Why do people hate Vista?

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Sounds like you have a major hardware/driver problem which I doubt SP1 will fix.

Maybe he should throw his entire computer away and buy a new one in hopes that it WILL work with Vista? Great idea!

Where did I say that? Here's a few clues that avoid your retarded solution:

1) Individual pieces of hardware can be replaced if found to be broken
2) The OP didn't state if the machine was stock or overclocked
3) Drivers can be upgraded

Stop being a troll, you've beaten the horse to a pulp.

 

[Nothinman]

That's not tweaking. That's installing drivers, which is normal. I know a Netgear 10/100 NIC that won't even work in Vista period. Bad example!

Nope, it's a great example because you said: "Windows XP works right out of the box on a fresh install." which is 100% not true on any machine built since like 2002 because there isn't drivers for most of the hardware.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

That's not tweaking. That's installing drivers, which is normal. I know a Netgear 10/100 NIC that won't even work in Vista period. Bad example!

Nope, it's a great example because you said: "Windows XP works right out of the box on a fresh install." which is 100% not true on any machine built since like 2002 because there isn't drivers for most of the hardware.

Fresh install means with the drivers installed in my book. I wouldn't consider an OS fully installed if the drivers weren't loaded. You and I obviously do not think alike on that but it is besides the point...

 

[Nothinman]

Fresh install means with the drivers installed in my book. I wouldn't consider an OS fully installed if the drivers weren't loaded. You and I obviously do not think alike on that but it is besides the point...

To me and everyone I know "out of the box" means by itself with nothing extra installed, including drivers. Otherwise you wouldn't see people saying "Blah doesn't work out of the box, you have to download X from Y and install that to make it work.".

 

[jonmcc33]

<sigh> I mean a fresh install of the OS, as it is after EVERYTHING is installed. Don't nit pick my words to provoke stupid arguments...

 

[Nothinman]

<sigh> I mean a fresh install of the OS, as it is after EVERYTHING is installed. Don't nit pick my words to provoke stupid arguments...

I'm not, I've always seen it used in the contect in which I was speaking so I assumed you meant it the same way everyone else usually does.

You're the one that inferred that Vista was crap because someone mentioned "fine tuning" it and that someone else should throw away his computer because someone suggested he has a hardware problem since Vista was having problems. So either your reading skills are as bad as mine or your hyperbole skills are exceptional.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

<sigh> I mean a fresh install of the OS, as it is after EVERYTHING is installed. Don't nit pick my words to provoke stupid arguments...

I'm not, I've always seen it used in the contect in which I was speaking so I assumed you meant it the same way everyone else usually does.

You're the one that inferred that Vista was crap because someone mentioned "fine tuning" it and that someone else should throw away his computer because someone suggested he has a hardware problem since Vista was having problems. So either your reading skills are as bad as mine or your hyperbole skills are exceptional.

I wouldn't give him that much credit.

 

[mechBgon]

No, I do not tweak Windows XP at all. Fresh install, update from Microsoft Update and install my applications. It works. No tweaking needed. Thanks!

Hmmm, I didn't need to "tweak" Vista either. Install it, let it update itself, install Steam, install HL2, play HL2 With the stock Vista drivers, at that... in fact, I didn't need to install a single driver, not even SCSI HBA drivers. All this and much better security, too :thumbsup:

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I'm not, I've always seen it used in the contect in which I was speaking so I assumed you meant it the same way everyone else usually does.

You're the one that inferred that Vista was crap because someone mentioned "fine tuning" it and that someone else should throw away his computer because someone suggested he has a hardware problem since Vista was having problems. So either your reading skills are as bad as mine or your hyperbole skills are exceptional.

Wait, did you just state that someone was having problems on Vista? I thought that was impossible?

 

[Nothinman]

Wait, did you just state that someone was having problems on Vista? I thought that was impossible?

I'm not at all surprised that you thought that, a lot of your thoughts in these threads seem to be way off base.

 

[jonmcc33]

Don't change the subject.

 

[Nothinman]

I'm not, the subject in just all of these threads has turned into your misconceptions about Vista.

 

[kmartinez]

I hate vista after only ten days on a brand new lenovo T61 because:
I had complete crashes the first few days
file explorer crashed many times
Whole laptop has needed hard power-off five times
a driver wasn't available for a common usb-serial device from Keyspan
grey-out security questions *did* drive me mad

I *really* can't recommend anyone uses Vista on their laptop because of its lack of stability - a few features are nicer than XP but they're not worth exchanging for crashes.
My Vista install has a few days to persuade me its more stable - or it gets wiped!

 

[stash]

Wow, old thread.

Anyway, wipe the image that came preloaded on the T61 and try again. I have a T61p and a x61t both running Vista x64, and they are stable and screaming fast.

It's the Lenovo utilities that screw everything up, so keep them to a minimum. I have system update, active protection, tablet bits (for the x61) and the hotkey/OSD functionality and that's all. I could probably do away with a couple of those too.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: kmartinez
I hate vista after only ten days on a brand new lenovo T61 because:
I had complete crashes the first few days
file explorer crashed many times
Whole laptop has needed hard power-off five times
a driver wasn't available for a common usb-serial device from Keyspan
grey-out security questions *did* drive me mad

I *really* can't recommend anyone uses Vista on their laptop because of its lack of stability - a few features are nicer than XP but they're not worth exchanging for crashes.
My Vista install has a few days to persuade me its more stable - or it gets wiped!

