Why do people hate Vista?

[teclis1023]

Back to the original post....

Why do people hate Vista?

I'm not sure I 'hate' Vista, but I'm sure as heck not particularly impressed with it either. Not when I can fire up my Macbook and have it outperform my desktop with 4 times as much RAM and a quad-core processor. Not when I can fire up my linux box and manipulate the system to do exactly what I need/want. I run Vista, XP, Ubuntu and OS-X, and it's sad that Microsoft wasn't able to bring anything new or revolutionary to the table. Vista hasn't made my computing experience more efficient. It hasn't made my computer more secure.

I am having serious driver issues with the x64 edition, even though I have the official nvidia drivers! I'm having hardware incompatibilities, even though all of my hardware is officially compatible with eachother AND with Vista.

I WANT to like Vista. I'm sure I will, someday. But right now it's just not where it needs to be to impress me.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Back to the original post....

Why do people hate Vista?

I'm not sure I 'hate' Vista, but I'm sure as heck not particularly impressed with it either. Not when I can fire up my Macbook and have it outperform my desktop with 4 times as much RAM and a quad-core processor. Not when I can fire up my linux box and manipulate the system to do exactly what I need/want. I run Vista, XP, Ubuntu and OS-X, and it's sad that Microsoft wasn't able to bring anything new or revolutionary to the table. Vista hasn't made my computing experience more efficient. It hasn't made my computer more secure.

I am having serious driver issues with the x64 edition, even though I have the official nvidia drivers! I'm having hardware incompatibilities, even though all of my hardware is officially compatible with eachother AND with Vista.

I WANT to like Vista. I'm sure I will, someday. But right now it's just not where it needs to be to impress me.

I have to disagree with your post,Vista x64 Nvidia drivers I find are solid(I even installed the beta ones and they are fine), I also use a nforce 4 board with latest nvidia chipset drivers,as to security its a known fact Vista has better security then XP,memory handling is also more efficient,I could go on etc.. but you see my point.


FYI I also use odd hardware like USB bluetooth,USB DTV tuner,ColorVison Spyder2Express USB monitor calibration device to name a few,drivers are all solid in those areas's too.
My full USB list of hardware that all runs fine in Vista x64.

USB Canon i865 printer
USB Trust 56k modem(backup to BB)
USB External DVD Lite-On burner
USB Bluetooth Trust BT-2100p(Toshiba chipset)
USB 7 Port External Powered hub NEC chipset
USB Thrustmaster Firestorm gamepad
USB ColorVision Spyder2Express
USB 4GB Readyboost PeakHardware Drive.
USB Keyboard
USB Razer DiamondBack mouse
USB MP4 player(4GB).
USB 256mb thumb drive
USB Leadtek DTV Tuner
USB Flash card reader(XD and SD)
USB LG KG810 phone
USB connection for Olympus C-770 digital camera
USB 4 port built-in on my Belinea 10 20 35w monitor 20" WS LCD.









I don't know what your problem is but does not sound like its an OS problem.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Mem
FYI I also use odd hardware like USB bluetooth,USB DTV tuner,ColorVison Spyder2Express USB monitor calibration device to name a few,drivers are all solid in those areas's too.
My full USB list of hardware that all runs fine in Vista x64.

USB Canon i865 printer
USB Trust 56k modem(backup to BB)
USB External DVD Lite-On burner
USB Bluetooth Trust BT-2100p(Toshiba chipset)
USB 7 Port External Powered hub NEC chipset
USB Thrustmaster Firestorm gamepad
USB ColorVision Spyder2Express
USB 4GB Readyboost PeakHardware Drive.
USB Keyboard
USB Razer DiamondBack mouse
USB MP4 player(4GB).
USB 256mb thumb drive
USB Leadtek DTV Tuner
USB Flash card reader(XD and SD)
USB LG KG810 phone
USB connection for Olympus C-770 digital camera
USB 4 port built-in on my Belinea 10 20 35w monitor 20" WS LCD.

Dang Mem, you will probably be the first person I have know of to wear out a USB port through use...

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Mem
FYI I also use odd hardware like USB bluetooth,USB DTV tuner,ColorVison Spyder2Express USB monitor calibration device to name a few,drivers are all solid in those areas's too.
My full USB list of hardware that all runs fine in Vista x64.

USB Canon i865 printer
USB Trust 56k modem(backup to BB)
USB External DVD Lite-On burner
USB Bluetooth Trust BT-2100p(Toshiba chipset)
USB 7 Port External Powered hub NEC chipset
USB Thrustmaster Firestorm gamepad
USB ColorVision Spyder2Express
USB 4GB Readyboost PeakHardware Drive.
USB Keyboard
USB Razer DiamondBack mouse
USB MP4 player(4GB).
USB 256mb thumb drive
USB Leadtek DTV Tuner
USB Flash card reader(XD and SD)
USB LG KG810 phone
USB connection for Olympus C-770 digital camera
USB 4 port built-in on my Belinea 10 20 35w monitor 20" WS LCD.

