Why do people hate Obama?

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NeoV

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ooops Biff - maybe you should take that back, no? Slanted much?



Quite frankly, I think the answer is ignorance. I can't say enough about the polls on GOP voters taken this month in Alabama and Mississippi, that showed a scary high percentage still think Obama is a Muslim, they still think his birth certificate is a hoax, they still think black people shouldn't marry white people. I really don't think those views are limited to the deep south, they seem fairly wide-spread to me.

He's black, he has a foreign-sounding name, and people believe the lies that the GOP attack machine spreads.
 

FoBoT

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lots of different reasons
some people just disagree with his ideas about how govt should work
others are ideologues and hate him because he is Democrat/Progressive
ideologue:
An adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic
there are racists that hate him too
anarchists hate him because he represents the govt, but they don't care what he believes
 

xBiffx

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So Bush became President 1/2000 and his presidency ended 12/2007 and Obama took over in 1/2008? Come on man!

EDIT - Recrunched adding liberal bias:
All Bush
Average cost of regular 1/2001 - 12/2008 = $2.155
1st Term
Average cost of regular 1/2000 - 12/2003 = $1.572
2nd Term
Average cost of regular 1/2004 - 12/2008 = $2.738

All Obama to date
Average cost of regular 1/2008 - present = $2.311

Thanks for finding that error. Although the math was right for those dates, the dates were obviously wrong. Was crunching that while my boss was sitting in my cubicle, bit distracting. I wanted to post the link to the data though just in case. Again, glad you caught it.

Although I believe the numbers that you posted are still not right. Come on, surely us nerds should know a calculator by now. Here goes another try, now that I am not at work talking to the boss. Correction in bold.

All Bush
Average cost of regular 1/2001 - 12/2008 = $2.155
1st Term
Average cost of regular 1/2000 - 12/2003 = $1.572
2nd Term
Average cost of regular 1/2004 - 12/2008 = $2.738

All Obama to date
Average cost of regular 1/2009 - present = $2.920
 
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xBiffx

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ooops Biff - maybe you should take that back, no? Slanted much?

Not really. Was an honest mistake. The math was right for the dates, just wrong dates. Also, the numbers that dank69 posted were not quite right either. A number mistake can happen to anyone.
 

dank69

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Not really. Was an honest mistake. The math was right for the dates, just wrong dates. Also, the numbers that dank69 posted were not quite right either. A number mistake can happen to anyone.
Hey, I said I added a liberal bias, didn't I? ()

For real though I think I forgot to divide Obama's numbers by 38 instead of 48.
 

xBiffx

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Hey, I said I added a liberal bias, didn't I? ()

For real though I think I forgot to divide Obama's numbers by 38 instead of 48.

I was thinking you did mention that that when I was rechecking the numbers. :thumbsup:

It's all good, happens to us all. Back to the slide rule I guess.
 

trenchfoot

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I think a lot of people hate Obama because he is the proverbial victim of circumstances: He just so happened to be a Dem that followed in the footsteps of a Repub Admin that helped crash the economy into the deep deep hole that we're just now getting ourselves out of.

To this very day, many of those that supported the Bush Admin and believe(d) in the ideological principles that guided them, still insist to themselves that the failure they experienced and are directly/indirectly responsible for is not so much about that political ideology, but how that ideology was grossly abused and manipulated for personal gain by those that they put their trust and faith in and who were in control of the gov't leading up to the time of the economic crash. Human nature being the way it is, this circumstance is something that is hard or even impossible to admit to others, and especially to the self.

On the one hand, they cannot openly admit that the businessmen/women they put in office and crashed the economy did what their business-oriented mindset told them to: 1.) First and foremost, profit from any and all opportunities that they can create for themselves. 2.) Remove at all costs any and all impediments that obstruct the aforementioned First and foremost directive no matter the consequences. On the other hand, they cannot turn away from the ideology that caused so much suffering and of which they strongly believe in.

Caught in a quandry of being in denial and still having to remain faithful to their ideology and to those who they elected to implement it, many have chosen to project all of their angst and frustration on the only available and convenient person (Obama) and Party (Dems) they are able to choose from.

