Why do people hate Vista?

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Good for you that your Vista is running fine. But just because it works for you, it doesn't mean that it works for everyone else. And it also doesn't mean that all those people can't possibly have some real issue and they are just bandwagoning.

No one is saying that people are not having problems with Vista. In most cases it is a driver issue caused by running Vista on hardware that is either not supported or is poorly supported. That is not the fault of Microsoft that other companies refuse to properly support their hardware in Vista.

Another thing. You are not going to hear from the majority of people who are having a good experience with Vista. People only tend to get in your face when it comes to problems. This does not mean they are a majority. Assuming that the majority of people using Vista are having problems from these complaints is really the wrong way to look at it.

You also have to take into consideration that there are people just spreading FUD about Vista by making assumptions and complaints about Vista when they have never even used the operating system. (Peter Gutmann has been spreading his FUD and complaints about Vista, yet acknowledges he has never even used it. When some one actually test his theories and proves him wrong, he launches into personal attacks.)

 

[gizbug]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2177628,00.asp

Thats why people hate vista =/

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: gizbug
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2177628,00.asp

Thats why people hate vista =/

Again: It wasn't an article, it was an opinion peice, big difference.

 

[gizbug]

Pretty accurate to me, article or opinion.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: gizbug
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2177628,00.asp

Thats why people hate vista =/

Again: It wasn't an article, it was an opinion peice, big difference.

Not to mention an uninformed one.

The few that actually made me lol...
*Vista is a bulging bag of bloatware that resembles Windows XP with a bunch of existing third-party extensions tacked on. Yet another idiot that belives Vista is nothing more than a GUI upgrade. lol

*It's about Vista's lack of a killer feature, its lack of any positive reason to move up from Windows XP. Yeah, youre right. A more secure kernal and NATIVE encryption are no big deals. Especially in today's safer computer environment. Not to mention, a native firewall that is robust enough to meet or exceed most 3rd party firewall.

*the vast security abyss that is Internet Explorer Wait, what? Apparently he is a Firefox fanboi who hasnt paid attention to all the vulnerabilities in Firefox vs IE7. Not to mention what a PITA it is to configure FF.

*Neil Rubenking and Lance Ulanoff offered me "searching anywhere" (got it, Google Desktop) LOL Yet another naive person who knows NOTHING about indexing lol

*Microsoft's problem is that it has become so obsessed with backward compatibility that it's afraid to innovate. Wait. In the first few paragraphs he complains about Vista's inability to co-habitate with older hardware/software, then rails MS for spending too much time trying to do so? WTF?

Anyway. Typical FUD and uninformed. If you wanna keep riding a dinasaur, go right ahead.

 

[gizbug]

Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: gizbug
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2177628,00.asp

Thats why people hate vista =/

Again: It wasn't an article, it was an opinion peice, big difference.

Not to mention an uninformed one.

The few that actually made me lol...
*Vista is a bulging bag of bloatware that resembles Windows XP with a bunch of existing third-party extensions tacked on. Yet another idiot that belives Vista is nothing more than a GUI upgrade. lol

*It's about Vista's lack of a killer feature, its lack of any positive reason to move up from Windows XP. Yeah, youre right. A more secure kernal and NATIVE encryption are no big deals. Especially in today's safer computer environment. Not to mention, a native firewall that is robust enough to meet or exceed most 3rd party firewall.

*the vast security abyss that is Internet Explorer Wait, what? Apparently he is a Firefox fanboi who hasnt paid attention to all the vulnerabilities in Firefox vs IE7. Not to mention what a PITA it is to configure FF.

*Neil Rubenking and Lance Ulanoff offered me "searching anywhere" (got it, Google Desktop) LOL Yet another naive person who knows NOTHING about indexing lol

*Microsoft's problem is that it has become so obsessed with backward compatibility that it's afraid to innovate. Wait. In the first few paragraphs he complains about Vista's inability to co-habitate with older hardware/software, then rails MS for spending too much time trying to do so? WTF?

Anyway. Typical FUD and uninformed. If you wanna keep riding a dinasaur, go right ahead.

If you read the author's bio he is there phone and PDA guy too. lol

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

I'm sure Apple wishes that OSX was as big a failure considering there are more Vista PC's than every OSX box ever sold.

