Why do people hate Vista?

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Raduque
Come back troll! *waves some food at SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
600 different versions.

There's only 4 SKUs that matter in the states: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and Ultimate

Continued hard drive thrashing after the OS screen is started up with 2gb of ram.

It's called Superfetch, and it pwns your face.

Works like crap on laptops.

No. No it doesn't. Well, it does if your laptop is crap.

Forced updates.

Forced updates? No more so then in XP. Turn off Automatic Updates and you'll be able to manage updates the same as XP.

Same old legacy NTFS file system.

Big deal, the searching and indexing is a hundred times faster and more efficient.

Sleep doesn't work on 2 laptops I tried it on.

User error.

Cancel or Allow for everything.

You can turn off UAC

It was basically a runaway project, it went over the budget and was delayed many times.

Again, big deal. The end result is a satisfying experience. It's the first OS I've bought since Windows 95!

Actually Vista does suck on laptops unless you have 2 GB of memory. I tried several laptops at Frys with Vista and it just sucked. Also, I upgraded my current laptop and Vista wouldn't let me play DVDs. Said I lacked memory, and I had 1GB installed. I am sure it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I'll wait on it. I don't want to have to buy the top of the line hardware to run the OS when XP still does everything I need. And for the record for the guy that said XP was 7 years old, um no, it isn't. Windows 2000 is 7 years old, but XP came after that one

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Actually Vista does suck on laptops unless you have 2 GB of memory. I tried several laptops at Frys with Vista and it just sucked. Also, I upgraded my current laptop and Vista wouldn't let me play DVDs. Said I lacked memory, and I had 1GB installed. I am sure it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I'll wait on it. I don't want to have to buy the top of the line hardware to run the OS when XP still does everything I need. And for the record for the guy that said XP was 7 years old, um no, it isn't. Windows 2000 is 7 years old, but XP came after that one

My laptop specs:

T5600 (1 GHz running on battery mode)
2x512 DDR2-533
Intel GMA950
120 GB 5400 RPM SATA

Please explain to me why Vista is buttery smooth on my laptop with full Aero enabled? Please, I expect a well-thought out explanation for my "miracle." I won't accept "Because Jesus loves you" as an answer.

 

[sanspaper]

xp is a solid system (as windows goes), and i can honestly see vista become the next windows me....

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: sanspaper
xp is a solid system (as windows goes), and i can honestly see vista become the next windows me....

Your basing your well versed argument on, exactly, what please?

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Slammy1
I went to BB to pick up one of their Acer laptop clearance deals and the CSR had a lot of horror stories about Vista. I'm not sure why he'd say all the things he did, I know some of it was BS. From the beginning, Vista will not allow you to install MS Office unless it's the most recent version. So my copy of Office 2003 will not work on Vista. OpenOffice will not install either, because it is open source and Vista sees that as illegal software (that's a big percent of the programs/apps I run...). All of the compressed songs I created myself from my own CDs will not work on Vista, I'd need to recompress them using the original CDs (not a problem, but I have ca 400 CDs). Microsoft will completely withdraw support for XP in 2 years. He said they get a lot of Vista laptop returns.

EDIT: Almost forgot. He said Vista will prevent me from installing any other OS on the laptop, so no downgrade to XP or Linux.

It's rare to see so much complete BS in a single post. Every single item you stated in your post is incorrect ranging from 'wrong' to 'straight up lie'

Bill

 

[VirtualLarry]

This one is for you, Bill.
Damn, for some reason that link only works on that page itself. Must be evil javascript blocking it.

Richard Eng :
That's right, Neil. Everyone who has written a bad word about Vista is lying. Vista has no compatibility issues. Vista has no driver problems. Vista has no bugs.

The dozens of contributing editors at Ziff Davis (including CNET, eWeek, PC Magazine, etc.) are part of a conspiracy.

So are the writers at Computerworld, InfoWorld, and PC World (all part of the IDG publishing group).

And what about all the people who complain about Vista installation/upgrade difficulties? They're all lying. There are no installation problems with Vista. Period. They're all hallucinating.

Vista is just fine for everyone. It's perfectly safe to install. Don't worry about performance. Forget about any concerns over bugs. You have nothing to be afraid of.

Go ahead, make the jump.

Posted by Richard Eng | April 23, 2007 1:00 PM

 

[bsobel]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
This one is for you, Bill.</end quote></div>

I have no idea what your point is. There wasn't a single factually correct statement in Slammy1's post. Best I can tell your just continuing to troll.

Btw, I like what you did there. Found another post by another internet user that agreed with you and posted it like it was an article, not the blog response that it actually is.

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: sanspaper
xp is a solid system (as windows goes), and i can honestly see vista become the next windows me....

thank you so much for your contribution :roll:

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: bsobel
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
This one is for you, Bill.</end quote></div>

I have no idea what your point is. There wasn't a single factually correct statement in Slammy1's post. Best I can tell your just continuing to troll.

Btw, I like what you did there. Found another post by another internet user that agreed with you and posted it like it was an article, not the blog response that it actually is.