Far easier to blame others than to accept responsibility, learn from it and move on.
 
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xBiffx

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I think a lot of people hate Obama because he is the proverbial victim of circumstances: He just so happened to be a Dem that followed in the footsteps of a Repub Admin that helped crash the economy into the deep deep hole that we're just now getting ourselves out of.

To this very day, many of those that supported the Bush Admin and believe(d) in the ideological principles that guided them, still insist to themselves that the failure they experienced and are directly/indirectly responsible for is not so much about that political ideology, but how that ideology was grossly abused and manipulated for personal gain by those that they put their trust and faith in and who were in control of the gov't leading up to the time of the economic crash. Human nature being the way it is, this circumstance is something that is hard or even impossible to admit to others, and especially to the self.

On the one hand, they cannot openly admit that the businessmen/women they put in office and crashed the economy did what their business-oriented mindset told them to: 1.) First and foremost, profit from any and all opportunities that they can create for themselves. 2.) Remove at all costs any and all impediments that obstruct the aforementioned First and foremost directive no matter the consequences. On the other hand, they cannot turn away from the ideology that caused so much suffering and of which they strongly believe in.

Caught in a quandry of being in denial and still having to remain faithful to their ideology and to those who they elected to implement it, many have chosen to project all of their angst and frustration on the only available and convenient person (Obama) and Party (Dems) they are able to choose from.

Far easier to blame others than to accept responsibility, learn from it and move on.

Can I have some of what you are tweaking on? Poor Obama the victim. Forced into an unknown economic hardship against his will. What is this ideology drivel you speak of? Bush, the hardcore conservative? Never heard of him. Somehow, I am not quite sure that Fannie and Freddie fit within the ideology that you speak of. Oh right, Wall Street, I noticed how well Obama has cleaned up that cesspool and at the same time benefiting nothing from it.

That was top notch political hackery on your part. Good show. Too bad most of what you said had little to do with the previous admin and mostly to do with congress as whole, which happened to be made up of both Repubs and Dems, but mostly Dems. Each with their "ideology" to consider.

Well I guess some people do hate Obama just as much as you hate Bush.
 

trenchfoot

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Can I have some of what you are tweaking on? Poor Obama the victim. Forced into an unknown economic hardship against his will. What is this ideology drivel you speak of? Bush, the hardcore conservative? Never heard of him. Somehow, I am not quite sure that Fannie and Freddie fit within the ideology that you speak of. Oh right, Wall Street, I noticed how well Obama has cleaned up that cesspool and at the same time benefiting nothing from it.

That was top notch political hackery on your part. Good show. Too bad most of what you said had little to do with the previous admin and mostly to do with congress as whole, which happened to be made up of both Repubs and Dems, but mostly Dems. Each with their "ideology" to consider.

Well I guess some people do hate Obama just as much as you hate Bush.

You make some good points and I acknowledge that, thanks.

However, please don't deny/deflect from the fact that it was during the Bush Admin's watch at the helm that the economic meltdown occurred and that Obama was given the job of helping the nation recover from that disasterous turn of events. Of course, as you mentioned and of which I fully agree with, the Dems were partly implicit in the damage that occurred, but the bulk of the responsibility for the economic crash is rightly layed at the Bush Admin's feet, as well as the Repub owned House and Senate that rubber stamped every Bush edict that came their way.

Just as you would hold Obama responsible for how the current economic situation presents itself, so too should you hold Bush Corp. responsible for what happened during their hold over the gov't.
 

xBiffx

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You make some good points and I acknowledge that, thanks.

However, please don't deny/deflect from the fact that it was during the Bush Admin's watch at the helm that the economic meltdown occurred and that Obama was given the job of helping the nation recover from that disasterous turn of events. Of course, as you mentioned and of which I fully agree with, the Dems were partly implicit in the damage that occurred, but the bulk of the responsibility for the economic crash is rightly layed at the Bush Admin's feet, as well as the Repub owned House and Senate that rubber stamped every Bush edict that came their way.

