Why do people have to give uman characteristics to everything around them? It's annoying, really.

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Raiden256
First: If you're supposed to be some kind of serious poster, then WTF is your deal about spelling HUMAN without the "H"? Is this some stance you're taking or just willful ignorance? Inquiring minds, and the rest of ATOT, want to know.

Second: Excepting as it relates to the endocrine system and the associated effect on aggression / docility / etc, you can't breed behavior --- only characteristics. We've had our 10yo dogs since they were a couple weeks old, and lemme tell you, they're every bit as emotional as our 2 and 5yo kids.

Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?

Because it's the 4th of July and it's very umid outside.

Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?

Because it feels umiliated.

Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?

It wasn't ungry.

Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

It wanted her to be around in case she needed to use the eimlich maneuver.

 

[Raiden256]

LOL nice... very nice!

 

[Arcadio]

Originally posted by: Raiden256

[*]Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?
[*]Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs get made and start kicking their feet when my wife sits at her desk and works? (hell, even I can't explain that one?)
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs absolutely lose their mind with excitement when I ask them if they want to go for a walk?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

All those behaviors can be explained by my reasoning. They gradually became part of a dog's normal behavior after so many generations of selective breeding. Pet's owners reinforce those behaviors by consciously or subconsciously supplying basic needs (food, water) to their pets after they display such behaviors. Positive reinforcement. Now all dogs have such behaviors programmed in their brains. Even if you don't give them a treat after they display their "sad whining", their programmed behavior is still going to be displayed.... it's already wired in their brain. "I will act sad, I will get a reward". "I will act like I'm crying, I will get a reward"

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Raiden256

[*]Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?
[*]Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs get made and start kicking their feet when my wife sits at her desk and works? (hell, even I can't explain that one?)
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs absolutely lose their mind with excitement when I ask them if they want to go for a walk?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

All those behaviors can be explained by my reasoning. They gradually became part of a dog's normal behavior after so many generations of selective breeding. Pet's owners reinforce those behaviors by consciously or subconsciously supplying basic needs (food, water) to their pets after they display such behaviors. Positive reinforcement. Now all dogs have such behaviors programmed in their brains. Even if you don't give them a treat after they display their "sad whining", their programmed behavior is still going to be displayed.... it's already wired in their brain. "I will act sad, I will get a reward". "I will act like I'm crying, I will get a reward"

Who bred "human" behaviors into wild animals, including wolves, which are the same species as domestic dogs?

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Raiden256
First: If you're supposed to be some kind of serious poster, then WTF is your deal about spelling HUMAN without the "H"? Is this some stance you're taking or just willful ignorance? Inquiring minds, and the rest of ATOT, want to know.

Second: Excepting as it relates to the endocrine system and the associated effect on aggression / docility / etc, you can't breed behavior --- only characteristics. We've had our 10yo dogs since they were a couple weeks old, and lemme tell you, they're every bit as emotional as our 2 and 5yo kids.

Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?

Because it's the 4th of July and it's very umid outside.

Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?

Because it feels umiliated.

Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?

It wasn't ungry.

Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

It wanted her to be around in case she needed to use the eimlich maneuver.

YOU GET REPS
Best replies to a post inside of a topic ever.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.

when someone is going to beat you up and you piss yourself, thats not actually an emotion, you aren't actually scared. You act as if you have emotions, but deep inside, its just the way you're programed.

 

[miketheidiot]

Also, social pack animals like dogs, dolphins, apes, elephants and others have been shown not only to have emotions, but to be self aware and even show empathy.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
It annoys me to see that people think that pets posses the ability to have uman emotions like sadness, guilt, remorse, and even happiness.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-bZMDEgdQ
You see that dog and automatically think it feels "sad".

The truth is that pets display that kind of behavior because it convinces their dumb uman owner to give them a treat or something. They don't feel sad. They just act like that because they have been selectively bred to display something that looks like a uman emotion.

Sorry, but you sound like a complete idiot. The "uman" thing isn't clever, and your "theory" is just point-blank wrong. Humans do attend to assign many characteristics of themselves to other things, but animals' emotions is not one of them.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: queenrobot

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
never had pets before huh?

I have a cat. It displays no emotions whatsoever.

Cats don't show emotions like dogs do. I have seen a dog become sad. I have never seen a fish show any emotions, though. Those cold, wet bastards feel nothing!

Salt water puffer fish.

The salt water kinds that blow up to a ballon.

They do get excited to see you because they know there gonna get fed, and under some occations people could actually train them so they would do flips for treats.

My friend had one and it was the funniest thing in the world.


Oh goldfish is another one.



But dogs have emotions. I know when my dog is happy and pissed, and annoyed. Infact when he's was pissed, he will tear everything in sight. Lucky for me he's 12 now and is too lazy to tear stuff up. Instead he gazes, and then goes back to sleep.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
It annoys me to see that people think that pets posses the ability to have uman emotions like sadness, guilt, remorse, and even happiness.

It annoys me to see posters that think they possess the ability to post well, to successfully engage our human emotions like sadness, guilt, remorse, and even happiness,

You, sir, manage only annoyance. It's an extremely minor emotion.

No wonder you can't see the emotions animals exhibit daily, those emotions the rest of us can see.

You're emotionally tone deaf.

