Why do people hate Vista?

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

People have time to install a new OS but no time to find or research for compatibility/drivers?

Most people that install a new os do not research anything .
They see the ads, buy the software, install it and expect it to work.
The majority of computer users do not even know what a driver is, they think its something involving cars.

You need to realize that most people just want the pc to work. They don't want to be bothered with the details.

I see what you mean but normally those sort of people buy a Dell PC or something with everything installed including the bloat and don't know much about PCs.
I can tell you horror stories of WoW gamers I know that use XP without any anti-virus protection right now, is that XP's fault or the user?..end of the day the user has to take some responsibility,you can't expect your OS to make you a cup of tea and do everything.
Using an OS requires some level of basic knowledge and its up to the user to aquire that.

In addition, those people that buy preconfigured systems, as long as they have 1gb of ram, despite the bloat, will experience far less problems that the average joe who tries to install Vista on his own.

Putting your own PC together is like building a hot rod...dont be surprised when theres a few kinks here or there. Those preconfigured systems go through a barrage of testing and have to pass a ton of requirements in order to get that cute little windows vista sticker on the front of the case.

For the most part Vista is at the point where you can throw a PC together and have very few problems, but if you really, really must have a trouble free, perfect experience, buy a desktop/laptop off the shelf.

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not that I hate vista itself, its a combination of things.
Vista may work perfect with the right drivers, software, hardware.
Thing is I don't have time to work out the issues with the above.
I need to install a OS, install my programs and use it.

I don't have time to search for why this driver , hardware, software doesn't work.
Let others do that if they have the time.
I'll come back to vista when all the above are sorted out.

With Xp I know that I can install almost any software out there, almost any hardware and it will work. When vista gets that way I'll upgrade, until then, its offering nothing new that makes it worth the trouble.

People have time to install a new OS but no time to find or research for compatibility/drivers?

Most people that install a new os do not research anything .
They see the ads, buy the software, install it and expect it to work.
The majority of computer users do not even know what a driver is, they think its something involving cars.

You need to realize that most people just want the pc to work. They don't want to be bothered with the details.

I see what you mean but normally those sort of people buy a Dell PC or something with everything installed including the bloat and don't know much about PCs.
I can tell you horror stories of WoW gamers I know that use XP without any anti-virus protection right now, is that XP's fault or the user?..end of the day the user has to take some responsibility,you can't expect your OS to make you a cup of tea and do everything.
Using an OS requires some level of basic knowledge and its up to the user to aquire that.

In addition, those people that buy preconfigured systems, as long as they have 1gb of ram, despite the bloat, will experience far less problems that the average joe who tries to install Vista on his own.

Putting your own PC together is like building a hot rod...dont be surprised when theres a few kinks here or there. Those preconfigured systems go through a barrage of testing and have to pass a ton of requirements in order to get that cute little windows vista sticker on the front of the case.

For the most part Vista is at the point where you can throw a PC together and have very few problems, but if you really, really must have a trouble free, perfect experience, buy a desktop/laptop off the shelf.

Actually, my experience has been that my pre-installed Vista computer is much LESS stable than my self-built self-installed Vista (64-bit, I may add) system. My laptop, an HP Vista 32bit Home Premium system, has had far more problems than my desktop (which has pretty much only had problems with overclocking stability, which is my fault). I got so fed up with my laptop's Vista that I stopped using it and am now prepping for a reinstall of Vista, getting rid of all the HP crapware that I didn't get rid of the first time.

 

[buddhatb]

Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: turrican2097

I'm talking about thousands of people where Vista runs like crap. Can you ignore what people are saying on forums, companies, computers bought last year, Dells, HP, bought on non-enthusiast stores, not bought for games, etc...

Many people also have no idea how to set up and fine tune a windows installation though. I haven't installed Vista yet, hope to do that by the end of the month, but I've tweaked XP Pro many times.

Thus far, my only experiences with Vista were in Beta 1 and a friend's laptop. His 1.6Ghz Celeron M, Radeon Xpress IGP, and 512MB RAM ran Vista slower than molasses in January, taking a few minutes to finish loading the desktop after logging on. After I played with it a big, removed McAfee AV and turned off all the GUI features mainly, it ran quite well.

I didn't know that you had to "fine tune" an OS to get it working properly. Windows XP works properly without any "fine tuning" after a fresh install of the OS.

Thanks for supporting the known fact that Vista is crap.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

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[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Thanks for supporting the known fact that Vista is crap.

Quit trolling. XP is obviously going to fly because it's old and people have been tweaking it since day 1.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: buddhatb
Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

Sounds like you have a major hardware/driver problem which I doubt SP1 will fix.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Thanks for supporting the known fact that Vista is crap.

Quit trolling. XP is obviously going to fly because it's old and people have been tweaking it since day 1.

He's always the same in every thread,likes to spread FUD.

I think if he was honest he would say most people tweak every OS,I know I do even with my XP PC,I bet you most AT users here tweak their XP too in one way or another .
Also how do you define tweaking?..think on that for a bit.

I still say Vista is the best OS so far Microsoft have made to date.

 

[Nothinman]

Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

Funny, I had the exact opposite experience with Vista and XP on my not even very new machine. Vista installed flawlessly and everything worked out of the box but XP was a huge PITA because it had no drivers for anything.

 

[Twista]

Im back on xp. Vista is nice, but not my cup of tea. Its ugly compared to xp and reminds me of a mac. The icons are big as heck and it looks fruity.


Its always frozen when i wake up from sleeping. I dont know whats wrong with it, but other than the freezing problem its fine. Its picky with Sata connectors and will corrupt itself if your sata drive is not plugged into SATA 1 on the motherboard.

