Why do people hate Vista?

[turrican2097]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
I just installed Vista Home Premium on my PC (AMD 4600, 2gigs of RAM, X1800XT 512meg) and it runs like a charm. My only issue has been with Media Center syncing the guide with my Cable.

No wonder!

I honestly miss the point of posts like "I have a good rig and Vista runs great on it"

 

[turrican2097]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I strongly disagree. Until last Feb, I had an ASRock Dual board and ran a GT6800...and I gaem...it wasnt terrible. No worse than with XP. But, like with anyone and Vista, YMMV.

Depends on the game I guess. I hope Unreal Tournament 3 runs fine on Vista

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I tried Vista for a few days but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

First off the lack of proper Nvidia drivers forced me to either stay with 97.46 (very old) or upgrade to the latest WHQL but by doing so I had screen corruption whenever UAC prompts pop up and a few other various places. Problem solved by elevating UAC without prompts yes. But the performance in games were slower than I could take compared to Windows XP. Performance period was to slow compared to what I experience in Windows XP. I don't know what it is but the OS just seems sluggish and chunky. The same multi CPU extensivie tasks that are crisp and fast on Windows XP just are slower and I notice them for sure.

It isn't my hardware, maybe poor driver support yes. Via + Nvidia

Asrock 4Core 775
C2D E4400 @ 2.8Ghz
2GB of PC3200DDR
6800 Ultra

I can never really understand this,Nvidia drivers are decent now( they have had good 7-8 months) anyway I'm just going to paste my post from a different thread so you 'll see my point .

I'm still using 163.33s betas,might try the 163.67 real soon.


My current game list installed on Vista x64,all games working fine .

Bioshock
BG2+exp pack
BG+exp pack
DnL
SWG
KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Jedi Academy
Jedi Outcast
9 Dragons
WoW+ exp pack
Archlord
Might & Magic 8
Stalker
Silverfall
Morrowind+ exp packs
Oblivion+Shilvering isles
Two Worlds
Prey
UFO-Afterlight
NWN2
Starcraft+exp pack
UFO-Exterrestrials
UFO-Alien Invasion
XCOM-Enforcer
Vanguard
LOTRO
Anarchy Online
UT2004
Space Rangers 2
Steam(DoD,TFC,HL ,CS etc...)
Space Force Rogue Universe.

I have a few more installed but you get the idea .

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Btw with UAC enabled you should get a very brief black/darken screen(then that fades) with prompt message to allow the software/game in question to run,no big deal,click allow or cancel.

AGP cards is a different story according to your link,AMD cards are fine and it seems to be only with Via /Nvidia AGP combo,my best guess is some sort of conflict between the two,however its not Vista's fault.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: turrican2097

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I strongly disagree. Until last Feb, I had an ASRock Dual board and ran a GT6800...and I gaem...it wasnt terrible. No worse than with XP. But, like with anyone and Vista, YMMV.

Depends on the game I guess. I hope Unreal Tournament 3 runs fine on Vista

It did for me

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
I honestly miss the point of posts like "I have a good rig and Vista runs great on it"

How about the opposite end? My laptop is a 1.6Ghz Celeron M, 1gb ram, Intel 945 graphics. Runs like a charm. It obviously can't play games, but it does everything else ok. If vista causes your system to lag, it means your system is a piece of crap from 10 years ago.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: turrican2097
I honestly miss the point of posts like "I have a good rig and Vista runs great on it"

How about the opposite end? My laptop is a 1.6Ghz Celeron M, 1gb ram, Intel 945 graphics. Runs like a charm. It obviously can't play games, but it does everything else ok. If vista causes your system to lag, it means your system is a piece of crap from 10 years ago.

Agreed. Vista is mind-blowingly fast on my opteron box and on my Celeron M 440 laptop with 1GB of ram and Intel 945 chipset, it, like you, runs like a charm. In fact it often surprises me with its responsiveness and performance.