Aspergers?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
never had pets before huh?

I have a cat. It displays no emotions whatsoever.

That's because you, yourself display no emotions towards your cat.

Cats are way more subtle than your average dog, but anyone who says flat out that cats have no emotions literally doesn't know what he's talking about.

You, sir, are emotionally constricted.

Again, Aspergers? Do you have Aspergers?

 

[insect9]

Could you link me to something stating that emotions like happy, sad, scared, etc. were bred into domesticated animals? They aren't robots. They're living beings. Just because we can't converse with them doesn't mean they don't have individual personalities and emotions...

 

[Howard]

What the fuck is an uman?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Raiden256

[*]Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?
[*]Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs get made and start kicking their feet when my wife sits at her desk and works? (hell, even I can't explain that one?)
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs absolutely lose their mind with excitement when I ask them if they want to go for a walk?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

All those behaviors can be explained by my reasoning. They gradually became part of a dog's normal behavior after so many generations of selective breeding. Pet's owners reinforce those behaviors by consciously or subconsciously supplying basic needs (food, water) to their pets after they display such behaviors. Positive reinforcement. Now all dogs have such behaviors programmed in their brains. Even if you don't give them a treat after they display their "sad whining", their programmed behavior is still going to be displayed.... it's already wired in their brain. "I will act sad, I will get a reward". "I will act like I'm crying, I will get a reward"

Who bred "human" behaviors into wild animals, including wolves, which are the same species as domestic dogs?

high levels of reasoning/planning/communication is what humans are superior at. emotion isn't a high level function at all. people didn't evolve emotion making them different from other animals. we evolved higher reasoning.

 

[Number1]

Watch this and tell me if animals don't have emotions: Pet Lion reunion

 

[waffleironhead]

Wow just Wow.

Is this an e=mc2 reincarnation?

 

[Whisper]

Do pets experience emotions? Short answer, yes. Long answer, no; at least not like humans.

 

[clamum]

UMAN

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: Number1
Watch this and tell me if animals don't have emotions: Pet Lion reunion

That's pretty cool. They're lucky the lion didn't knock them over.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: Number1
Watch this and tell me if animals don't have emotions: Pet Lion reunion

That was pretty awesome.

 

[Arcadio]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Arcadio
It annoys me to see that people think that pets posses the ability to have uman emotions like sadness, guilt, remorse, and even happiness.

It annoys me to see posters that think they possess the ability to post well, to successfully engage our human emotions like sadness, guilt, remorse, and even happiness,

You, sir, manage only annoyance. It's an extremely minor emotion.

No wonder you can't see the emotions animals exhibit daily, those emotions the rest of us can see.

You're emotionally tone deaf.

Aspergers?

I'm sorry, but I don't see the annoyance part of my thread. I don't suffer from Aspergers. I do feel emotions. I just don't believe that a non-uman animal can feel emotions.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: Number1
Watch this and tell me if animals don't have emotions: Pet Lion reunion

That's pretty cool. They're lucky the lion didn't knock them over.

No luck involved. Watch closely. That Lion knew exactly what he was doing. Watch him go wide with his front legs so he wouldn't possibly harm them with his claws as he lept towards them. Emotional intelligence, much?

 

[Raiden256]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Raiden256

[*]Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?
[*]Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs get made and start kicking their feet when my wife sits at her desk and works? (hell, even I can't explain that one?)
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs absolutely lose their mind with excitement when I ask them if they want to go for a walk?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

All those behaviors can be explained by my reasoning. They gradually became part of a dog's normal behavior after so many generations of selective breeding. Pet's owners reinforce those behaviors by consciously or subconsciously supplying basic needs (food, water) to their pets after they display such behaviors. Positive reinforcement. Now all dogs have such behaviors programmed in their brains. Even if you don't give them a treat after they display their "sad whining", their programmed behavior is still going to be displayed.... it's already wired in their brain. "I will act sad, I will get a reward". "I will act like I'm crying, I will get a reward"

First, you fail for not answering #1, even after a reminder.

Second, you fail at understanding Biology, Psychology, Genetics, Evolution, and pets. As a corollary, you fail for ignoring the first sentence of my #2 point. You conveniently did not include this in your quote; I suggest you go back and read it.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
never had pets before huh?

I have a cat. It displays no emotions whatsoever.

If you take psychology, you'll learn that the dog brain is the lowest form to have emotion. That's what the text book said anyway. ;shrug:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.

That analogy is not sound. No one programmed a cat to emulate human behavior. You're equating a human designing a machine to simulate human emotional response with just the way animals are by birth. Unless I guess you're saying that you believe some Creator just intended these emotionless things to ACT like they had emotions so they could better serve as pets for humans? ...

Umans have shaped the behavior and physical characteristics of pets to fit a friendly uman-like standard for thousands of years. Dogs and cats did not display these emotion-like behaviors originally. It's all selective breeding. People select and breed the animals that display an attractive characteristic. If by some weird mutation a dog started making a sound similar to uman laughter, that dog would immediately be selected for breeding, just for that reason, even though the laughing sound has nothing to do with happiness. We created those "pet emotions". It's all an external behavior that pleases us pet owners.

WTF is an uman? Are you so stupid that you can't even spell human properly?