If one could figure out why some people are "loved" more than others, perhaps one could apply the result to the answer to this topic. Hence the "What to love". We certainly know the hate exists, why not the "love"? Hate following a group of people for 2000 years? Hard to figure...

As a jew myself (and presumably in the pro-jewish catagory ) my answer as to why we are hated is a certain amount of pride-pride that we've contributed a lot to society (whatever society that is at the time), pride that we maintain values (and this is not to say that other groups dont) such as education and Tikun Olam (essentially, fixing the world, being a doctor, making things better, etc), and, yes, pride in maintaining our customs and beliefs through years of persecution likely brought on in part by the fact that we do maintain our customs and beliefs...in other words-you have me as an example of a pro-jewish person who acknowledges we are hated, and admits that, in SOME instances and to SOME extent, it's for the very things that we take pride in; and considering the thousands of years we've lasted against many odds, i dont see that pride disappearing anytime soon.

that said, I still see a certain flaw in your logic...it's one thing to say group X is hated due to (fill in-success, maintaining customs/beliefs, bad timing/location, a combination of some of those, etc), but i dont think this is a question that can be turned around to why groups are loved...everyone should be loved, cherished, etc, and it seems more valid to ask why a group is hated than to ask why some are loved more than others.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I don't hate Jews, but there is just something inherently wrong with people who refuse to eat bacon or pork chops! People who don't eat good stuff like ham or baby back ribs on a regular basis just don't seem human to me

The tradition which you refer to is called Kosher. And its not only practiced by jewish people, but also by muslims and many others as well. I dont personally practice it though, im fond of sausage and bacon

 

[Mamoose]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: bmacd

Originally posted by: jhu
it's because they're really the illuminati

what's the illuminati?

-=bmacd=-

a secret society that controls the world

AKA: The U.S. Federal Reserve

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Mamoose

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: bmacd

Originally posted by: jhu
it's because they're really the illuminati

what's the illuminati?

-=bmacd=-

a secret society that controls the world

AKA: The U.S. Federal Reserve

AKA: Alan Greenspan

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: Mamoose

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: bmacd

Originally posted by: jhu it's because they're really the illuminati

what's the illuminati? -=bmacd=-

a secret society that controls the world

AKA: The U.S. Federal Reserve

AKA: Alan Greenspan

I thought that was the Tri-lateral Commission

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I don't hate Jews, but there is just something inherently wrong with people who refuse to eat bacon or pork chops! People who don't eat good stuff like ham or baby back ribs on a regular basis just don't seem human to me

The tradition which you refer to is called Kosher. And its not only practiced by jewish people, but also by muslims and many others as well. I dont personally practice it though, im fond of sausage and bacon

<--Practices the Laws of Kashrut. I'll prolly outlive you

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I don't hate Jews, but there is just something inherently wrong with people who refuse to eat bacon or pork chops! People who don't eat good stuff like ham or baby back ribs on a regular basis just don't seem human to me

The tradition which you refer to is called Kosher. And its not only practiced by jewish people, but also by muslims and many others as well. I dont personally practice it though, im fond of sausage and bacon

<--Practices the Laws of Kashrut. I'll prolly outlive you

<-- Will be picking the bacon pieces out of his teeth in his early grave

 

[Nefrodite]

i eat kosher hotdogs cuz kosher = no @ss meat!

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
i eat kosher hotdogs cuz kosher = no @ss meat!

I've never eaten anything else! Or bacon and pork for that matter. I have no idea what the stuff tastes like.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: somethingwitty

Originally posted by: Bluefront
somethingwitty, This thread is about "Why do people hate Jews", with odz apparently seeking an answer. At every turn, when someone tries to answer that question, he is labeled something, his every argument blasted. Ok by me....But. It remains that some people do hate Jews. The pro-Jewish people seem to deny there is any reason for the hate. But it's still there.

There are groups of people that don't have that sort of hate following them everywhere. If one could figure out why some people are "loved" more than others, perhaps one could apply the result to the answer to this topic. Hence the "What to love". We certainly know the hate exists, why not the "love"? Hate following a group of people for 2000 years? Hard to figure...

As a jew myself (and presumably in the pro-jewish catagory ) my answer as to why we are hated is a certain amount of pride-pride that we've contributed a lot to society (whatever society that is at the time), pride that we maintain values (and this is not to say that other groups dont) such as education and Tikun Olam (essentially, fixing the world, being a doctor, making things better, etc), and, yes, pride in maintaining our customs and beliefs through years of persecution likely brought on in part by the fact that we do maintain our customs and beliefs...in other words-you have me as an example of a pro-jewish person who acknowledges we are hated, and admits that, in SOME instances and to SOME extent, it's for the very things that we take pride in; and considering the thousands of years we've lasted against many odds, i dont see that pride disappearing anytime soon.

that said, I still see a certain flaw in your logic...it's one thing to say group X is hated due to (fill in-success, maintaining customs/beliefs, bad timing/location, a combination of some of those, etc), but i dont think this is a question that can be turned around to why groups are loved...everyone should be loved, cherished, etc, and it seems more valid to ask why a group is hated than to ask why some are loved more than others.

that's why no one should be categorized into one group. Some of you obviously don't know that many muslims. I have a couple of muslim friends and they don't hate Jewish people... I also have Jewish friends and they don't necessary hate muslims. No matter what religion/race believe in you're still a human therefore you shouldn't be categorized.

As far as maintaining your own customs in another country, if you respect the natives i think it's alright.

again, why hate? where is the love??

 

[Turkey]

I think it comes from economics (damn Marx was smart) and misunderstanding. There's a ton of symbolism in Judaism and a lot of it is visual, ie peyes (sp? the long sideburns), kipot (the skullcaps), covering faces in weddings, dancing apart in weddings, sitting apart in shul, etc. Many Jews are "obviously Jewish" meaning that they either have big noses or they display one of these symbols on their person pretty regularly, so when people see them but don't inquire about the symbolism they don't understand what's going on and start to mis-label them as, say, alcoholics or misogynists. Not to name any names (except one that starts with Bl and ends with uefront), but there are many ignorant people out there. I would say the misunderstanding is the big reason people hate the Jews... in general it's the big reason people hate groups of people.

There's also lots of times where people turn dislike for one object into dislike for a group of people. There's hate for a system: you have a lot of bad experiences with fraternity people, so you hate all fraternity people, when in reality you should just hate the system and the ones you've had bad experiences with . There's hate for countries: one country's policies towards another result in the economic state of the 2nd country doing down the tubes, so people in the 2nd country start hating all the people in the first country, when really you should just hate the policies and the leaders who implement them . Of course there's others but it's kind of hard to separate the social structures from the people who implement them, especially for un-educated people.