I mean i had to install it many times before i figured out the sata 1 problem. Its been installed fine for about 3 weeks and works, but im back on xp.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

Funny, I had the exact opposite experience with Vista and XP on my not even very new machine. Vista installed flawlessly and everything worked out of the box but XP was a huge PITA because it had no drivers for anything.

My experience also. I have 4 pieces of legacy hardware that require 4 3rd party drivers to work on XP, yet Vista installs it straight away. I went back to XP for the hell of it a month or so ago after a year of usingt Vista. By the time I got all the thrird party crap installed (alot of which came installed WITH Vista) my memory usage was about the same, and resources were about the same.

However it just sucked. I dont think I'll ever use XP again. Its like giving up my RX7 and driving a Pinto. I hear Pintos work for some people though *shrug*

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: Twista
The icons are big as heck and it looks fruity.

You can change the size of the icons.

 

[VeZ]

I started building a new rig consisting of e6750, 8800gt, 2gb ocz 800mhz ram, 550w power supply, all sitting in an antec 900. I successfully installed Vista after cutting out my RAM to 1gb from 2gb. I could start it and get a 50% chance of BSOD before even reaching the desktop. If I got to the desktop I would have about 10 minutes before it would crash again. I downloaded every Vista update, installed updated mobo drivers (IP-35 E), and gfx drivers. After it screwing up over and over I wiped the HDD and tried Vista install again. It didnt want to even attempt to that as is it would BSOD only 20 seconds in to boot.

I now have XP installing on it and everything is fine..I will try Vista in a year or two, as of now though, I will live with XP

I dont have Vista, as I have it for my laptop and its flawless. But installing it manually is hell

 

[Marty502]

My PC has handled Vista in an incredibly stable, efficient way.

Installation was painless and much quicker than XP. After the mandatory Windows Update, I haven't seen one BSOD or crash in months.

My HDD hardly sees any work because of Superfetch.

XP was never this stable, and XP was very, very stable to begin with.

All I did was disable UAC, install my programs and drivers and get going.

Maybe I got lucky, or maybe there's too much whiners out there. I think it's a mix of both. But on my computer, Vista has been simply flawless. There's no reason I'd return to Windows XP.

 

[videobruce]

One word: BLOAT :thumbsdown:

AFAIC, FP, er XP is too bloated! An O/S on a DVD? Come on......................
Along with DRM/copy protection etc.

 

[Nothinman]

AFAIC, FP, er XP is too bloated! An O/S on a DVD? Come on......................
Along with DRM/copy protection etc.

Huh? XP came on CD last I checked...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: videobruce
One word: BLOAT :thumbsdown:

AFAIC, FP, er XP is too bloated! An O/S on a DVD? Come on......................
Along with DRM/copy protection etc.

Don't you mean support to play DRM/copy protected media?

 

[JackBurton]

Hey, just got my wife a Sony VAIO laptop with Vista business and the thing runs GREAT! 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo processor with 2GB of ram and the things runs VERY smooth.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Thanks for supporting the known fact that Vista is crap.

Quit trolling. XP is obviously going to fly because it's old and people have been tweaking it since day 1.

Windows XP works right out of the box on a fresh install. No need for tweaking. Thanks!

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: buddhatb
Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

Sounds like you have a major hardware/driver problem which I doubt SP1 will fix.

Maybe he should throw his entire computer away and buy a new one in hopes that it WILL work with Vista? Great idea!

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Mem
He's always the same in every thread,likes to spread FUD.

I think if he was honest he would say most people tweak every OS,I know I do even with my XP PC,I bet you most AT users here tweak their XP too in one way or another .
Also how do you define tweaking?..think on that for a bit.

I still say Vista is the best OS so far Microsoft have made to date.

LOL @ you and your "FUD" statement. You abuse that word more than people abuse the word "troll" on these boards.

No, I do not tweak Windows XP at all. Fresh install, update from Microsoft Update and install my applications. It works. No tweaking needed. Thanks!

I'd say that Windows 2000 Pro was the best OS that Microsoft ever released. Lacking in security but everything worked with it. Those were such beautiful times. I used Windows 2000 Pro all the way up till Windows XP finally became worth using with Windows XP SP2.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: buddhatb
Vista BLOWS.

Having problems installing Vista on my brothers' new builds. After 2 days of trying everything, we gave up and decided and go with XP instead. Atleast everything is nice and stable. I wouldn't touch Vista until SP1 is released for it.

Sounds like you have a major hardware/driver problem which I doubt SP1 will fix.

Maybe he should throw his entire computer away and buy a new one in hopes that it WILL work with Vista? Great idea!

budd.......can't get Vista to work......I'll take it off your hands!LOL!

jonmcc.......man, all that hate's gonna eat you up inside. It's just an O/S.......some people like it, some don't.......doesn't affect my payday!

 

[Nothinman]

Windows XP works right out of the box on a fresh install. No need for tweaking. Thanks!

Not on anything even remotely recent. It doesn't even include drives for my NIC so I have to have a second machine handy to download drivers after the installation.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: EndGame
budd.......can't get Vista to work......I'll take it off your hands!LOL!

jonmcc.......man, all that hate's gonna eat you up inside. It's just an O/S.......some people like it, some don't.......doesn't affect my payday!

It's my work's VLA copy. I can't give it to you. Sorry!

No hate for the OS at all. Nobody here can quote me where I said I hate Vista. Don't put words into people's mouths please!

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Windows XP works right out of the box on a fresh install. No need for tweaking. Thanks!

Not on anything even remotely recent. It doesn't even include drives for my NIC so I have to have a second machine handy to download drivers after the installation.

That's not tweaking. That's installing drivers, which is normal. I know a Netgear 10/100 NIC that won't even work in Vista period. Bad example!