Just as you would hold Obama responsible for how the current economic situation presents itself, so too should you hold Bush Corp. responsible for what happened during their hold over the gov't.

In no way is the Bush admin innocent, nor did I say that, but he didn't do it alone. I don't see anyone hating Obama for not continuing some of the Bush policies or "ideology" that they supposedly voted for back then.
 

boomerang

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I don't hate Obama but I do object to any in power who try to circumvent the fact that our government was created in such a way that the federal government had to live within expressly defined boundaries, and if a power is not granted, then it is a right reserved by the states and the people. Over time citizens have wanted things and ceded their rights. This has led to the concept that the Constitution is anything the government and those who support an agenda says it is. Obama has lamented that our Constitution limits his authority but that is mere formality. He has no respect for our founding document and therefore I have none for him.
Pretty well said. This is what makes him dangerous. This is why a second term could truly be a turning point for this country.

I don't see a lot of bigger picture thinking going on amongst the populace anymore. It's more along the lines of instant gratification and getting whatever can be gleaned for 'free'. It's both sad and disturbing that so few see this presidency for what it is. Having said that, a presidency like Obama's is just an accelerant for what's to come. Whether we get there quicker or slower is probably immaterial. We're going to get there either way. We forget the power that we the people have. We could change things but we'd have to quit playing angry birds.

When you're taught what's bad and what's good in school it's important to realize that the agenda you're being presented with is a means to raise the standard of living for the presenters. Independent thought is not taught anymore, collective thought is taught. We need both, but the scales have tipped too far in one direction.

A group of school kids at the Wisconsin capitol chanted, drowning out the union protesters at the capitol building this week. There may be hope yet.
 

Ketchup

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I think a lot of people hate Obama because he is the proverbial victim of circumstances: <snip>

I think it's interesting that you think 1 man can throw our country into utter chaos. President or no, we still have checks and balances, and I just don't see this happening. I can see a President contributing, but not outright causing such a thing.

But here is what led to the economic downturn (from Wikipedia):
As mortgage originators began to distribute more and more of their loans through private label MBS, GSEs lost the ability to monitor and control mortgage originators. Competition between the GSEs and private securitizers for loans further undermined GSEs power and strengthened mortgage originators. This contributed to a decline in underwriting standards and was a major cause of the financial crisis.

Investment bank securitizers were more willing to securitize risky loans because they generally retained minimal risk. Whereas the GSEs guaranteed the performance of their MBS, private securitizers generally did not, and might only retain a thin slice of risk. Often, banks would offload this risk to insurance companies or other counterparties through credit default swaps, making their actual risk exposures extremely difficult for investors and creditors to discern.

The shift toward riskier mortgages and private label MBS distribution occurred as financial institutions sought to maintain earnings levels that had been elevated during 2001-2003 by an unprecedented refinancing boom due to historically low interest rates. Earnings depended on volume, so maintaining elevated earnings levels necessitated expanding the borrower pool using lower underwriting standards and new products that the GSEs would not (initially) securitize. Thus, the shift away from GSE securitization to private-label securitization (PLS) also corresponded with a shift in mortgage product type, from traditional, amortizing, fixed-rate mortgages (FRMs) to nontraditional, structurally riskier, nonamortizing, adjustable-rate mortgages (ARMs), and in the start of a sharp deterioration in mortgage underwriting standards. The growth of PLS, however, forced the GSEs to lower their underwriting standards in an attempt to reclaim lost market share to please their private shareholders. Shareholder pressure pushed the GSEs into competition with PLS for market share, and the GSEs loosened their guarantee business underwriting standards in order to compete. In contrast, the wholly public FHA/Ginnie Mae maintained their underwriting standards and instead ceded market share.

