Why do people hate Vista?

[Griffinhart]

certainly XP is a bigger PITA to install if you are using SATA RAID and don't have a floppy drive installed to load drivers for the install.

 

[arredondo]

Hello. My name is arredondo and I hate Vista.

I play games, surf the net, manage photos and do mild word processing. In my relatively short time with a PC at home, I've owned Windows ME (no major problems for what I did), WinXP (no major problems for what I did), and now with my modern PC I have Vista (problems from day one). I have all the latest drivers, and I run full security checks frequently (NOD32, Ad-Aware, Spyware blaster, firewall is up, etc)

- Vista will NOT always end processes that get stuck when I close a program (internet mostly). I press Ctrl-Alt-Delete and try to end a stuck process but it won't end so I have to reset my machine. This happens 2-3 times a day.

- When I put Vista in sleep mode, half the time it freezes me from any input from the mouse or keyboard. It wakes up, but I can't do anything except restart the entire machine.

- With all of these restarts, sometimes Vista goes to the splash screen and hangs. I've left it there for as much as 30 minutes and nothing happens. I've had to restart a boot up to three times before just to get it to work.

- I have had audio issues, mainly because Vista's audio settings don't save all my changes. Not the audio card and its software mindyou - Vista's audio ccontrol program is the culprit. So to get bass in games for instance, I have to manually go and re-adjust my settings everytime I boot up my machine.

I hate Vista with a passion, and will put in XP if SP1 doesn't fix most of these issues.

 

[Mem]

Vista is OK, average, mediocre, its nothing worth raving about.

You can say that about XP,98 etc...OS to me is just a tool ,Dos 6.22,95,98,XP,2K,Vista all got the job done for me (especially gaming wise).

Unfortuantely you have to upgrade your hardware sooner or later regardless of the OS in question,especially if you are a gamer,also remember we'll see the same old arguments when Windows 7,8 etc are released,as to Microsoft T-Shirt well show all the PC gamers out there a better OS then one from Microsoft with the same huge choice of games?...Bottomline you can't so its a more of a question of gamers having to stick with a Microsoft OS if they want to PC game.

Side note, no OS I have ever used is perfect,that includes Vista, XP,98,95 etc... however it was not rocket science to get ANY of them running stable,I have heard plenty of excuses over the years way before Vista was ever released or alpha.

Bottomline if somebody does not like a product then there's no need to bitch about it and create another 10000000 thread,just because somebody can't get a OS working fine does not mean somebody else can't,you'll find more people with a stable operating system then those that don't.

I'm old school (old Dos 6.22 fan,yes I know its primitive compared to Windows) but have excepted its a thing of the pass and moved with the times ,just like hardware moves on.

Do I like Vista better then XP?...sure do,do I like 98 more then XP?.... in a way I did(only because more Dos games worked in 98 then XP),did I enjoy Win 3.11?..I hated it ...yes I miss my old Dos 6.22 ,it was fun getting the right amount and type of memory etc to run a game,gamers/users nowadays have it a lot easier and they still moan,some people you just can't please.

Vista is an improvement over XP ,anybody that says otherwise has turned a blind eye to all the real improvements in Vista,I know from my own experience Vista blows XP away on stability when you compare state of both operating systems in there first year.

As a gamer I'm very happy with Vista,I hope Windows 7 is an improvement because it means Windows OS just goes from better to better .


I'll be first one to thank Microsoft for supporting PC gaming.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: arredondo
Hello. My name is arredondo and I hate Vista.

I play games, surf the net, manage photos and do mild word processing. In my relatively short time with a PC at home, I've owned Windows ME (no major problems for what I did), WinXP (no major problems for what I did), and now with my modern PC I have Vista (problems from day one). I have all the latest drivers, and I run full security checks frequently (NOD32, Ad-Aware, Spyware blaster, firewall is up, etc)

- Vista will NOT always end processes that get stuck when I close a program (internet mostly). I press Ctrl-Alt-Delete and try to end a stuck process but it won't end so I have to reset my machine. This happens 2-3 times a day.

- When I put Vista in sleep mode, half the time it freezes me from any input from the mouse or keyboard. It wakes up, but I can't do anything except restart the entire machine.

