Why do people hate Vista?

[Doom Machine]

the hatred towards it comes from several different areas. and i beg anyone to disagree with me

1. its not the perfect OS that many enthusiasts has been hoping for.
80% of computer users only care about typical things like photo/video editiing,gaming...etc, its the enthusiasts who tend to care too much as many expected too much. its like a star trek nerd convention...they get together and argue about geek stuff that majority of people would say.."who cares?" or perhaps laugh at the thought.....i know i laugh at trek/star wars nerds as likely as my neghbor *steve* would laugh at this conversations of text.

2. its not revelutionary or very different in many ways compared to previous versions or other OS's.
especially seeing how so many linux distro's look just like windows and OSX ...similar enough, in other words theres nothing thats truely different about how the user interacts and i think many enthusiasts want to interact with things differently ....somehow in thier fantasy land i guess.

3. many enthusiasts want to see MS fail. they dont like the idea of "big daddy" some think they have no control despite the fact that they have every control except viewing/changing code and being under a license...its like a new techno hippy ideaology. you just have to learn how to make it do what you want despite its not always obvious or easy. many of these new "techno hipies" have fallen in love with the idea's that linux distro's follow and they tend to want to force windows/OSX users to think like them as apparant from so many threads, total freedom is nice but not for everyone and it has its many downfalls as well...just as many faults as any OS, same B.S. just a different texture is all.

4. many users have experienced alot of problems using vista. despite most of them not being vista's fault...if any.
some like to ignore/forgets that even hardware quality/brands...etc play a huge role in how stable and well an OS like vista wants despite its "recommended hardware specs"
like any OS vista isnt perfectly coded nor could anything be imo. one persons problem isnt founded by everyone so obviously something else is cause in relation.

5. now add in the fact that its taken what now? 6 years for MS to release it...and the companies who make drivers cant grasp a perfect driver yet?...the he** you say! ...this "its not fair" attititude along with retards trying to run it on cheap brand hardware parts like PNY ram and stuff and they expect miracles...its just not fair is it?

just learn from history, a couple years down the road, when drivers stabilize and then turn to better performance..as the cycle goes each time, MS works out some kinks with certain hardware type issue's..etc this all will be long forgotten untill the next OS arrives, meanwhile i'm going to play some oblivion, afterwhich i have a LIFE to attend to, not much of one but its better than caring about the drivel of OS nerds arguing over which is best.

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
1. its not the perfect OS that many enthusiasts has been hoping for.
80% of computer users only care about typical things like photo/video editiing,gaming...etc, its the enthusiasts who tend to care too much as many expected too much. its like a star trek nerd convention...they get together and argue about geek stuff that majority of people would say.."who cares?" or perhaps laugh at the thought.....i know i laugh at trek/star wars nerds as likely as my neghbor *steve* would laugh at this conversations of text.

Now this I have to disagree with. It's mostly the Average Joes complaining about Vista, not enthusiasts. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista runs slow on his machine, so he blames Vista for it. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista is using 80+% of his memory, so he says Vista is a resource hog and a piece of crap.

 

[Slammy1]

Yeah, I gota admit. After 1 night of installing apps it's been pretty easy. I think, if anyone's getting nervous, it's the pirates.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: StopSign
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Doom Machine
1. its not the perfect OS that many enthusiasts has been hoping for.
80% of computer users only care about typical things like photo/video editiing,gaming...etc, its the enthusiasts who tend to care too much as many expected too much. its like a star trek nerd convention...they get together and argue about geek stuff that majority of people would say.."who cares?" or perhaps laugh at the thought.....i know i laugh at trek/star wars nerds as likely as my neghbor *steve* would laugh at this conversations of text.</end quote></div>
Now this I have to disagree with. It's mostly the Average Joes complaining about Vista, not enthusiasts. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista runs slow on his machine, so he blames Vista for it. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista is using 80+% of his memory, so he says Vista is a resource hog and a piece of crap.

the average joe wants a pc that works well, vista being a memory hog is an issue with the os not the user

 

[StopSign]

When did I say Vista is a memory hog?

 

[gizbug]

Why?

The constant IRQL BSOD's that appear on fresh installs of Vista 64 and Vista 32. You think after years of os's that ms puts out that this problem would have gone away or been minimized by now, but nope. I guess the lack of support by nVIDIA doesn't help either.