I'll call a MS product a failure when and if it is one. Vista is definately not a failure. Even with all the FUD out there.

 

[nerp]

PC Mag long ago went to noobville. I'd never take anything they say, news or editorial, seriously. I've seen them recommend known spyware in their "shareware roundups" and give horrible advice for basic hardware/software problems. Dvorak, as well, has apparently lost his edge and now sounds more like a cranky old man than a forward-thinking expert. CS grads from decent schools have more interesting things to prophesize than he does.

I'm not a MS fan. I think it's pretty silly to be a fan of an OS. I could care less if Vista isn't worshiped by some geeks on a message board. I use what works and it works well.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

Yes, and Linux is a resounding success at 2% of the total market in 15+ years.

Vista has a larger install base than all linux distros combined in the last 15 years.

And lets not forget that Microsoft posted a 3 billion dollar profit last quarter.


This is coming from someone who is not an operating system fanboy. I use both Vista and Linux. (Currently testing Ubuntu 7.10)

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

Show me any Linux based OS that has gaming support anywhere near size of Microsoft OS,I think we know which one comes out the winner in that department by a massive margin,yes I'm a gamer so its important to me just like for a lot of other gamers too..


Putting gaming part aside,look at third party software support for Microsoft,yes we know Microsoft OS wins again in that department too,do I need to go on?....I think not.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

The sidewinder dual-strike was a failed product.

There, happy?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: gizbug
Love the MS fans that will never admit to a failed MS product.

The sidewinder dual-strike was a failed product.

There, happy?

Microsoft Bob?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Vista is fine on a high end pc. It sucks on every laptop I've tried it on so far.

 

[Noema]

I think OEMs like Dell and Toshiba shipping laptops with Vista (even Home Basic) with only 512MB of RAM and 5400RPM HDDs are doing MS and Vista more harm than good.

A friend of mine got a Toshiba lappy on monday and it only had the aforementioned amount of RAM. Vista ran like crap, even after extensive tweaking. Even having just FF open brought performance to a crawl.

He wanted me to wipe Vista and install XP. Luckily, I convinced him that Vista's advanced security was worth sticking with, and instead, I installed a 1GB stick of RAM and now Vista flies on the machine.

After he realized how much he liked the integrated instant search and Superfetch, he is now quite happy that he kept Vista.

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Vista is fine on a high end pc. It sucks on every laptop I've tried it on so far.

I think people emphasize "high end pc" too much. While I wouldn't recomend it on a 1ghz PC with 512MB, It doesn't need anywhere near a high end PC to run and run well. As long as you have 1GB or more of RAM it runs perfectly well.

My Laptop is an ispiron 6000 (1.6 pentium M) w/ 2GB. No where near high end. I got it new for $750 from Dell. It's runs Vista extremely well. Actually, I had to upgrade it's RAM while it was running XP because it was too slow with 512MB.

My Dad's PC is an AMD 3000+ (single core processor) and a gforce 6200 video board and 1GB of RAM. Vista works on it beautifully. This is denfinately not a high end PC. when it was built almost 3 years ago it wasn't even close to high end.

If these two PCs can handle Vista well, there is no need for a High End PC at all.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Vista is fine on a high end pc. It sucks on every laptop I've tried it on so far.

What are you defining as high end? If you are talking about high end in 2001-2002 then you are correct. It is amazing how many people out there think today's mainstream hardware is some how high end still. You can pick up a dual core processor pc with a gig of RAM in the bargain section of any retail outlet for less than $500 USD. You can even get a single core laptop with a core 2 based celeron with a gig of RAM for around that price if you know where to look.

Some people need to update their thinking on what high end really is today.

 

[wwswimming]

i don't hate Vista anymore. well, i never did hate Vista.

i did the Speech Recognition tutorials. it works as good as Dragon
Naturally Speaking, and it inter-operates a lot better with other
programs.

i'd still like to turn off some of the features that make the
hard drive exercise constantly.

as far as the appearance, specifically navigating the Desktop,
i prefer XP. is there any way to change it like that ?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: fierydemise
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: treemonkey
For processor intensive apps, your comp will take longer to complete the same task under vista. If you just surf the web and edit word docs, vista is fine so long as you can find drivers.</blockquote>
Care to back that up with some data, I've been using Photoshop under Vista for a while now and if anything its been faster then XP</blockquote>

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...p-vs-vista/page11.html

"We are disappointed that CPU-intensive applications such as video transcoding with XviD (DVD to XviD MPEG4) or the MainConcept H.264 Encoder performed 18% to nearly 24% slower in our standard benchmark scenarios. Both benchmarks finished much quicker under Windows XP. There aren't newer versions available, and we don't see immediate solutions to this issue."