- With all of these restarts, sometimes Vista goes to the splash screen and hangs. I've left it there for as much as 30 minutes and nothing happens. I've had to restart a boot up to three times before just to get it to work.

- I have had audio issues, mainly because Vista's audio settings don't save all my changes. Not the audio card and its software mindyou - Vista's audio ccontrol program is the culprit. So to get bass in games for instance, I have to manually go and re-adjust my settings everytime I boot up my machine.

I hate Vista with a passion, and will put in XP if SP1 doesn't fix most of these issues.

You have a driver issue. Have you tried to get updated drivers from your lappy's manufacturer?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

reinstalling Vista seems too much like hard work - and same effort as going back to XP ;-)

It's actually a lot less work because Vista comes with drivers for most recent hardware, unlike XP which is a huge PITA because nothing works out of the box.

Also Vista installs a lot faster then XP,anybody here that has used both knows that to be the case.

 

[Nothinman]

- Vista will NOT always end processes that get stuck when I close a program (internet mostly). I press Ctrl-Alt-Delete and try to end a stuck process but it won't end so I have to reset my machine. This happens 2-3 times a day.

Depending on where the process is stuck any OS will make you wait for it to become unstuck before killing it. If it happens more in Vista than XP then you've likely got a driver issue.

- When I put Vista in sleep mode, half the time it freezes me from any input from the mouse or keyboard. It wakes up, but I can't do anything except restart the entire machine.

Again a driver issue, power management is only as good or bad as your drivers.

- With all of these restarts, sometimes Vista goes to the splash screen and hangs. I've left it there for as much as 30 minutes and nothing happens. I've had to restart a boot up to three times before just to get it to work.

That's either a hardware or a driver issue, it's hard to debug without more information.

I hate Vista with a passion, and will put in XP if SP1 doesn't fix most of these issues.

It might fix the sound issues but the rest aren't related to Vista at all so I doubt it'll affect them.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: NicColt
Well you asked and I'm just giving my opinion on why I don't like it... and if I'm wrong please let me know.

Also I read all sorts of posts like this one...
Forum Post

My primary reason why I'm holding off on Vista and I posted this and it's snipets from several sources... and please don't bash me, people are allowed to like or not like something.

?Microsoft will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software.? It will once again ?send information about (whatever software) . . . version and product key of the software, and the Internet protocol address of the device.? to Microsoft."

Whithin Microsoft's right it will not ask, it 'will' validate. It will then without asking 'send' the information that you do not get to see back to Microsoft.

It goes on to say "If for some reason the software can't or phones home and gets or gives the wrong answer - irrespective of the reason - it will automatically disable itself."

The burden then falls on you even if you have a purchased legal copy of the software and unless you can prove to the satisfaction of some automaton that the software is ?Genuine,? or more accurately, that under the relevant copyright laws that you have satisfied the requirements of the copyright laws and all of the terms of the End User License Agreement, the software will, on its own, go into a ?protect Microsoft? mode. Besides placing an annoying ?Get Genuine? banner on the screen, and limiting your ability to get upgrades, the EULA warns that ?you may not be able to use or continue to use some of the features of the software.?

All this means that even if you purchased a genuine licence to use Vista, Microsoft at a time of it's choosing will REQUIRE access to your computer, require that you send proof from whatever software it asks, require that you send specific information that you don't get to see to Microsoft, even if you don't want to and if for some reason it can't receive it or you won't allow it, it doesn't care the software according to the EULA is within it's rights to disable itself.

So if for some reason Microsoft is at fault and there's a failure in the validation process and if your software and your business or network goes down because Microsoft can't validate and even though you have every licence to use the software, Microsoft then says that "you can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to the amount you paid for the software. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages.?

So if your computer or entire network is shut down and your business comes to a stand still and access to all your files permanently wiped out, you get your couple of hundred bucks back - at most." This basically saves them from prosecution if you lost business revenue and it turns out to be their fault.

I know there are Vista lovers out there and I would hope one day to go over to Vista but right now it's to risky for me. I just can't agree to these terms.

I could see that as being a great argument to use Linux instead of windows. but if you are just using XP instead of Vista, you are still dealing with Microsoft, and all of your complaints still apply.