Again, Vista is just a beefed up version of XP

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Why?

The constant IRQL BSOD's that appear on fresh installs of Vista 64 and Vista 32. You think after years of os's that ms puts out that this problem would have gone away or been minimized by now, but nope. I guess the lack of support by nVIDIA doesn't help either.

Again, Vista is just a beefed up version of XP

That's not a Vista issue - mostly down to shoddy work by driver manufacturers. Vista installed properly on decent hardware is a great OS and has many reasons to recommend it over XP which have been discussed here many times.

 

[Maximilian]

Yeah it really is just a beefed up version of XP, good way to put it. I like it, its fine, but its not worth what theyre charging for it and its not that big a leap from XP. Its basically XP with 64 bit support, cleartype everywhere, better ctrl+alt+del mechanism, and a games explorer. Oh it can play chess with you too.

 

[Ryland]

Once I got past having to pull my single PATA drive to get Vista to install on my SATA drive I had no problems. The only pieces of hardware that didn't (and still don't) have drivers was my Epson scanner that is 5-10 years old and my wifes Palm T3. Various other programs haven't worked but that is because I installed Vista64. It has been nice and stable so far.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: spherrod
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gizbug
Why?

The constant IRQL BSOD's that appear on fresh installs of Vista 64 and Vista 32. You think after years of os's that ms puts out that this problem would have gone away or been minimized by now, but nope. I guess the lack of support by nVIDIA doesn't help either.

Again, Vista is just a beefed up version of XP</end quote></div>

That's not a Vista issue - mostly down to shoddy work by driver manufacturers. Vista installed properly on decent hardware is a great OS and has many reasons to recommend it over XP which have been discussed here many times.

I was going to say the same thing, but didn't bother. Vista's been out long enough that people should have already researched it's features, and should already know what the important changes from XP are. If you've done your proper reading, and still come to the conclusion that Vista's a prettyfied XP, then I'd suggest some basic tech classes, or a reading comprehension primer to get up to speed.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Why?

The constant IRQL BSOD's that appear on fresh installs of Vista 64 and Vista 32.

Never seen a single one of these.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Raduque
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gizbug
Why?

The constant IRQL BSOD's that appear on fresh installs of Vista 64 and Vista 32. </end quote></div>

Never seen a single one of these.

Me neither. Clean as a whistle, sharp as a thistle!

KT

 

[ColdFusion718]

I'm waiting for the OS to become more mature with some updates and better drivers. I've used it and I like it, but it's not ready for prime time yet.

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: kalster
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: StopSign
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Doom Machine
1. its not the perfect OS that many enthusiasts has been hoping for.
80% of computer users only care about typical things like photo/video editiing,gaming...etc, its the enthusiasts who tend to care too much as many expected too much. its like a star trek nerd convention...they get together and argue about geek stuff that majority of people would say.."who cares?" or perhaps laugh at the thought.....i know i laugh at trek/star wars nerds as likely as my neghbor *steve* would laugh at this conversations of text.</end quote></div>
Now this I have to disagree with. It's mostly the Average Joes complaining about Vista, not enthusiasts. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista runs slow on his machine, so he blames Vista for it. The Average Joe can't figure out why Vista is using 80+% of his memory, so he says Vista is a resource hog and a piece of crap.</end quote></div>

the average joe wants a pc that works well, vista being a memory hog is an issue with the os not the user

did you not know about superfetch and how it works?
its the main memory usage, once something else requires it, its moved to readyboost stick less its not available then its moved to disk, afterwhich once memory is free'd its put back into ram.

also theres lots of services that can be disabled thats not used by user.
i'm currently at 21% out of 2 gigs...wow its just such a burden, if yours uses more then disable superfetch and uneeded services

 

[videopho]

Just built a new decent rig with Vista 64 Home Prem with direct connection to my other xbox 360.
Simply put, I'm hooked!
Farewell to XP...

 

[imported_synchro]

Picture a PC with Windows XP on it... now rename and relocate all of your normal icons, menu items, and configuration sliders/check boxes.
Now add more overhead, annoying pop-up boxes, and a fat price tag...
- You have Vista -

The bit-locker feature and improved search features are all a friend at MS could try an push on me -

Do like most people if you're thinking of buying it - wait for SP1 to come out and for drivers to mature -

 

[soonerproud]

I just installed Vista 32bit and this is a huge improvement over the release candidates. I am waiting for my new 2 gigs of memory to come in from newegg. Even with 1 gig Vista flies once you turn off the sidebar. WoW plays just as well under Vista with the current nvidia drivers as it did with XP. I was surprised to find drivers for all my hardware including my Audigy SE sound card. I am really impressed at how much more stable and polished it is than both the RC and XP.