Dang Mem, you will probably be the first person I have know of to wear out a USB port through use...

I have a USB lighted mouse pad too which I forgot to put on the list.

 

[grrl]

I don't hate Vista, but I'm not looking to upgrade because I have a lot of old software that won't run on it. Personally, 2K does everything I need it to.

 

[ShawnD1]

I can't believe people are bitching about the amount of space used by system restore (or Time Machine on the Mac). If they piss you off so much, simply turn them off. This problem is really not that complicated. Same thing with basically any security features. If UAC bugs you, turn it off. If the firewall is blocking your P2P program or something, turn it off. If a virus scanner is preventing you from running a game crack, turn it off. Don't willingly keep features enabled then bitch about how well they do their jobs.

 

[Pabster]

Story here.

This is why. FUD spreaders in the mainstream media.

From this article:

IF you?re the owner of a Windows PC who is looking for a replacement computer, the choices are grim. You can step into the world of hurt that is Vista, the latest version of Microsoft Windows that was released in January. Or you can seek out a new machine that still comes loaded with the comparatively ancient Windows XP.

 

[turrican2097]

Most people don't hate a software package. They just ignore those excessive and emotive reactions, and use what they *really* want, need or can afford. Linux, Mac, XP or Vista.

Only fanboys of some kind love or hate Vista.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

This is why. FUD spreaders in the mainstream media.

From this article:

IF you?re the owner of a Windows PC who is looking for a replacement computer, the choices are grim. You can step into the world of hurt that is Vista, the latest version of Microsoft Windows that was released in January. Or you can seek out a new machine that still comes loaded with the comparatively ancient Windows XP.

Yeah the media when Vista first came out effectively treated Vista as a prettier XP which anyone who has used Vista knows is untrue however a lot of people seemed to get the impression that Vista offers nothing. Which of course played into everyone's favorite anti-Microsoft storyline that Microsoft is a money-grubbing monster that seeks to take over the world which in turn gave rise to and made people more susceptible to some of the scare tactics like the DRM nonsense and similar.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Well I'll go from the first comment on this thread and skip all the rest. I just did my first install of Vista. Install was total cake. A 4 year can do it.
Using Vista though...
ugg, I am pulling my hair out :|

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

This is why. FUD spreaders in the mainstream media.

From this article:

IF you?re the owner of a Windows PC who is looking for a replacement computer, the choices are grim. You can step into the world of hurt that is Vista, the latest version of Microsoft Windows that was released in January. Or you can seek out a new machine that still comes loaded with the comparatively ancient Windows XP.

Yeah the media when Vista first came out effectively treated Vista as a prettier XP which anyone who has used Vista knows is untrue however a lot of people seemed to get the impression that Vista offers nothing. Which of course played into everyone's favorite anti-Microsoft storyline that Microsoft is a money-grubbing monster that seeks to take over the world which in turn gave rise to and made people more susceptible to some of the scare tactics like the DRM nonsense and similar.

A lot of people forget how old XP is,Vista was long overdue.People always like to bitch and moan about something new or a change,they will always look at its faults first and avoid the good points.Vista has matured over the last 8 months with regards to drivers/bug fixes via Windows Update etc...to be frank Vista was released in a better state then XP ever was in its very first year.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when Vienna is released,do we get the same cycle of comments and FUD etc....we shall see.

 

[turrican2097]

A few folks miss the point. Example: a reason why some gamers can't use Vista:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=4

8800gtx 2900XT 8800gts320 2600xt 8600gt
DX9: 141 141 89 55 38
DX10: 55 40 48 15 14


Yes one can have decent fps on Vista with an high end machine. But I don't own an high-end card.
People have to make tradeoffs, in the US, on Western Europe, much more on Eastern Europe, South America and Asia. On some countries, for a lot of people a Via based PC would be a blessing.

Yes, I agree that some Vista features are a breakthrough. Some others are useless. Everything is debatable here, everyone has his personal requirements and opinion.

What is ludicruous and unnaceptable is strongly advocating something that can become very expensive, and trying to influence others to make a purchase, when they don't have a clue if for those people it will have good benefits for the cost.

And btw, I do not allow any man to criticize me, claiming that I "hate" and spread FUD against a particular sequence of a few millions of CPU instructions, just because I'm poor.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Mem
A lot of people forget how old XP is,Vista was long overdue.People always like to bitch and moan about something new or a change,they will always look at its faults first and avoid the good points.Vista has matured over the last 8 months with regards to drivers/bug fixes via Windows Update etc...to be frank Vista was released in a better state then XP ever was in its very first year.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when Vienna is released,do we get the same cycle of comments and FUD etc....we shall see.

It is almost guaranteed the same cycle of comments and FUD will spread about Windows Seven when it is released. I was an early adopter of both XP and Vista and the comments are almost per batem the exact same.