 

[arredondo]

You Vista-defenders are amazing. "It's a driver issue" is all you can come up with as a solution? I never had driver issues affect Win ME or Win XP... this is a new HP Pavillion Quad-core desktop with all the latest drivers, which in some cases were deleted and reinstalled. Firefox gets updated and patch all the time, but Vista hangs it occassionally regardless.

And even if one of the many problems is a driver issue, why the hell won't Vista allow me to "end process" when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del???? It even tells me in a dialogue box - a VISTA dialogue box - that if the process doesn't end I may have to restart my computer. What?!?! Why can't the stupid thing just kill the process itself like XP and ME could do? That has zero to do with any possible driver issues, so cut the weak defenses of this abomination OS.

Vista = crap operating system. Anyone reading this thread who hasn't gotten it stay FAAAAAAR away and hope Win 7 is somehow decent. :|

 

[ChronoReverse]

Huh. When XP first came out there were tons of driver issues and tons of unsupported hardware. Support for an entire class of hardware (all ISA peripherals) was completely dropped.

Short memories people have in the quest to bash.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: arredondo
You Vista-defenders are amazing. "It's a driver issue" is all you can come up with as a solution? I never had driver issues affect Win ME or Win XP... this is a new HP Pavillion Quad-core desktop with all the latest drivers, which in some cases were deleted and reinstalled. Firefox gets updated and patch all the time, but Vista hangs it occassionally regardless.

And even if one of the many problems is a driver issue, why the hell won't Vista allow me to "end process" when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del???? It even tells me in a dialogue box - a VISTA dialogue box - that if the process doesn't end I may have to restart my computer. What?!?! Why can't the stupid thing just kill the process itself like XP and ME could do? That has zero to do with any possible driver issues, so cut the weak defenses of this abomination OS.

Vista = crap operating system. Anyone reading this thread who hasn't gotten it stay FAAAAAAR away and hope Win 7 is somehow decent. :|

Why is my Dell laptop and main PC running Vista HP great then?.(even my sister got a Dell laptop with Vista and is happy with it) .....regardless its not a Vista issue since if it was then virtually every single Vista owner would be getting the same sort of issues.

I'll say this I have had my fair share of BSOD, driver issues with 98,XP and even a Vista minor driver issue that was quickly fixed by Nvidia,nothing there where I could or would blame the OS for,end of the day its always easier to blame the OS then do some troubleshooting to find the culprit.

I'll give you a real example,my brother got a Lenovo laptop with Vista,he was getting java crashes with firefox in Vista,he actually blamed Vista at first,however I did some research and found out it was the Lenovo password manager utility that was causing the problem and not Vista...guess what?... he's more then happy with Vista now.

Vista = crap operating system. Anyone reading this thread who hasn't gotten it stay FAAAAAAR away and hope Win 7 is somehow decent.

It's clear you can't be bothered to troubleshoot , you just want to blame Vista regardless.

Have you contacted HP or bothered to do some basic troubleshooting, maybe a hardware problem or run memtest86+ etc..PC hardware is not perfect and no OS can fix those.

Tried a reformat?..removed all the bloatware?..you think its a Vista issue so have you tried SP1 RTM?..I could go.

FYI I had an issue when I was using XP,it took me nearly a year to find the cause and I never onced blamed XP for the issue( it was a factory OC video card that would freeze randomly in some games only).

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: arredondo
You Vista-defenders are amazing. "It's a driver issue" is all you can come up with as a solution? I never had driver issues affect Win ME or Win XP... this is a new HP Pavillion Quad-core desktop with all the latest drivers, which in some cases were deleted and reinstalled. Firefox gets updated and patch all the time, but Vista hangs it occassionally regardless.

Nothingman is hardly a Vista defender and is actually a Linux proponent so get off your high horse. Anyone who has experience with both Linux and Windows will tell you all you described (Except the sound issue which is a well documented Vista bug) is either a hardware issue or a driver issue. I know for a fact that HP software does not play well with Vista so that may be the source of many of your issues.

Originally posted by: arredondo
And even if one of the many problems is a driver issue, why the hell won't Vista allow me to "end process" when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del???? It even tells me in a dialogue box - a VISTA dialogue box - that if the process doesn't end I may have to restart my computer. What?!?! Why can't the stupid thing just kill the process itself like XP and ME could do? That has zero to do with any possible driver issues, so cut the weak defenses of this abomination OS.

