Why do people hate Vista?

[Mem]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
My only knock on vista was it's performance with cpu intensive tasks. I wasn't knocking ms, I was just saying that if the opposite were true, and vista outperformed xp, ms would use it as a selling point for vista. And they don't.

They don't need too,they are only competing with themselves if they did,as I said they win eitherway.

Microsoft are more concerned with the benefits of Vista over XP rather then mere performance(that will get better with time as drivers performance is tweaked,just like XPs ones have had almost 7 years of tweaking and fine tuning).

 

[Hyperblaze]

As mentioned above, the UAC, although that can be disabled.

There is also DRM.

Other then that, don't really care much about the operating system.

I will say however, that their tab browsing feature is pretty damn cool.

I'm pretty much back to my non-caring mood. Use whatever fits your requirements and fvck the rest.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
My only knock on vista was it's performance with cpu intensive tasks. I wasn't knocking ms, I was just saying that if the opposite were true, and vista outperformed xp, ms would use it as a selling point for vista. And they don't.

Microsoft isn't going to advertise performance increases because most people don't really understand computer benchmarks and more importantly they are more difficult to explain then saying things like "Vista is more secure." Also I don't think you can use an article published in late January (almost 5 months ago) as proof that Vista is slower now, on release the drivers were a bit iffy but now they are generally very stable and performance is on par with XP levels in most cases.

Also I using Photoshop CS2

 

[engineereeyore]

I know a lot of people feel it's bloated, and it's hard to argue against that when my install is 15-16GB. However, in Window's defense, OS X doesn't have to support nearly as much hardware. But at the same time, I do wish you had more options on what you do or don't want installed when you first install the OS. I don't need things like Movie Maker and Calendar and Address Book. And uninstalling those things in Vista doesn't seem to be as easy as "I" think it should be.

Other than that, I think it's great. I tried earlier beta versions and wasn't too impressed, but I think they did a good job on their final releases.

 

[JiveCoolie]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I know a lot of people feel it's bloated, and it's hard to argue against that when my install is 15-16GB. However, in Window's defense, OS X doesn't have to support nearly as much hardware. But at the same time, I do wish you had more options on what you do or don't want installed when you first install the OS. I don't need things like Movie Maker and Calendar and Address Book. And uninstalling those things in Vista doesn't seem to be as easy as "I" think it should be.

Other than that, I think it's great. I tried earlier beta versions and wasn't too impressed, but I think they did a good job on their final releases.

You know.. I agree with you. Id love to know how to uninstall some default programs that come with the O/S

and agree once more they should have added some options during install as to what we want.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

600 different versions.
Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram.
Works like crap on laptops.
Forced updates.
Same old legacy NTFS file system.
Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on.
Cancel or Allow for everything.
It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: NicColt

?Microsoft will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software.? It will once again ?send information about (whatever software) . . . version and product key of the software, and the Internet protocol address of the device.? to Microsoft."

Whithin Microsoft's right it will not ask, it 'will' validate. It will then without asking 'send' the information that you do not get to see back to Microsoft.

so explain how some people i know have been running the same pirated install since december without a single problem.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
As mentioned above, the UAC, although that can be disabled.

There is also DRM.

Other then that, don't really care much about the operating system.

I will say however, that their tab browsing feature is pretty damn cool.

I'm pretty much back to my non-caring mood. Use whatever fits your requirements and fvck the rest.

DRM is not bad. if it wasnt there people who purchase drm protected content wouldnt be able to use it.

otherwise you never ever see anything about drm in vista.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Forced updates.

where are the forced updates?

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
For processor intensive apps, your comp will take longer to complete the same task under vista. If you just surf the web and edit word docs, vista is fine so long as you can find drivers.

Complete lie, any others made up statements you'd like to share?

 

[zig3695]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
600 different versions. - how many exactly?
Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram. - goes away after a couple good days of use. its learning and organizing for future situations
Works like crap on laptops. - wrong. try turning off transparancy
Forced updates. - i can turn off updates, maybe you should try vista sometime so you know what it does.
Same old legacy NTFS file system. -you would have been more pissed if they forced a buggy WinFS down our throat.
Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on. - sleep works great for me, plus the hybrid sleep feature is a big improvement
Cancel or Allow for everything. - turn uac off.
It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times. - yes, that is the sole reason people are upset. microsoft hyped the wrong features. they should have marketed stability, security and ease of use much much more then they did as thats what they concentrated on when making vista

 

[zig3695]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
For processor intensive apps, your comp will take longer to complete the same task under vista. If you just surf the web and edit word docs, vista is fine so long as you can find drivers.