The growth of private-label securitization and lack of regulation in this part of the market resulted in the oversupply of underpriced housing finance[20] that led, in 2006, to an increasing number of borrowers, often with poor credit, who were unable to pay their mortgages - particularly with adjustable rate mortgages (ARM), caused a precipitous increase in home foreclosures. As a result, home prices declined as increasing foreclosures added to the already large inventory of homes and stricter lending standards made it more and more difficult for borrowers to get mortgages. This depreciation in home prices led to growing losses for the GSEs, which back the majority of US mortgages. In July 2008, the government attempted to ease market fears by reiterating their view that "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play a central role in the US housing finance system". The US Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve took steps to bolster confidence in the corporations, including granting both corporations access to Federal Reserve low-interest loans (at similar rates as commercial banks) and removing the prohibition on the Treasury Department to purchase the GSEs' stock. Despite these efforts, by August 2008, shares of both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had tumbled more than 90% from their one-year prior levels.

So what did George W. Bush have to do with this?
 

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Pretty well said. This is what makes him dangerous. This is why a second term could truly be a turning point for this country.

I don't see a lot of bigger picture thinking going on amongst the populace anymore. It's more along the lines of instant gratification and getting whatever can be gleaned for 'free'. It's both sad and disturbing that so few see this presidency for what it is. Having said that, a presidency like Obama's is just an accelerant for what's to come. Whether we get there quicker or slower is probably immaterial. We're going to get there either way. We forget the power that we the people have. We could change things but we'd have to quit playing angry birds.

When you're taught what's bad and what's good in school it's important to realize that the agenda you're being presented with is a means to raise the standard of living for the presenters. Independent thought is not taught anymore, collective thought is taught. We need both, but the scales have tipped too far in one direction.

A group of school kids at the Wisconsin capitol chanted, drowning out the union protesters at the capitol building this week. There may be hope yet.

Stay in your bunker.
 

Jhhnn

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So what did George W. Bush have to do with this?

He preached the Ownership Society from the Bully Pulpit, along with self regulated banking in an international free trade environment, instructed regulators to spend their time exchanging lewd emails & surfing the net rather than interfere with any of it, and to enable it whenever possible.

Being a Bush era financial regulator was a bureaucrat's dream job, because the Boss told you not to do the job... Dubya's regulators in action, 2003-

http://dorkmonger.blogspot.com/2008/11/cutting-red-tape.html

Which OT, anyway. Why do people hate Obama? Because people they trust tell them to, authorities they believe in, no matter what. It's all right here-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
 

DucatiMonster696

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He preached the Ownership Society from the Bully Pulpit, along with self regulated banking in an international free trade environment, instructed regulators to spend their time exchanging lewd emails & surfing the net rather than interfere with any of it, and to enable it whenever possible.

Being a Bush era financial regulator was a bureaucrat's dream job, because the Boss told you not to do the job... Dubya's regulators in action, 2003-

http://dorkmonger.blogspot.com/2008/11/cutting-red-tape.html



Its funny that you place the blame entirely on Bush when there just were many liberals also pushing the "Ownership Society" and placing pressure on the Federal government to ease or modify lending rules for banks so that many minorities and low income people could be part of this "Ownership Society". In fact there many examples of proto-legislative examples that predate the Bush presidency such as the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) of 1977, etc in which government was pushed to loosen lending laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act


Which OT, anyway. Why do people hate Obama? Because people they trust tell them to, authorities they believe in, no matter what. It's all right here-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

Basically we all should be listening to you and your ilk telling us what to do instead right?
 
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Jhhnn

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Its funny that you place the blame entirely on Bush when there just were many liberals also pushing the "Ownership Society" and placing pressure on the Federal government to ease or modify lending rules for banks so that many minorities and low income people could be part of this "Ownership Society". In fact there many examples of proto-legislative examples that predate the Bush presidency such as the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) of 1977, etc in which government was pushed to loosen lending laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

False attribution, as usual, and a truly astounding level of denial-

http://www.businessweek.com/investi...t_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html

Basically we all should be listening to you and your ilk telling us what to do instead right?

You'll never listen to me, because you'd have to think to do it. Stick with Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly & the rest, because they'll confirm what you already believe, tell you what you want to hear, ever provide targets for your hatred & frustrations. What could be easier?
 

werepossum

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False attribution, as usual, and a truly astounding level of denial-

http://www.businessweek.com/investi...t_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html



You'll never listen to me, because you'd have to think to do it. Stick with Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly & the rest, because they'll confirm what you already believe, tell you what you want to hear, ever provide targets for your hatred & frustrations. What could be easier?
No offense dude, but he'll never believe you because you're an idiot. You're quoting left wing blogs as some sort of proof at the same time you're denouncing people who believe people who confirm what they already believe. Hint: Barney Frank and Chris Dodd weren't leading the charge to make sure Bush did nothing about the looming crisis as a favor to Bush. This was a fully bipartisan crash.