Vista = crap operating system. Anyone reading this thread who hasn't gotten it stay FAAAAAAR away and hope Win 7 is somehow decent. :|

That is because you are supposed to hit Ctrl-Shift-Esc if you just want the Windows Task Manager to kill a process. Just because you are unwilling to Google the changes in Vista's keyboard shortcuts (Or ask us nicely) does not mean killing a process in Vista is impossible.

Drivers run as a process, so drop your processes have nothing to do with drivers rant. I have many times had process in XP that refused to die without a reboot and it was always a half baked driver that was the issue. ME would just blue screen when a driver problem reared it's ugly head, so you are correct it did not have that issue.

 

[arredondo]

To answer early questions: I reformatted within the first week of getting the system... no dice. I removed "bloatware" on day one. I have not messed with the beta SP1 releases because I want the one that they call a final.

As for Ctrl-Shift-Esc, nice trick but it doesn't help this situation. Either method brings up the task manager but the problem is that with the TM up I can not kill processes or applications half the time. The fact that Vista itself tells me to restart my machine if the program won't terminate frustrates me to no end because it is as if Microsoft is admitting it's all screwed up and there is no solution.

I repeat I had none of these headaches with the last two OS machines I used.Perhaps I got them after they were better patched... I honestly don't know since I was never hardcore into following service packs and the like. All I know is that Vista has done absolutely nothing tangible that I am particularly impressed with, yet a ton of headaches continue.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Originally posted by: arredondo
To answer early questions: I reformatted within the first week of getting the system... no dice. I removed "bloatware" on day one. I have not messed with the beta SP1 releases because I want the one that they call a final.

As for Ctrl-Shift-Esc, nice trick but it doesn't help this situation. Either method brings up the task manager but the problem is that with the TM up I can not kill processes or applications half the time. The fact that Vista itself tells me to restart my machine if the program won't terminate frustrates me to no end because it is as if Microsoft is admitting it's all screwed up and there is no solution.
....

So which processes or programs are you trying to "End Process" that won't end?
To which "User Name" does the process belong?

You should be able kill processes under your name. You might not be able to kill other processes unless you escalate TM rights by clicking "Show processes from all user." I sometimes had processes under Windows XP that wouldn't end no matter how many times I pressed "End process".

Try ending processes with Process Explorer . It's a lot more advanced. To see all processes, go under File > "Show details for all processes".

 

[arredondo]

Firefox hangs sometimes (which isn't unique to Vista I admit). When it does, I go to the TM and try to end the program with no luck. I then go to the process tab to select the hanging process and still it won't work. Because it is all screwed up, I can not launch Firefox again until I turn off my computer and reboot.

I've had a similar problem with games, like when I am playing Steam titles (i.e. hl2.exe won't terminate). I have full admin rights as the primary and only user of my computer... all processes list my name. Thanks for the utility link. I'll try it next time I have problems.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: arredondo
Firefox hangs sometimes (which isn't unique to Vista I admit). When it does, I go to the TM and try to end the program with no luck. I then go to the process tab to select the hanging process and still it won't work. Because it is all screwed up, I can not launch Firefox again until I turn off my computer and reboot.

I've had a similar problem with games, like when I am playing Steam titles (i.e. hl2.exe won't terminate). I have full admin rights as the primary and only user of my computer... all processes list my name. Thanks for the utility link. I'll try it next time I have problems.

I have seen hanging in firefox etc caused by some factory overclocked video cards,infact my factory overclocked 7800GT will hang in both XP and Vista sometimes if I run it at default OC speed,simple underclocking of 10-20mhz(I used Gainward Expertool)fixed the problem (100% stability in all games/software etc now) in my case(technically its still overclocked above 7800gt specs).

 

[Nothinman]

I never had driver issues affect Win ME or Win XP

Then you were just very lucky, especialy with WinME.

And even if one of the many problems is a driver issue, why the hell won't Vista allow me to "end process" when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del???? It even tells me in a dialogue box - a VISTA dialogue box - that if the process doesn't end I may have to restart my computer. What?!?! Why can't the stupid thing just kill the process itself like XP and ME could do? That has zero to do with any possible driver issues, so cut the weak defenses of this abomination OS.