I'm sure you confused a blog post with an actual article, I mean the url including a string like "#comment_xxx" couldn't have tipped you off, right?

Btw, my post had nothing to do with Slammy1's post.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Even Microsofties have trouble installing Vista

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Even Microsofties have trouble installing Vista

I guess you missed his follow-up blog:

Problem solved!

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: StopSign
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Even Microsofties have trouble installing Vista
</end quote></div>
I guess you missed his follow-up blog:

Problem solved!

He probably didn't miss it, it just didn't match his agenda.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: JiveCoolie
But still.. everywhere I go I see people knocking Vista. Why? I have YET to read a decent criticism with facts at hand.. Mostly what I see is people stating they don't like it.. they don't know why they don't like it but they are sure they hate it.

Operating systems should be invisible. They should do only what is necessary, and get out of the way otherwise.

Vista runs contrary to this basic principle. It does unncessary things, and it gets "in your face" far too often.

Vista is the anti-OS.

You're joking, right? Unless you've got wood for DOS and can't see anything else you HAVE to know that GUI-based OS's have been in-your-face constucts for ages now, and we won't be going back. When I want Vista out of the way, if I want to play a game, it is.

Also, and there's nothing personal here, but what you're saying is NOT a "basic principle", it's your opinion, and woefully out-of-touch opinion at that.

 

[marpibeach]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: NicColt

?Microsoft will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software.? It will once again ?send information about (whatever software) . . . version and product key of the software, and the Internet protocol address of the device.? to Microsoft."

Whithin Microsoft's right it will not ask, it 'will' validate. It will then without asking 'send' the information that you do not get to see back to Microsoft.

so explain how some people i know have been running the same pirated install since december without a single problem.

I had to laugh reading your post, because I too know people running hacked copies of Vista w/o any problems. Rock solid machines. I've even seen them do OS verification through MS.

 

[StopSign]

The cracks will validate WGA when you download stuff from MS's site. You even get a verification code.

 

[soonerproud]

I think VirtualLarry has had enough of the cyanide laced Kool-Aid.

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: bsobel
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Slammy1
I went to BB to pick up one of their Acer laptop clearance deals and the CSR had a lot of horror stories about Vista. I'm not sure why he'd say all the things he did, I know some of it was BS. From the beginning, Vista will not allow you to install MS Office unless it's the most recent version. So my copy of Office 2003 will not work on Vista. OpenOffice will not install either, because it is open source and Vista sees that as illegal software (that's a big percent of the programs/apps I run...). All of the compressed songs I created myself from my own CDs will not work on Vista, I'd need to recompress them using the original CDs (not a problem, but I have ca 400 CDs). Microsoft will completely withdraw support for XP in 2 years. He said they get a lot of Vista laptop returns.

EDIT: Almost forgot. He said Vista will prevent me from installing any other OS on the laptop, so no downgrade to XP or Linux.</end quote></div>

It's rare to see so much complete BS in a single post. Every single item you stated in your post is incorrect ranging from 'wrong' to 'straight up lie'

Bill

Actually, if you read my post I was saying what the BB CSR said about Vista. I actually went to a different BB and bought the laptop the next night (Vista and all) and, reported in a subsequent post, how it runs fine no problems. Not that a prebuilt laptop really meaningful, after all it's designed and tested to Vista, I'd be more interested in what the system builders think about unforeseen issues on otherwise compatible and clean systems.

It's also interesting how my posts get misrepresented here, even from Elite members, I can see why I don't post much on A-Tech anymore.

 

[Modelworks]

My biggest gripe with vista is that its trying to be more than an os.
I just want an os to run my programs that I install, not come with its own set of programs that I'm required to use.

Maybe thats why I liked win2k so much, Its stripped down to only whats necessary and you can add what you need.

 

[t0mn8r]

JiveCoolie,
At the risk of sounding contentious (which is why forums exist IMO) there are a number of reasons why people (including myself) don't like Vista.

1. Vista is unpredictable. One behaviour one day, different behaviour the next. This includes items like not being able to set Explorer up to your preferences instead of its preference (if you are looking for an example).

2. UAC. I appreciate the fact that M$ tried to address security as they were beaten up about it for years. I believe that the bahviour of UAC is totally appropriate to Corporate installations but not for the home user. It would not have been very difficult technically to alter the default behaviour of home installs vs. Corporate installs (using GP) saving everyone big headaches. Example is simple file sharing (again if you are looking for an example).

3. Software compatibility. This is really irksome. In Windows 2K and XP you were given an option of running mis-behaving programs in Compatibility mode. That worked more than 90% of the time. In Vista I have yet to see it work for any program. Either you provide it or don't. Do not mislead us into thinking that the programs will work. An example (a weak one) is AvP 1. This had to be run in Compatibility mode on XP and worked. Broken in Vista.

There are a number of additional reasons why I don't like Vista.

Don't get me wrong. There are some fabolous advantages like mind blowing memory management. IMO perfect.

It's pretty but I would rather have easy home networking (don't get me started on that subject) than a pretty Mac-like interface.