 

[turrican2097]

1) I need to tweak Vista, but I having already a very decent experience out of the box. I'll play a few games and benchmark a few things though

2) I have a good enough rig:
Core2Duo @ 3GHz, 2GB Mem, 8600GT @ 660/1674/879

3) What does

I honestly miss the point of posts like "I have a good rig and Vista runs great on it"

got to do with

If vista causes your system to lag, it means your system is a piece of crap from 10 years ago.

?

4) Where do you see me complaining about lag? Maybe the exception here is that I could have a better graphics card, I just can't afford it. It would be very expensive and I have other priorities.

5) How does the fact that *your* laptop runs Vista quite well, should force others to accept that *theirs* does not, without complaining?

6) Talking about games, there will be trade-offs. I want all the performance of my rig, to be used by UT3. I'm not going to let an OS (be it XP, Vista or Linux), drivers or apps, stand in the way of the FPS and image quality that I want or can achieve for my game.
I own the card, the OS and soon UT3. If it lags on a OS, too bad for the OS, not the game
The point of it while playing is being a layer between the hardware and the game. I DO NOT allow it to be anything else.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
6) Talking about games, there will be trade-offs. I want all the performance of my rig, to be used by UT3. I'm not going to let an OS (be it XP, Vista or Linux), drivers or apps, stand in the way of the FPS and image quality that I want or can achieve for my game.
I own the card, the OS and hopefully will have the game. If the game lags on a OS, too bad for the OS, not the game
The point of it while playing is being a layer between the hardware and the game. I DO NOT allow it to be anything else.

What I think everyone is trying to say is there will be no performance hit from using Vista, initially there was because of poor drivers however Vista today performs every bit as well as XP.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: turrican2097
5) How does the fact that *your* laptop runs Vista quite well, should force others to accept that *theirs* does not, without complaining?

I think his point was that there might be something other than Vista going on there. If your computer runs like crap by all means complain. When you go to troubleshoot there is a variable already eliminated for you.

 

[turrican2097]

Note, I understand people's points. But I said:

I need to tweak Vista, but I having already a very decent experience out of the box.

Where did I say that *my* computer runs like crap?

I'm talking about thousands of people where Vista runs like crap. Can you ignore what people are saying on forums, companies, computers bought last year, Dells, HP, bought on non-enthusiast stores, not bought for games, etc...

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: turrican2097

I'm talking about thousands of people where Vista runs like crap. Can you ignore what people are saying on forums, companies, computers bought last year, Dells, HP, bought on non-enthusiast stores, not bought for games, etc...

Many people also have no idea how to set up and fine tune a windows installation though. I haven't installed Vista yet, hope to do that by the end of the month, but I've tweaked XP Pro many times.

Thus far, my only experiences with Vista were in Beta 1 and a friend's laptop. His 1.6Ghz Celeron M, Radeon Xpress IGP, and 512MB RAM ran Vista slower than molasses in January, taking a few minutes to finish loading the desktop after logging on. After I played with it a big, removed McAfee AV and turned off all the GUI features mainly, it ran quite well.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: turrican2097

I'm talking about thousands of people where Vista runs like crap. Can you ignore what people are saying on forums, companies, computers bought last year, Dells, HP, bought on non-enthusiast stores, not bought for games, etc...

Many people also have no idea how to set up and fine tune a windows installation though. I haven't installed Vista yet, hope to do that by the end of the month, but I've tweaked XP Pro many times.

Thus far, my only experiences with Vista were in Beta 1 and a friend's laptop. His 1.6Ghz Celeron M, Radeon Xpress IGP, and 512MB RAM ran Vista slower than molasses in January, taking a few minutes to finish loading the desktop after logging on. After I played with it a big, removed McAfee AV and turned off all the GUI features mainly, it ran quite well.

Another point is average Joe does not know how to install drivers or even bother to install anti-virus software etc ,I actually know some online gamers(a few in WoW I use to know that don't know how to or even have an AV installed ) that can't do these simple things or even bother,and yes they have had problems,but hey its XP/Vista's fault not the user right???? :frown: .

Even with XP you need some good basic PC knowledge to set it up right ,sad thing is , its easier to blame the OS rather then the user.
Any OS in question is not perfect but neither are people.