If you understood how the OS worked you'd know why that happens and that it happens on all OSes. For instance on Linux whenever a process is waiting on I/O it gets put into a "D" state until the I/O completes and during that time it's unkillable, something similar is probably happening to you in Vista. You can't just kill a process in that state because since the kernel is executing on it's behalf it might be holding locks that are crucial to the rest of the system so just stopping the call would leave them locked and hang other processes wanting to use the same resources. Since you say that it never happened in XP then it's probably architectural change in Vista that the drivers aren't handling well, again the finger points back to the driver writers unless you can show us exactly where FF is hanging.

 

[arredondo]

I have never overclocked anything on my computer, so that isn't it. FF hangs only sometimes, and there are a few sites where it's happend more than once (like Gamefaqs.com for instance).

As luck would have it (bad luck in this case), the 400GB Seagate drive the computer came on started dying on me this morning. HP is sending a new one for free, so I backed up all my files and am now web browsing on my PlayStation 3 until it arrives. I suppose I'll have to reinstall Vista from scratch, right? If anything that should eliminate a random insall error if that were the culprit.

 

[Tempered81]

Im using vista, i hate it.. So far the things it has done wrong for me in contrast to Xp sp2's old stability:

burned bad dvd's
gaming performance dropped
drivers hard to find
random issues with gfx driver stopping
issues with avg freezing


Pros that i like:
right click for run as admin or dx10/dx9
speed of wifi connecting/disconnecting
adaptations for wireless connectivity
UAC preventing virus and malware installtion
aero glass interface
taskbar, clock, look

Cons:
speed & performance: slow as shit
copy and move file dialogue
entire windows explorer and ie7 interface
lack of file/options tab menu in explorer
gaming perfomance is 20% slower on avg
lack of software & driver support

I am sticking with vista only due to its becoming of mainstream and forced adoption.

If windows xp was released after windows vista, It would make more sense to me


I can't imagine i went to this after 4-5 years of development, It really feels like crap and messes up a lot causing me problems. I have vista 32bit home premium updated with sp1 updates.

I really prefer my old xp professional with sp2 over this, but as i said, i will be keeping vista and praying it gets better.

 

[flexy]

I always get a real, real big shock going on my old A64 rig with 1GB ram, checking my mails under XP:

i click on Outlook Express, and OE comes up IN AN INSTANT. Then i press Ctrl-M and my email accounts are checked - again in an instant.

Now i have a quad core at 3600Mhz w/ 4GB ram and Vista 64:

I click on Windows Mail...then i see the Windows Mail Popup. Sometimes i wait 15 seconds..NOTHING happens.

Then Windows Mail starts up finally.

But i dont see anything yet since it coems up blank. It does something on the HD.

I wait another 20 Seconds...then Windows Mail starts to display my mails.

Then i can click "Ctrl-M" and check my emails.

This is only ONE example.


Also.....98 out of 100 re-boots (cold start) i am sitting at the "Vista is shutting down" screen. It can take as long as 5 Minutes until it shuts down and reboots. On avg minimum 1 minute.

This is especially sad since i need to have it shut down properly, otherwise i run into even more trouble.

I tweak a lot and reboot my PC a lot.

Vista is the OS of "waiting". I LITERALLY spend HOURS a day just sitting and starring at Vista for it to finish something.

I know one reason is that right now i am still "tweaking" my system, eg. i am stability testing with OCCT. So i get BSODs once in a while if an overclock is not stable during a test with OCCT. Every BSOD and crash results obviously in re-building the 4gb pagefile and CONSTANT access to the filesystem...again LONG waiting, for shutdown...access to HD to stop etc...etc..

I am aware those are issues which are not occuring in a "normal" system maybe...but regardless its everything else than "snappy". I absolutely HATE this OS, its a disgrace for any decent hardware.