FYI my brother has a Lenovo laptop with Vista HP which's working fine,I also have a Dell laptop with Vista HP which is 100% stable ,not had a single crash since it arrived last month.

I'll say watchout for the Lenovo password manager utility,it can cause havoc with Java/Firefox as my brother found out with his Lenovo,do a search via google you'll see what I mean.

 

[Nothinman]

I *really* can't recommend anyone uses Vista on their laptop because of its lack of stability - a few features are nicer than XP but they're not worth exchanging for crashes.
My Vista install has a few days to persuade me its more stable - or it gets wiped!

Yea because your single experience with Vista is representative of every installation on every piece of hardware...

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Yea because your single experience with Vista is representative of every installation on every piece of hardware...

*Sarcasm Alert*

Of course it is. We all know that all hardware is exactly the same.

/Sarcasm

 

[ChronoReverse]

It does bring to light a huge issue for many users though. Namely, the installations that come default on new computers are beyond broken. And this is giving Vista a worse rap than it deserves.


Another similar issue was the way Nvidia screwed MS by not having good drivers out for almost a year. It didn't hurt Nvidia because ATI didn't have a competitive card at the time and everyone blamed MS instead of the real problem.

 

[Maximilian]

Well the people that love vista are just as lame and uninformed as those that hate it. Heres the truth: Vista is OK!

No its not worth the money unless you need it.

Yes some people have had no problems at all with it and act like it is a new member of their family, defending it whenever possible. But some people have had serious problems with it and no the problem isnt always the user which seems to be a popular argument amongst vista fans, vista has its problems and you may or may not encounter them dependent on what hardware you have and how you use your computer.

No it dosent bring anything amazing and new that makes you want to buy it.... It can play chess with you... so can your friends, they are cheaper than vista probably not as good at chess however. Oh ctrl+alt+del never fails to bring up the taskbar anymore, umm yeah thats about it really.

The people who hate it either got ripped when they installed it and realized wow this isnt worth my money, or had it come with a new computer they bought and it ran incredibly slow which is vistas doing but in turn its the companies who bundled the vista incapable pc with vista in the first place that are ultimately to blame, that still dosent help the guy with a slowass comp stuck with vista though does it?

The people who love it creep me out and probably wear microsoft t-shirts, how can you love vista? Its not that great... You think for 6 years in development that vista is a great product that was worth the time spent? Well your very easily pleased. Im sitting with vista ultimate x64 right here and its just no different from XP, vista has got increased security, a better UI (this is very debatable) and superfetch over XP, yet.. these things don't seem to make a difference at all to everyday use or gaming or anything! They don't give people a reason to own vista. The UI in XP was fine, things never loaded slowly so superfetch makes no difference to me, and as for security that UAC thing is a PITA, if you enjoy being prompted for every action you make by all means enjoy it, ill just switch it off like most people i know seem to do. Vista is OK, average, mediocre, its nothing worth raving about.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Huh, I don't think most of the people who advocate Vista are in any way nearly as rabid as you're making it out to be. With that said, Vista does bring a number of changes that are certainly for the better.

 

[jsedlak]

I love Vista. People with old hardware should not run it. Moving to Vista should be met with new hardware a lot of the time. It seems to me that the majority of people that have problems with Vista do not have capable hardware to run it and or were sold a PC that had a sticker claiming it could run Vista. Yeah, it can as in it is compatible. A sticker doesn't mean that Vista will run perfectly.

Never-the-less, as a developer the new UI stuff in Vista is gorgeous and incredibly useful. I could go on and on about all the nifty changes, but that would make for a boring post. For now I will just say that the ability to hit [Windows Key] and start typing is the best feature to make its way into Windows. I am a command prompt / run window fanatic so being able to hit start and run any of my apps with great ease makes me happy.

And yes, on the same hardware it is slower than XP but with new hardware it makes much less of a difference. In 2 years time (right before Windows 7 should be out) all PCs will be flying with Vista.


So yeah, I love vista and have loved it since Beta 1. I recommend it to everyone building or buying a new PC. It installed fast an ran right from the start without any extra drivers needed (although installing drivers increased the capability of the system). Just remember that before you bash Microsoft for Vista or any new OS, remember they are stuck in a gigantic Catch-22. Apple can afford to screw its customers by not giving backwards compatibility because its installed base is small and its installed business base is even smaller. Microsoft has to keep all of its business clients happy by providing compatibility with legacy applications and man some businesses are so behind. I know of one company that still uses software from the early 90s to manage and program large databases.


This is where something like Singularity comes in, giving Microsoft the ability to "research" a new way of doing an Operating System core without screwing over its customers.

 

[jsedlak]

And btw, UAC is the future. In SP1 a lot of the dialogs have been decreased from 3-4 prompts down to just 1 including copying a file into the Program Files directory. UAC is great, but needs refinement.

 

[The Keeper]

I've been running Vista SP1 RTM x64 for a month at least by now, used an installation media which already had SP1 included. So far Vista has been very much a pleasure to use. Just out of my head I can't point at any single thing that XP would do better than Vista. It is Vista for me, not going back to XP. About time to get that almost 7 years old Windows to be replaced.

 

[kmartinez]

You give me hope
reinstalling Vista seems too much like hard work - and same effort as going back to XP ;-)

 

[Nothinman]

reinstalling Vista seems too much like hard work - and same effort as going back to XP ;-)

It's actually a lot less work because Vista comes with drivers for most recent hardware, unlike XP which is a huge PITA because nothing works out of the box.