Clues - get one, kemo sabe.
 

narreth

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On the rising oil price issue - isn't that simply linked to the increase in global demand since 2009, and has nothing to do with Obama?
 

DucatiMonster696

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False attribution, as usual, and a truly astounding level of denial-

http://www.businessweek.com/investi...t_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html

This is complete drivel.

The point which is being made and that you are blatantly ignoring is that the housing bubble which eventually collapsed (and was bound to collapse) through 2006-2009 did not start under Bush and banks have long since been under pressure to lower or modify their lending requirements to adhere to federal mandates long before the Bush administration was voted into office.

Furthermore one could also point to the repeal of Glass-Stegall under Clinton's watch in 1999 to add more weight to this argument that there were proceeding polices that effected banks and eventually their lending policies in addition to other legislative polices such as the CRA.

In addition there is also the matter of politicians such as Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who also had played their roles in pursing legislation to loosen or modify lending regulations, especially in relation to on the of largest government sponsored entities, Fannie Mae & Freddi Mac who made and held a significant amount of bad loans which contributed to the events which you have brought up.

You'll never listen to me, because you'd have to think to do it. Stick with Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly & the rest, because they'll confirm what you already believe, tell you what you want to hear, ever provide targets for your hatred & frustrations. What could be easier?


LOL - This coming from one the most entrenched left-wing partisan hacks on this forum.
 
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FoBoT

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On the rising oil price issue - isn't that simply linked to the increase in global demand since 2009, and has nothing to do with Obama?

and speculation and the de-valuing of the US dollar

it had nothing to do with Bush in 2008 either
 

Jhhnn

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No offense dude, but he'll never believe you because you're an idiot. You're quoting left wing blogs as some sort of proof at the same time you're denouncing people who believe people who confirm what they already believe. Hint: Barney Frank and Chris Dodd weren't leading the charge to make sure Bush did nothing about the looming crisis as a favor to Bush. This was a fully bipartisan crash.

Clues - get one, kemo sabe.

When you can't dispute the content of a link, just dismiss it as "Leftist" & dismiss it. Rush would be proud.

Barney Frank & Chris Dodd were members of the minority party in congress when the majority party also held the White House. It's not as if they had any actual, you know, *Power*, but the Bush Admin did, and used it to enable & cheerlead the greatest financial flimflam since the 1920's, another period of time when Republicans held sway.

This was obviously unsustainable, but they cheered it on when they had a variety of mechanisms they could have used to blunt it-

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/08/26/weekinreview/27leon_graph2.html

Oh, wait- Repubs were *Ideologically Opposed* to govt intervention in the sacred free market of boom & bust, to regulation of the financial sector in general, and the results are all around us. But they still believe! Their faith holds strong!

Rank and file conservatives have been chumped for decades, but they simply can't bring themselves to admit it, but they do need somebody to blame, somebody else, and Obama is the obvious choice.

Why, he wasn't even born in this country, and he used islamofascist Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control to trick the lootocracy of Republicanism into robbing us blind, right?
 

Zebo

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To right wing and in the banks pockets. I don't hate him though and I wouldn't admit it if I did or he might send one of his assassins after me or lock me up forever w/o due process.
 
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cybrsage

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To right wing and in the banks pockets. I don't hate him though and I wouldn't admit it if I did or he might send one of his assassins after me or lock me up forever w/o due process.

He would kill you with a drone attack. American citizens are not guarenteed trials prior to being killed by the government. I dare you to show me even one scrap of legal documentation that says American citizens have the right to due process.
 

NeoV

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I think you meant to say 'drivel', not 'dribble'...

cyber, you are still pissed off that we offed an american citizen in the middle east who was a member of Al-Q?
 
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