 

[Rebel44]

Flexy could you try clean install? Its likely that one (or more) of your "tweaks" is causing your problem

btw. my rig is very similar (ASUS P5B-E, Core2Quad Q6600 @3,3Ghz - Thermalright Ultra120 Extreme, HD2900XT, 4x1GB A-DATA 800MHz, 750GB SATA2 Samsung, Stacker 831, Enermax Infiniti 720W, 24" LCD AL2423W, Vista 64bit) and my system is snappy

 

[barryng]

Two weeks ago we purchased a new Dell machine with Vista Home Premium, primarily for my wife's use. We started out open minded. If anything, we were looking forward to learning this new operating system and eventually upgrading our two other desktops and two laptops (We have a small real estate business out of our home). At this time I equate Vista to a curse that is designed to make life difficult. A huge step backwards in usability.

1 - A perfectly good HP-7450C sheet feed scanner must now be replaced because the only available Vista drivers have limited functionality.
2 - A perfectly good HP-1215 printer must now be replaced because there are no Vista drivers for it.
3 - We cannot access the C drive on the new Vista machine from other network computers - Only the Public folder can be accessed
4 - It is just too damn slow!

So, we look at the XP machines, and then compare them to the annoying Vista usability and unreasonably expensive hardware issues we are stuck with, and cannot help but to consider Vista a curse. XP is NOT broken, so why fix it?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: barryng
Two weeks ago we purchased a new Dell machine with Vista Home Premium, primarily for my wife's use. We started out open minded. If anything, we were looking forward to learning this new operating system and eventually upgrading our two other desktops and two laptops (We have a small real estate business out of our home). At this time I equate Vista to a curse that is designed to make life difficult. A huge step backwards in usability.

1 - A perfectly good HP-7450C sheet feed scanner must now be replaced because the only available Vista drivers have limited functionality.
2 - A perfectly good HP-1215 printer must now be replaced because there are no Vista drivers for it.
3 - We cannot access the C drive on the new Vista machine from other network computers - Only the Public folder can be accessed
4 - It is just too damn slow!

So, we look at the XP machines, and then compare them to the annoying Vista usability and unreasonably expensive hardware issues we are stuck with, and cannot help but to consider Vista a curse. XP is NOT broken, so why fix it?

I too purchased a Dell Laptop(I installed SP1 RTM) few weeks ago(built to my spec) its has 3GB(free upgrade from to 2GB to 3GB) and Vista HP x86 runs like a dream and fast too,my canon printer is supported "Canon you are one of the best when it comes to driver support for your customers".Gaming even on my lappy is great,I even tried some modded Nvidia drivers from laptopVideo2GO since Dell ones are a bit old.

My MP3/USB devices all work when I plug them in etc....power saving mode works as it should.

I can't complain at all, as I already stated in an earlier post I'm still waiting for my first crash,I did remove the Mcafee bloatware security AV and replaced it with something better,end of the day you get positive and negative experiences with ANY OS,it all depends on the hardware and software you use etc..


Some people might think this is the only Vista OS that I'm using,I also have Vista x64 HP on my main PC too thats fast and rock stable.I also have XP on backup PC but never had to use it apart from updating drivers/software etc...

So, we look at the XP machines, and then compare them to the annoying Vista usability and unreasonably expensive hardware issues we are stuck with, and cannot help but to consider Vista a curse. XP is NOT broken, so why fix it?

That is asked all the time even before the good old DOS 6.22 days and you can bet will not stop at Windows 7,8 etc....its called progress.

Hardware is getting cheaper,I remember paying around $200 for just 4mb back in the DOS days,now look what you can get for $200.

End of the day you can't please everybody regardless of the OS in question.It's sad in a way because I know we'll see the same sort of threads with Windows 7,8 etc down the road,yes I remember 2K users asking why we needed XP,we are full circle again.

1 - A perfectly good HP-7450C sheet feed scanner must now be replaced because the only available Vista drivers have limited functionality.
2 - A perfectly good HP-1215 printer must now be replaced because there are no Vista drivers for it.

That's not Vista's fault,I would call it bad customer support from HP,if other companies can release good Vista driver support why can't HP?

 

[barryng]

It is indeed Vista's fault! The XP systems we are using on our other machines are not broken. They are reliable and fast. Because of Vista, XP support will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future. Therefore, I will be forced to upgrade all our machines to Vista. This in turn will force us to trash hardware that works well and supports our needs. I agree HP could provide much better driver support but this would not be an issue if I could continue to use an operating system that functions just fine.