Yes I tend to ignore a lot of people,too much FUD and crap out there,at least with an OS you know where you stand,people are a different matter.

 

[gizbug]

Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

Most people that are happy with Vista won't be saying anything,it's like always, only when people have problems or want to make a negative comment/review about Vista,you know what they say no news like bad news.

Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

End of the day only your own real experience really matters,they can be wrong if you are happy with Vista,remember everybodys experience will be different,what's the most important one?..That's easy your own like I said above.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

It wasn't an article, it was an opinion peice, big difference.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

I'll refer you to the topic summary:

"All I see is a bunch of bandwagoning"


I don't know who "ALL" those people are so I can't say if they are right or wrong. I can only tell you that Vista is running great for me and XP now seems crusty.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: gizbug
Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

I'll refer you to the topic summary:

"All I see is a bunch of bandwagoning"


I don't know who "ALL" those people are so I can't say if they are right or wrong. I can only tell you that Vista is running great for me and XP now seems crusty.

Yea, I love my Vista. It has a couple of small annoying problems, but even if they were never fixed I'd prefer it to XP by a long shot.

 

[ArchAngel777]

From a tech point of view, both in support and for use with my home PC, I happen to dislike 'new' things.

I cannot tell you how much I dread when my company is going to fully support Vista... That means I have to not only remember Win95/98/ME/XP/NT/2K/SVR2K/SVR2K3, but now I get to commit Windows Vista to memory. Now, I love learning and playing with new toys, but the question is: what does Vista offer than XP does not? From the business persective, not much. Which is why many businesses have absolutely no plans to move to Vista until MS forces them too.

As a tech, the only reason I see myself upgrading to Vista is for DX10. I don't care so much for all the flashy stuff and so on.

In the end, I don't hate Vista. I just wanted more from it... They said it was going to come with a new and improved file system. Well, it didn't.

But even so, give me one good reason to upgrade to Vista with my current computer? Why spend $400 for retail vista ultimate only to use up one of my two installs? So, the next PC I build I could use it and bingo, now I lost my ability to upgrade my computer and install Vista without buying a new copy. This was a very crappy move in my opinion...

So, no thanks... So far DX10 doesn't bring anything new the table in real world applications. Sure, slightly better shadows, maybe a few more particles, but DX9 is good enough for me until I am forced into a new computer or OS.

FYI - I have a FULL RETAIL COPY of Vista Ultimate. But will not install it until I build my new PC. I don't want to use one of my two activations :thumbsdown:

 

[bsobel]

FYI - I have a FULL RETAIL COPY of Vista Ultimate. But will not install it until I build my new PC. I don't want to use one of my two activations :thumbsdown:

I love these rants especially when the posters own themselves. There is no activation limit on Ultimate Retail, you can simply only have it installed on one machine at a time. Given your post, there is NO reason you couldn't later upgrade to a third machine.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: bsobel

FYI - I have a FULL RETAIL COPY of Vista Ultimate. But will not install it until I build my new PC. I don't want to use one of my two activations :thumbsdown:

I love these rants especially when the posters own themselves. There is no activation limit on Ultimate Retail, you can simply only have it installed on one machine at a time. Given your post, there is NO reason you couldn't later upgrade to a third machine.

Really? Everywhere I read said that it could only be installed on two machines for the life of the product. is Ultimate Except from this? I never read anywhere that it was...

Did some searching and found this article... It looks like you are right! I actually read the license agreement 4 months ago and I know for a fact that I seen the limitation that they mentioned here that was revised... Which strikes me as strange... Was I reading an outdated TOS/EULA? In any case, the article I linked too was way back to around a year ago... Surprised I missed it. I wonder how many other people do not know about the revision to the activation limit...

In any case, I didn't appreciate your low blow, to but I do appreciate you informing me that my information on Vista activation was outdated and incorrect.

You are a mod, but I still think your comment borderlined on a personal attack. That says more about you than me, though.

In any case, thanks!