I find it funny and yet sad that all the mudslinging against Vista is almost exactly the same things said about XP in 2001/2002. Now many of those same people are singing the praises of XP while conveniently forgetting they said the exact same garbage about XP.

99% of the issues people are having with Vista falls into 3 categories.

1. Too little ram. Microsoft should really be honest and call the lowest recommended RAM at 1 gig. They did the same thing with XP when they said 128 and 256 megs of ram would be enough. Then OEM's sell cheap boxes with only the minimum recommended from MS to save money. This causes many people to claim Vista is slow just as they did with XP when it came out.

2. Underpowered Hardware. Again MS has mislead people by setting the specs for Vista too low. If your hardware is more than 2 years old Vista will seem slow simply because it was not made for that hardware. This leads people to install Vista on hardware that has no business running a modern operating system.

3. Bad/No Drivers. This one is not the fault of MS. The Hardware manufactures dropped the ball even though they had almost a year to get drivers ready for Vista. This is where the most problems are occurring. Luckily it is almost sorted out for the most part.

These three things are why many people have had bad experiences with Vista. As long as you installed Vista on the hardware it was designed for and get enough RAM, Vista is a huge improvement over XP.

Some people on the other hand just hate anything Microsoft and will not only bash Vista but create entirely new FUD out of thin air. A lot of the criticisms of Vista in this thread are just FUD. From what I read so far, I would bet that several of these people have not even used Vista at all.

I just wish all the FUD would stop from all sides. All I seem to read any more is a bunch of FUD about Linux, Mac and Windows now days. All sides are guilty of it and it is tiring.

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: synchro
Picture a PC with Windows XP on it... now rename and relocate all of your normal icons, menu items, and configuration sliders/check boxes.
Now add more overhead, annoying pop-up boxes, and a fat price tag...
- You have Vista -

The bit-locker feature and improved search features are all a friend at MS could try an push on me -

Do like most people if you're thinking of buying it - wait for SP1 to come out and for drivers to mature -

your friend at Microsoft doesn't sound very well informed

 

[MarcVenice]

I've installed Vista Ultimate, got it as a free copy, to go with some Vista only games. Anyways, I read the Vista 'optimization' thread, where for one thing disabling the fading windows when you minimalize or close them really makes things feel snappier. But for now I still prefer using XP over Vista. Why ? Well, coz everything is familiar, like the start menu, it's really kind of weird in Vista, and I'm searching for things I could find in a heartbeat in XP for way to long in Vista.

I probably can and have to adjust a few things in the way Vista works/looks, and I bet it's easy, but I haven't found it yet, nor have I had the time or want to figure it out yet. I simply play the Vista only games, Halo 2 is crap btw, shadowrun is okay in my book, and will probably continue to do so for a while, especially since ALL my settings, favorites, passwords and what not are in XP allready.

Oh, and dualbooting works just fine in Vista, I simply had to make a new partition using partition magic, put Vista on it, and when I power on my PC, it lets me pick between Vista, and 'older version of Windows' and no I'm not kidding, thats what it says

Oh, and I think you can also install Vista on the same partition as XP, or whatever other windows version. The installer sais the old windows will be put in a windows.old map, and that it can no longer be used. But a friend of mine said he could use his old version just fine.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: spherrod
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: synchro
Picture a PC with Windows XP on it... now rename and relocate all of your normal icons, menu items, and configuration sliders/check boxes.
Now add more overhead, annoying pop-up boxes, and a fat price tag...
- You have Vista -

The bit-locker feature and improved search features are all a friend at MS could try an push on me -

Do like most people if you're thinking of buying it - wait for SP1 to come out and for drivers to mature -</end quote></div>

your friend at Microsoft doesn't sound very well informed

He's a janitor

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Most people who "hate" Vista are just daft.

The few that are left after singling those out are those with legitimate complaints and there ARE those too no matter how much some try to deny it.