Also Vista operates significantly slower than XP and, maddeningly, no matter what I do, I do not have complete access to the folders and files on my own computer. We do not run games, mostly we use internet, email, real estate apps, digital photo apps, and MS Office applications. The Vista machine takes much longer to boot, and application take longer to load. In addition, we found one specialized real estate app that is not compatible with Vista and no upgrade is available.

In other words, XP is not broken so I now resent having to spend hard earned money on new peripherals we must have. Until the advent of the current edition of XP there was always a reason to eventually upgrade due to stability and usability issues. Every one of these issues has been finally resolved with XP so any change now costs us time and money for no obvious gain. So Mem, regardless of your thoughts, you cannot change the fact that I hate the GD thing because it costs me money and makes life harder on us, with nothing obvious to gain.

Here is the bottom line. MS has legitimate business reasons to periodically roll out new products (i.e. Vista). We have legitimate business reasons for not upgrading anything unless there is a valid reason to do so. Vista costs us unnecessary money for new hardware, limits how we can manipulate files between our computers, and costs more time than XP. The subject of this thread is "Why do people hate Vista?". That is why I hate it. Of course we will be forced to live with it but right now I cannot see what benefit I am getting from it, compared to what we have now.

 

[Nothinman]

Because of Vista, XP support will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future.

Uh no. I's more likely that because of newer hardware models HP decided not to write Vista drivers for your scanner and printer. No one is to blame but HP.

Therefore, I will be forced to upgrade all our machines to Vista. This in turn will force us to trash hardware that works well and supports our needs. I agree HP could provide much better driver support but this would not be an issue if I could continue to use an operating system that functions just fine.

AFAIK no one is forcing you to install Vista. XP still works and will be supported for a while and there's always the options of OS X or Linux too.

Also Vista operates significantly slower than XP and, maddeningly, no matter what I do, I do not have complete access to the folders and files on my own computer.

Supposedly it gets better after a few week after Vista's had some time to index everything and do some profiling to make SuperFetch semi-intelligent. I didn't run Vista long enough to find out if that was true but while I was running it performance seemed fine and I had access to everything that I could find.

In addition, we found one specialized real estate app that is not compatible with Vista and no upgrade is available.

Then yell at whoever writes that application.

In other words, XP is not broken so I now resent having to spend hard earned money on new peripherals we must have.

So talk to Dell or MS and see about trading your Vista license for an XP license.

Until the advent of the current edition of XP there was always a reason to eventually upgrade due to stability and usability issues. Every one of these issues has been finally resolved with XP so any change now costs us time and money for no obvious gain. So Mem, regardless of your thoughts, you cannot change the fact that I hate the GD thing because it costs me money and makes life harder on us, with nothing obvious to gain.

Some people believe that Vista solves a number of usability issues and things like UAC and SuperFetch are generally a good thing. There's going to be a learning curve with any new system but crying about it doesn't help.

Here is the bottom line. MS has legitimate business reasons to periodically roll out new products (i.e. Vista). We have legitimate business reasons for not upgrading anything unless there is a valid reason to do so. Vista costs us unnecessary money for new hardware, limits how we can manipulate files between our computers, and costs more time than XP. The subject of this thread is "Why do people hate Vista?". That is why I hate it. Of course we will be forced to live with it but right now I cannot see what benefit I am getting from it, compared to what we have now.

If it's really that bad for you look at a new system. Only an idiot would force himself to use a system that's hurting himself that much.

 

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Originally posted by: flexy
I know one reason is that right now i am still "tweaking" my system,

Originally posted by: flexy
I am aware those are issues which are not occuring in a "normal" system

This is precisely why you are having trouble with Vista. If you would leave Vista alone and leave it mostly at defaults, it would be just a snappy as XP. I don't have any of the issues with Vista on my system that you described. This is a Nforce4 socket 939 system with a X2 4200+ CPU and 2 Gigs of RAM. I have found through testing that tweaking Vista like you did under XP can have serious impact on performance. You are best served to leave it alone if you do not know what you are doing.

Vista is every bit as responsive and snappy on this system as XP because I have made only minor modifications to it. I know from trial and error what is safe to tweak and what is not.