With regard to photoshop, Photoshop cs3 is more efficient than cs2 so that's maybe what you're seeing. The margins aren't in the 20% range but pscs3 is still faster under xp. Just try running the same filter on the same batch of imgs under the 2 os'es and see.

According to Adobe, CS3 was also specifically designed for Vista, so I'm sure that makes a difference.

I personally was tired of XP and eagerly welcomed the change. But honestly, Vista is unnecessarily annoying. For instance, rearrange your folders and icons in the Start menu how you want them, and watch what happens when you reboot...sometimes. Its no big deal, I know most people don't even use the Classic menu anymore, but its a simple little thing that worked on Windows 95, 98, XP, and even ME for fvck's sake.

Also, sometimes, for no apparent reason, you can't open an Illustrator CS1 file, edit it, and then just save it as the same name rather than "Save As..." something else. Or you try to cut and paste a file, and it randomly says the file is in use and can't be moved, even after you shut down every conceivable app and service that might be accessing it. Irritating little stuff like that, when combined with frequent benchmarks showing that games just run faster in XP, pisses me off a bit. And why are there 20 different versions? WTF was wrong with "Home" and "Professional"?!

I dumped XP willingly and want to love Vista, but its simply not finished, and "I am coming to a sad realization...allow or deny?"

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
WTF was wrong with "Home" and "Professional"?!

Yeah, and WTF was wrong with Tablet, MCE 2002, MCE 2004, MCE 2005, and Professional x64?!

 

[Mem]

when combined with frequent benchmarks showing that games just run faster in XP, pisses me off a bit.

Windows Vista vs Windows XP Performance(Sept 07)

Looking over the performance results, it?s clear to see that both AMD and NVIDIA?s Windows Vista drivers have come a long way in the past seven months. NVIDIA in particular has made tremendous strides with their latest Vista driver

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[Modelworks]

Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

I had to search for a driver the other week for a friends XP machine so nothing new there,personally I had Vista up and running in under 30 mins and only had 2 drivers missing(it installed the rest automatically),bear in mind this was back in January when it was first released and also Vista x64 version so says a lot,right now I have all my software working fine and all possible Vista x64 drivers.
Drivers normally are not the cause of the problem,also searching for drivers is very quick regardless of OS,ie internet ,google etc..personally I have all the drivers for my hardware companies bookmarked in both XP and Vista x64,so only takes a click of a button. Troubleshooting can take time ,however I had more then my fair share of XP troubleshooting over the years and end of the day you have to expect a problem sooner or later ie hardware going faulty or something going wrong in a PC(does not mean its Vista's or fault of XP but it does mean you got to take time sooner or later)

If you going to install a new OS then most people do some research for hardware compatibility etc..I did this for both XP and Vista ,will probably do the same thing for Vienna down the road.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

People have time to install a new OS but no time to find or research for compatibility/drivers?

Most people that install a new os do not research anything .
They see the ads, buy the software, install it and expect it to work.
The majority of computer users do not even know what a driver is, they think its something involving cars.

You need to realize that most people just want the pc to work. They don't want to be bothered with the details.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

People have time to install a new OS but no time to find or research for compatibility/drivers?

Most people that install a new os do not research anything .
They see the ads, buy the software, install it and expect it to work.
The majority of computer users do not even know what a driver is, they think its something involving cars.

You need to realize that most people just want the pc to work. They don't want to be bothered with the details.

I see what you mean but normally those sort of people buy a Dell PC or something with everything installed including the bloat and don't know much about PCs.
I can tell you horror stories of WoW gamers I know that use XP without any anti-virus protection right now, is that XP's fault or the user?..end of the day the user has to take some responsibility,you can't expect your OS to make you a cup of tea and do everything.
Using an OS requires some level of basic knowledge and its up to the user to aquire that.