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sigh.....

 

[mcturkey]

My only gripe with Vista has been driver issues. It's one thing to not have drivers for older hardware, but when I buy something because the manufacturer web site says it supports Vista, and then after hours upon hours of wrangling with it the damn thing still isn't working, I get kind of irritated. I had to dig through the Windows folder to finally locate the correct driver for my Logitech USB headset, which Windows refused to recognize at all. I've still been unable to get my Logitech Harmony remote to be recognized by Vista, despite other people being able to get it to work just fine.

Aside from that, I can't really complain much about Vista. UAC is something that software needs to be updated to properly handle, and I applaud Microsoft for actually trying to make a secure OS. The problem is that most software written for it assumes by default that it has total authority over everything, just like under XP. So until more programs are updated to properly support this, I'm keeping UAC prompts disabled. Of course, in all my years of using computers, I've never had any problems with spyware, adware, viruses or anything else, despite not using AV software.

 

[mcturkey]

Originally posted by: JiveCoolie

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I know a lot of people feel it's bloated, and it's hard to argue against that when my install is 15-16GB. However, in Window's defense, OS X doesn't have to support nearly as much hardware. But at the same time, I do wish you had more options on what you do or don't want installed when you first install the OS. I don't need things like Movie Maker and Calendar and Address Book. And uninstalling those things in Vista doesn't seem to be as easy as "I" think it should be.

Other than that, I think it's great. I tried earlier beta versions and wasn't too impressed, but I think they did a good job on their final releases.

You know.. I agree with you. Id love to know how to uninstall some default programs that come with the O/S

and agree once more they should have added some options during install as to what we want.

I seem to recall older versions of Windows giving those options.. 3.1 I think... Or maybe as recent as 95? Ah, well, in the effort to streamline the installation process and make it easier for total newbies to get started with it, they just install everything by default. That said, it should be easier to remove stuff we don't want.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: JiveCoolie
I see people state they will not purchase a game because they will never buy Vista and that specific game is Vista-Only.. that is what really grinds my gears! -peter griffin

If it grinds your gears, you gotta relax and take a pill man!

Kidding. This soundsl like one those comments people make when they can't stand anyone having a different opinion. I don't know, just me I guess. I'm so tired from my night shift, I'm going to bed right now.

 

[nweaver]

because they don't like it....it's called an opinion, and everyone gets one, even if it's different then yours/sucks/is not based on anything real.

 

[bigrash]

I'm very happy with Vista, but coming from OSX I can see where they got their inspiration from .

But like I said, overall I'm very happy with it.

 

[Raduque]

Come back troll! *waves some food at SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
600 different versions.

There's only 4 SKUs that matter in the states: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate

Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram.

It's called Superfetch, and it pwns your face.

Works like crap on laptops.

No. No it doesn't. Well, it does if your laptop is crap.

Forced updates.

Forced updates? No more so then in XP. Turn off Automatic Updates and you'll be able to manage updates the same as XP.

Same old legacy NTFS file system.

Big deal, the searching and indexing is a hundred times faster and more efficient.

Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on.

User error.

Cancel or Allow for everything.

You can turn off UAC

It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times.

Again, big deal. The end result is a satisfying experience. It's the first OS I've bought since Windows 95!

 

[Genx87]

It is amazing how many luddites there are in the computer related communities.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: Raduque
Come back troll! *waves some food at SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
600 different versions.

There's only 4 SKUs that matter in the states: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate

You forgot 32 and 64 bit are separate.

Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram.

It's called Superfetch, and it pwns your face.

It pwns? how is that, I can barely do anything until it stops and it doesn't for a while

Works like crap on laptops.

No. No it doesn't. Well, it does if your laptop is crap.

Asus S96J with 2 gb of ram, x1600 Mobile, CoreDuo sucks? I also tried it on a Dell with a GeforceGo 6800, 2 gbs of ram, and a Centrino processor.

Forced updates.

Forced updates? No more so then in XP. Turn off Automatic Updates and you'll be able to manage updates the same as XP.

I wasn't aware of that. The system didn't last long enough on my system for me to change it anyways

Same old legacy NTFS file system.