I am a 30 year computer veteran (yeah, I'm really too old to hang around in forums) so I am not a n008 but this is the first time that I have a daily struggle to keep this OS on my machine.

Before any1 comments, yes, I have a strictly legit, unhacked copy of Vista, so nyah.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Don't forget the umpteen million crashes it likes to do. I gave up after 10, counting the number of times i've had to hit the reset button today.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Scooby Doo
Don't forget the umpteen million crashes it likes to do. I gave up after 10, counting the number of times i've had to hit the reset button today.

Sounds like a more serious problem then just the OS,do you think Microsoft would release Vista if it was that unstable,FYI most people including myself have no issues with Vista(I game on it everyday as well) if I was you I would start looking at hardware issues like ram etc...rather then blame the OS.

 

[nerp]

Been running Vista on both my laptop and Desktop since Jan 31. Not one crash, ever. And I do some serious stuff all around. Gaming, encoding, audio production, video editing as well as writing, notation and research for my job as a reporter. Not one crash. NADA.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Slammy1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: bsobel
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Slammy1
I went to BB to pick up one of their Acer laptop clearance deals and the CSR had a lot of horror stories about Vista. I'm not sure why he'd say all the things he did, I know some of it was BS. From the beginning, Vista will not allow you to install MS Office unless it's the most recent version. So my copy of Office 2003 will not work on Vista. OpenOffice will not install either, because it is open source and Vista sees that as illegal software (that's a big percent of the programs/apps I run...). All of the compressed songs I created myself from my own CDs will not work on Vista, I'd need to recompress them using the original CDs (not a problem, but I have ca 400 CDs). Microsoft will completely withdraw support for XP in 2 years. He said they get a lot of Vista laptop returns.

EDIT: Almost forgot. He said Vista will prevent me from installing any other OS on the laptop, so no downgrade to XP or Linux.</end quote></div>

It's rare to see so much complete BS in a single post. Every single item you stated in your post is incorrect ranging from 'wrong' to 'straight up lie'

Bill
</end quote></div>

Actually, if you read my post I was saying what the BB CSR said about Vista. I actually went to a different BB and bought the laptop the next night (Vista and all) and, reported in a subsequent post, how it runs fine no problems. Not that a prebuilt laptop really meaningful, after all it's designed and tested to Vista, I'd be more interested in what the system builders think about unforeseen issues on otherwise compatible and clean systems.

It's also interesting how my posts get misrepresented here, even from Elite members, I can see why I don't post much on A-Tech anymore.

Yeah, bsobel is pretty knowledgeable about the Windows OSes, but he does tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to any MS criticism.

Originally posted by: t0mn8r
JiveCoolie,
At the risk of sounding contentious (which is why forums exist IMO) there are a number of reasons why people (including myself) don't like Vista.

1. Vista is unpredictable. One behaviour one day, different behaviour the next. This includes items like not being able to set Explorer up to your preferences instead of its preference (if you are looking for an example).

2. UAC. I appreciate the fact that M$ tried to address security as they were beaten up about it for years. I believe that the bahviour of UAC is totally appropriate to Corporate installations but not for the home user. It would not have been very difficult technically to alter the default behaviour of home installs vs. Corporate installs (using GP) saving everyone big headaches. Example is simple file sharing (again if you are looking for an example).

3. Software compatibility. This is really irksome. In Windows 2K and XP you were given an option of running mis-behaving programs in Compatibility mode. That worked more than 90% of the time. In Vista I have yet to see it work for any program. Either you provide it or don't. Do not mislead us into thinking that the programs will work. An example (a weak one) is AvP 1. This had to be run in Compatibility mode on XP and worked. Broken in Vista.

There are a number of additional reasons why I don't like Vista.

Don't get me wrong. There are some fabolous advantages like mind blowing memory management. IMO perfect.

It's pretty but I would rather have easy home networking (don't get me started on that subject) than a pretty Mac-like interface.

I am a 30 year computer veteran (yeah, I'm really too old to hang around in forums) so I am not a n008 but this is the first time that I have a daily struggle to keep this OS on my machine.

Before any1 comments, yes, I have a strictly legit, unhacked copy of Vista, so nyah.

b-b-but, you can't have your own opinion, that's called "bandwagoning" according to this thread. If you want to truly be a creative and original person, you MUST do what Microsoft tells you to!

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: Scooby Doo
Don't forget the umpteen million crashes it likes to do. I gave up after 10, counting the number of times i've had to hit the reset button today.

Has it ever occurred to you that it just might not be Vista's fault?

 

[Mem]

In Vista I have yet to see it work for any program. Either you provide it or don't. Do not mislead us into thinking that the programs will work. An example (a weak one) is AvP 1. This had to be run in Compatibility mode on XP and worked. Broken in Vista.

Complete crap,I could not get UFO:Afterlight to run in Vista x64,guess what selecting WinXP compatiblity mode fixed it straight away,so it does work,also SWG(Star Wars Galaxies) its recommended you use XP compatibility mode and yes I had to use it,link to thread and guide. .

Everytime I come back to this thread there is so much FUD and misinformation about Vista.