But most people are just daft.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Slammy1
I went to BB to pick up one of their Acer laptop clearance deals and the CSR had a lot of horror stories about Vista. I'm not sure why he'd say all the things he did, I know some of it was BS. From the beginning, Vista will not allow you to install MS Office unless it's the most recent version. So my copy of Office 2003 will not work on Vista. OpenOffice will not install either, because it is open source and Vista sees that as illegal software (that's a big percent of the programs/apps I run...). All of the compressed songs I created myself from my own CDs will not work on Vista, I'd need to recompress them using the original CDs (not a problem, but I have ca 400 CDs). Microsoft will completely withdraw support for XP in 2 years. He said they get a lot of Vista laptop returns.

EDIT: Almost forgot.

He said Vista will prevent me from installing any other OS on the laptop, so no downgrade to XP or Linux.

???

Microsoft to simplify downgrades from Vista to XP

Microsoft is simplifying the processes via which its PC-maker partners will be able to provide ?downgrade? rights from Windows Vista to Windows XP for their customers.

Microsoft will implement the first of the policy changes for its Gold Certified (top-tier) OEM partners within the next couple of weeks. The company will streamline downgrade-rights policies and procedures for the broader channel somewhat later, said John Ball, general manager of Microsoft?s U.S. Systems Group.

Under the current rules, OEMs must call about and file for each and every machine the license keys required to downgrade from Vista to XP. But Microsoft is planning to move to a new policy which will allow its top 170 OEM partners to submit these keys online for groups of machines, which will save them time and reduce complexity, Ball said.

Microsoft is working on ways to allow the rest of the channel to take advantage of these simplified downgrade procedures, but is still in the midst of hashing out the details, Ball said. He didn?t have a timetable for when Microsoft will make its more liberal downgrade-rights policies available to the rest of its PC partners.

Microsoft doesn?t view the popularity of user requests to downgrade from Vista to XP as a ding against Vista

Ball said Microsoft officials will highlight data meant to counteract the impression by some that Vista isn?t doing well in the marketplace. Among the datapoints Microsoft will emphasize, according to Ball:

Ninety-nine percent of all Windows PCs sold at retail are being sold with Vista preloaded

Seventy-eight percent of PCs preloaded with Vista are shipping with ?premium? SKUs (like Vista Ultimate and Vista Home Premium)

Microsoft is experiencing 21 percent fewer support calls with Vista than it did with Windows XP

Fewer security issues that need patching with Vista than XP (five Vista issues in the first 90 days vs. 18 with XP in the first 90 days)

Device compatibility is high and getting higher daily

All this sounds good on (virtual) paper. Like my ZDNet blogging colleague Ed Bott, I wouldn?t go so far as to call Vista ?Windows Me2.?

But I know I still wouldn?t want to be a Vista salesperson?.

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: synchro
Picture a PC with Windows XP on it... now rename and relocate all of your normal icons, menu items, and configuration sliders/check boxes.
Now add more overhead, annoying pop-up boxes, and a fat price tag...
- You have Vista -

The bit-locker feature and improved search features are all a friend at MS could try an push on me -

Do like most people if you're thinking of buying it - wait for SP1 to come out and for drivers to mature -

Picture a guy walking into Bestbuy. We'll call him Bob. Bob is a noob who knows nothing about computers in general. Bob also failed high school English so he can't read.

 

[bsobel]

i'm currently at 21% out of 2 gigs...wow its just such a burden, if yours uses more then disable superfetch and uneeded services

Why would anyone want to purposely disable superfetch? With superfetch one, your still at 21% of your 2gigs but the other 79% is being used to preload pages you might access. If you dont and need the ram they are instantly discarded from the cache and given to you. Its a win win.

 

[StopSign]

^ Very true. People, for whatever strange reason, think it takes a long time to flush the RAM. It doesn't. Flushing the RAM is literally instant. Loading data from hard drive to RAM is what takes a long time (relatively speaking, of course).

Scenario 1: Nothing cached in RAM
XP: Data is not in RAM. Needs to load from hard drive.
Vista: Data is not in RAM. Needs to load from hard drive.

Scenario 2a: RAM is pretty full
XP: Data is not in RAM. Flush some RAM, then needs to load from hard drive.
Vista: Data is not in RAM. Flush some RAM, then needs to load from hard drive.

Scenario 2b: RAM is pretty full
XP: Data is not in RAM. Flush some RAM, then needs to load from hard drive.
Vista: RAM is pretty full because data is already cached, so no need to flush RAM. Program loads much faster.