Big deal, the searching and indexing is a hundred times faster and more efficient.

They were raving about a new filesystem and it gets dumped. Microsoft needs to close their lids until features are delivered

Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on.

User error.

User error? I put the lid down and it's supposed to sleep. That's how it worked in XP.

Cancel or Allow for everything.

You can turn off UAC

But then you get the venerable system as usual or maybe that's a feature??

It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times.

Again, big deal. The end result is a satisfying experience. It's the first OS I've bought since Windows 95!

Good for you, I'm glad I didn't, I got it through a membership for free.



It's also a joke here where I'm interning at. No one in the IT area will be installing it for a while.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: mcturkey

Originally posted by: JiveCoolie

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I know a lot of people feel it's bloated, and it's hard to argue against that when my install is 15-16GB. However, in Window's defense, OS X doesn't have to support nearly as much hardware. But at the same time, I do wish you had more options on what you do or don't want installed when you first install the OS. I don't need things like Movie Maker and Calendar and Address Book. And uninstalling those things in Vista doesn't seem to be as easy as "I" think it should be.

Other than that, I think it's great. I tried earlier beta versions and wasn't too impressed, but I think they did a good job on their final releases.

You know.. I agree with you. Id love to know how to uninstall some default programs that come with the O/S

and agree once more they should have added some options during install as to what we want.

I seem to recall older versions of Windows giving those options.. 3.1 I think... Or maybe as recent as 95? Ah, well, in the effort to streamline the installation process and make it easier for total newbies to get started with it, they just install everything by default. That said, it should be easier to remove stuff we don't want.

I think even 98 gave options on what you wanted to install while installing, iirc. However, with XP I could add/remove some Windows components throught add/remove programs. The same does not appear to be the case in Vista, though I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: JiveCoolie
The only reason to hate Vista in my eyes is the lack of decent drivers.. and that is already almost no longer an issue.

But still.. everywhere I go I see people knocking Vista. Why? I have YET to read a decent criticism with facts at hand.. Mostly what I see is people stating they don't like it.. they don't know why they don't like it but they are sure they hate it.

Get decent hardware and Vista really shines.

People really need to get facts for themselves and stop taking word of mouth as such.

Also note that I don't mean people on the AnandTech boards.. people here have common sense. (thats why I use these boards)

But mainly when visiting gaming forums and such, when I see people state they will not purchase a game because they will never buy Vista and that specific game is Vista-Only.. that is what really grinds my gears! -peter griffin

its a resourse hog.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: nerp
It's cool to hate MS. Facts and first hand experience get in the way of being cool.

An idiot running linux is still an idiot.

And you have the courage to say 33 Million people worldwide are all idiot. Who is more ?
I never saw Linux Server Boxes causing problems or stopping productivity like Windows Machines.

Vista here in Brazil does not accept printers like C500n Color laser printer until SP1, what can you told for Vista business Users that used Ubuntu and XP previously without problems ?


1- Your software is calling Winhlp32.exe wich is not a part of Vista system.
2- The software winhlp32 is prohibited to be redistributed, because does not attend Microsoft Standards. You will have to ask your vendor for an upgraded version of your help files "
3- Click here to validade and download WinHelp32 if you reaaaaaaaly need...
4- Validade WGA code done.
5- Download ? Yes.
6- Turn back to message 2 until you desist.

You cannot copy winhelp32 from other machines as stated by Microsoft because this will violate EULA. Hmmmm, what can I say to business users ?

I cannot help you, and since Vista is Vista, call them for me please...

0800-I-HATE-MICROSOFT

Solve your problems with them, my ears are tyred of hearing problems with Vista.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram.

It's called Superfetch, and it pwns your face.

It pwns? how is that, I can barely do anything until it stops and it doesn't for a while

You probably don't have enough ram. Even with Superfetch pre-caching everything (which it rarely does now, after about two weeks of using) on 2gb ram, it was extremely snappy and responsive.

Works like crap on laptops.

No. No it doesn't. Well, it does if your laptop is crap.

Asus S96J with 2 gb of ram, x1600 Mobile, CoreDuo sucks? I also tried it on a Dell with a GeforceGo 6800, 2 gbs of ram, and a Centrino processor.

Maybe it is does your hands. I used it perfectly fine on a Pentium-M 2.26, 1gb, ATI x300 and 60gb 4500rpm HD laptop.