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: bsobel

FYI - I have a FULL RETAIL COPY of Vista Ultimate. But will not install it until I build my new PC. I don't want to use one of my two activations :thumbsdown:

I love these rants especially when the posters own themselves. There is no activation limit on Ultimate Retail, you can simply only have it installed on one machine at a time. Given your post, there is NO reason you couldn't later upgrade to a third machine.

Really? Everywhere I read said that it could only be installed on two machines for the life of the product. is Ultimate Except from this? I never read anywhere that it was...

No versions of retail have this restriction. Microsoft *considered* it prior to the Vista launch but decided against it. The EULA says "You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices."

Bill

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: bsobel

FYI - I have a FULL RETAIL COPY of Vista Ultimate. But will not install it until I build my new PC. I don't want to use one of my two activations :thumbsdown:

I love these rants especially when the posters own themselves. There is no activation limit on Ultimate Retail, you can simply only have it installed on one machine at a time. Given your post, there is NO reason you couldn't later upgrade to a third machine.

Really? Everywhere I read said that it could only be installed on two machines for the life of the product. is Ultimate Except from this? I never read anywhere that it was...

Microsoft recanted on that proposal in the license and changed it back to the way it was in xp before the RTM.

ars technica

TechBlog

 

[Cutthroat]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
From a tech point of view, both in support and for use with my home PC, I happen to dislike 'new' things.

I cannot tell you how much I dread when my company is going to fully support Vista... That means I have to not only remember Win95/98/ME/XP/NT/2K/SVR2K/SVR2K3, but now I get to commit Windows Vista to memory. Now, I love learning and playing with new toys, but the question is: what does Vista offer than XP does not? From the business persective, not much. Which is why many businesses have absolutely no plans to move to Vista until MS forces them too.

I'm guessing System Admins will really like UAC, it'll keep regular users from messing with their PC's. Plus Vista has many other security benefits over XP.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: gizbug
Just read this week's PC Magazine....yet another article describing what a "let down" vista is. Over the last 10 months, more negative than positive. Surely ALL those people can't be wrong, eh?

I'll refer you to the topic summary:

"All I see is a bunch of bandwagoning"


I don't know who "ALL" those people are so I can't say if they are right or wrong. I can only tell you that Vista is running great for me and XP now seems crusty.

Good for you that your Vista is running fine. But just because it works for you, it doesn't mean that it works for everyone else. And it also doesn't mean that all those people can't possibly have some real issue and they are just bandwagoning.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Cutthroat

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
From a tech point of view, both in support and for use with my home PC, I happen to dislike 'new' things.

I cannot tell you how much I dread when my company is going to fully support Vista... That means I have to not only remember Win95/98/ME/XP/NT/2K/SVR2K/SVR2K3, but now I get to commit Windows Vista to memory. Now, I love learning and playing with new toys, but the question is: what does Vista offer than XP does not? From the business persective, not much. Which is why many businesses have absolutely no plans to move to Vista until MS forces them too.

I'm guessing System Admins will really like UAC, it'll keep regular users from messing with their PC's. Plus Vista has many other security benefits over XP.

You would be right that a lot of system admins would enjoy that. But, keep in mind that system admins also prefer to keep things simple and not overly complicated. Now, I am not implying that vista is complicated. But, generally, a lot of system admins take on the thought process that if it is not broken, don't fix it. I happen to take that on that mindset, and happens to be one shared by our common admin, who is a genius on many levels. Again, that isn't used to reinforce that vista=bad. Obviously, Vista is NOT bad, it just isn't practical for everyone. Especially with the costs to benefits ratio.

I don't think anyone is bashing Vista for the sake of bashing it. I think people from all sides have legitmate reasons why they do not like it. Is every reason legitimate? Of course not, but many are!

It is like any topic, you have people on both sides of the fence who call each other morons just because they don't believe the way others do. I think people need to leave that mindset altogether, take a look at both arguments, understand both sides and make a decision for yourself personally. Can anyone ask someone to do more than that? I hope not, because more than that is brainwash.

Anyway - Now that I know that my Ultimate Vista can be transfered to more than one machine, I am pretty happy and plan to install it here shortly. I knew I came into this thread for a reason - to learn