I do agree that Vista is in better shape at this time than XP was even a year after it's release. SP1 for XP fixed a lot of issues that people were having when it was first released. Everyone I know running Vista now are having far less problems than they did with XP.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
A few folks miss the point. Example: a reason why some gamers can't use Vista:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=4

8800gtx 2900XT 8800gts320 2600xt 8600gt
DX9: 141 141 89 55 38
DX10: 55 40 48 15 14


Yes one can have decent fps on Vista with an high end machine. But I don't own an high-end card.
People have to make tradeoffs, in the US, on Western Europe, much more on Eastern Europe, South America and Asia. On some countries, for a lot of people a Via based PC would be a blessing.

Yes, I agree that some Vista features are a breakthrough. Some others are useless. Everything is debatable here, everyone has his personal requirements and opinion.

What is ludicruous and unnaceptable is strongly advocating something that can become very expensive, and trying to influence others to make a purchase, when they don't have a clue if for those people it will have good benefits for the cost.

And btw, I do not allow any man to criticize me, claiming that I "hate" and spread FUD against a particular sequence of a few millions of CPU instructions, just because I'm poor.

I don't by any means have a high end machine and I get great frames with Vista. You can build a system with similar specs to mine for around $500 USD. You could not even hardly find a low end computer for that price when XP was released.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
A few folks miss the point. Example: a reason why some gamers can't use Vista:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=4

8800gtx 2900XT 8800gts320 2600xt 8600gt
DX9: 141 141 89 55 38
DX10: 55 40 48 15 14

Huh? What do DX10 benchmarks have to do with Vista for gamers? Just because Vista has DX10 doesn't mean all games running on Vista will use DX10, if your video card can't handle/doesn't support DX10 (most video cards today) then don't use DX10 its just that simple.

 

[tatteredpotato]

I just installed Vista Home Premium on my PC (AMD 4600, 2gigs of RAM, X1800XT 512meg) and it runs like a charm. My only issue has been with Media Center syncing the guide with my Cable.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
A few folks miss the point. Example: a reason why some gamers can't use Vista:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=4

8800gtx 2900XT 8800gts320 2600xt 8600gt
DX9: 141 141 89 55 38
DX10: 55 40 48 15 14


Yes one can have decent fps on Vista with an high end machine. But I don't own an high-end card.
People have to make tradeoffs, in the US, on Western Europe, much more on Eastern Europe, South America and Asia. On some countries, for a lot of people a Via based PC would be a blessing.

Yes, I agree that some Vista features are a breakthrough. Some others are useless. Everything is debatable here, everyone has his personal requirements and opinion.

What is ludicruous and unnaceptable is strongly advocating something that can become very expensive, and trying to influence others to make a purchase, when they don't have a clue if for those people it will have good benefits for the cost.

And btw, I do not allow any man to criticize me, claiming that I "hate" and spread FUD against a particular sequence of a few millions of CPU instructions, just because I'm poor.

I strongly disagree. Until last Feb, I had an ASRock Dual board and ran a GT6800...and I gaem...it wasnt terrible. No worse than with XP. But, like with anyone and Vista, YMMV.

 

[Rottie]

I don't hate Vista but I hate Billy Gates for being the world richest man in the world. Why can't I be rich like him?

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Rottie
I don't hate Vista but I hate Billy Gates for being the world richest man in the world. Why can't I be rich like him?

Because you are not the worlds biggest a**hole.

 

[XBoxLPU]

I tried Vista for a few days but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

First off the lack of proper Nvidia drivers forced me to either stay with 97.46 (very old) or upgrade to the latest WHQL but by doing so I had screen corruption whenever UAC prompts pop up and a few other various places. Problem solved by elevating UAC without prompts yes. But the performance in games were slower than I could take compared to Windows XP. Performance period was to slow compared to what I experience in Windows XP. I don't know what it is but the OS just seems sluggish and chunky. The same multi CPU extensivie tasks that are crisp and fast on Windows XP just are slower and I notice them for sure.

It isn't my hardware, maybe poor driver support yes. Via + Nvidia

Asrock 4Core 775
C2D E4400 @ 2.8Ghz
2GB of PC3200DDR
6800 Ultra

 

[soonerproud]

XBoxLPU: That screen corruption from UAC is called protected mode and is a feature of UAC that darkens the screen until you respond to the prompt.

 

[XBoxLPU]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
XBoxLPU: That screen corruption from UAC is called protected mode and is a feature of UAC that darkens the screen until you respond to the prompt.

No it is screen corruption

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=30678

http://forums.viaarena.com/mes...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU

Originally posted by: soonerproud
XBoxLPU: That screen corruption from UAC is called protected mode and is a feature of UAC that darkens the screen until you respond to the prompt.

No it is screen corruption

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=30678

http://forums.viaarena.com/mes...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Ok, I see it is a issue with AGP cards. I have a PCIE 7600GT so that issue has never affected me personally.

 

[XBoxLPU]

An issue with Nvidia AGP cards...

 

[soonerproud]

Yes, read the forum posting you linked to. All the cards are AGP.