Forced updates? No more so then in XP. Turn off Automatic Updates and you'll be able to manage updates the same as XP.

I wasn't aware of that. The system didn't last long enough on my system for me to change it anyways

Your loss.

Same old legacy NTFS file system.

Big deal, the searching and indexing is a hundred times faster and more efficient.

They were raving about a new filesystem and it gets dumped. Microsoft needs to close their lids until features are delivered

Again, big deal. It's disappointing, yes, but ambitious features gets dropped from software all the time. Rumor has it, Fiji/SP1 is going to add it back in anyway. Also supposed to add in native HD-DVD and Blu-ray playback.

Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on.

User error.

User error? I put the lid down and it's supposed to sleep. That's how it worked in XP.

It worked for my laptop. While I had it enabled. I don't want the damn thing to sleep every time I shut the lid.

Cancel or Allow for everything.

You can turn off UAC

But then you get the venerable system as usual or maybe that's a feature??

*sigh People like you are never happy "It wants permission for everything! Vista sucks!"
"So turn it off"
"But then the system is teh vulnerables! Vista sucks!"
:disgust:

It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times.

Again, big deal. The end result is a satisfying experience. It's the first OS I've bought since Windows 95!

Good for you, I'm glad I didn't, I got it through a membership for free.



It's also a joke here where I'm interning at. No one in the IT area will be installing it for a while.

You seriously need to learn to quote. If you can't be bothered to spend some time correctly formatting your post, I'm not doing it again for you. Don't bother replying if you're not going to use correct quote tags.

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
its a resourse hog.

"Resource"

Originally posted by: greylica

Originally posted by: nerp
It's cool to hate MS. Facts and first hand experience get in the way of being cool.

An idiot running linux is still an idiot.

And you have the courage to say 33 Million people worldwide are all idiot. Who is more ?

Reading Comprehension, ftw! He wasn't calling all Linux users an idiot, he's saying an idiot is an idiot regardless of the OS.

1- Your software is calling Winhlp32.exe wich is not a part of Vista system.
2- The software winhlp32 is prohibited to be redistributed, because does not attend Microsoft Standards. You will have to ask your vendor for an upgraded version of your help files "
3- Click here to validade and download WinHelp32 if you reaaaaaaaly need...
4- Validade WGA code done.
5- Download ? Yes.
6- Turn back to message 2 until you desist.

You cannot copy winhelp32 from other machines as stated by Microsoft because this will violate EULA. Hmmmm, what can I say to business users ?

So, because somebody has a badly-coded program that doesn't call the help subsystem correctly, it's Vista's fault? Your logic is flawless.

BTW, winhlp32.exe launches the Windows Help and Support Center just fine.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: greylica

Originally posted by: nerp
It's cool to hate MS. Facts and first hand experience get in the way of being cool.

An idiot running linux is still an idiot.

And you have the courage to say 33 Million people worldwide are all idiot. Who is more ?
I never saw Linux Server Boxes causing problems or stopping productivity like Windows Machines.

Vista here in Brazil does not accept printers like C500n Color laser printer until SP1, what can you told for Vista business Users that used Ubuntu and XP previously without problems ?


1- Your software is calling Winhlp32.exe wich is not a part of Vista system.
2- The software winhlp32 is prohibited to be redistributed, because does not attend Microsoft Standards. You will have to ask your vendor for an upgraded version of your help files "
3- Click here to validade and download WinHelp32 if you reaaaaaaaly need...
4- Validade WGA code done.
5- Download ? Yes.
6- Turn back to message 2 until you desist.

You cannot copy winhelp32 from other machines as stated by Microsoft because this will violate EULA. Hmmmm, what can I say to business users ?

I cannot help you, and since Vista is Vista, call them for me please...

0800-I-HATE-MICROSOFT

Solve your problems with them, my ears are tyred of hearing problems with Vista.

And my eyes are tired of your incessant uneducated whining and Windows bashing.

Please tell me what in Vista SP1 will magically make your printer work properly again? Don't you mean that d-r-i-v-e-r support from the manufacturer is lacking? This is one of the largest problems with Vista systems, lack of good drivers, and it's not Vista's fault.

If you are having problems with winhelp32 access that means that the program using it is poorly coded or an end user was f-v-cking with the system. Not Vista's fault.