Why do people say ATi cards run hot? Check this out.

[5150Joker]

Some guy over at the HardOCP forums made a thread asking about applying AS5 to his 6800 GT because it gets so hot. He posted pics of the melted retention bracket that is used on the 6800 GT: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1012667

 

[tuteja1986]

lol :! Yummy core take a soldering iron and play arround with the $100+ Core

 

[Xed]

Well, with the same cooler my 7800gtx runs at 51c load and my x1900xtx runs at 70c =P

Not scorching hot but still quite a jump

 

[Gstanfor]

Congratulations, you've found the exception that proves the rule!

Who knows what the guy did to the card (pick it up by the heatsink etc) to cause it to run hot, or maybe he got unlucky and purchased a (very rare) card with faulty cooling.

My search a few forums and see how msny more nVidia owners you can fin in the same boat. While you are at it search for people experiencing problems with ATi (9800/9700 series especially).

Tally the results up, and I think you'll find you have the answer to your title question...

 

[anandtechrocks]

My 6600 GT loaded @ 94C at times... (stock HS, no OC)

After I installed a Thermalright V1 the load temps dropped to 60C with a 600/1230 OC.

My X800 GTO OC'd runs @ 60C load too. (Zalman VF700)

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Congratulations, you've found the exception that proves the rule!

Who knows what the guy did to the card (pick it up by the heatsink etc) to cause it to run hot, or maybe he got unlucky and purchased a (very rare) card with faulty cooling.

My search a few forums and see how msny more nVidia owners you can fin in the same boat. While you are at it search for people experiencing problems with ATi (9800/9700 series especially).

Tally the results up, and I think you'll find you have the answer to your title question...

Go read the thread. He says he has a well ventilated case and the cooling was stock. 6800 GTs always ran in the 70s range. Mine did too when I had one and my 6800 Go Ultra (granted its a laptop) runs at a scorching 90 C.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Debating about graphics card temps is pretty stupid, considering all the variations in climate, cooling fans, their placement, air flow obstructions, dust, hardware loads, need I go on? If you want to start a flame war at least bring some content to the table.

 

[Ronin]

So, here's the question.

Has ANYONE else heard of this ever happening with a 6800 (or an x800 for that matter)?

Dude's fan went out, plain and simple (whether he admits to it or not). That's the only way I can think of that happening, and the only thing that saved the card from frying all out was the plausible fact that he had a well ventilated case.

FFS, my 512's run at 38/40 idle and 50/52 under load. Really, now... lol

 

[SynthDude2001]

lol...

If anything, I'm surprised that didn't happen with MY card...I don't know what happened, but over recent months my 6800GT (@Ultra) temps had gotten AWFUL...I saw up to 104°C load...finally got around to taking off the fan/heatsink earlier this week and applying some AS5...load temps dropped by a good 15C (which means it still runs hot, but it's a LOT better and I don't get artifacts or crashes anymore).

 

[Avalon]

This is clearly an exception. I'd actually blame PNY before anyone else. Their quality control is sporadic at best.

 

[Auric]

Gee, even if an NVIDIA card did run hot it would not exclude an ATI card from also running hot. Either way, I have not heard any complaints. And who in their right mind cares about temps as long as they are within design spec? The real concern is whether cooling is requir'd which can only be practically satisfied with a noisy solution.

 

[Keysplayr]

You know, it is possible to look at the temperature rating of the paint used to coat that bracket. It's part of any big companies QC parameters. Everything is documented. We could very well find out at what temperature that paint needs to be to krinkle like that. My guess is that it is a damn sight higher than 80C. More like 125C. Dude is not telling the whole story probably from embarrassment. Like other folks have said in here, this is an isolated incident and would be extremely hard pressed to find another. Now do a search for "9800 fan melted off".

 

[Genx87]

PNY

nuff said

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Genx87
PNY

nuff said

PNY are reference cards. nothing more, nothing less. They stick to Nvidia's reference model like glue, so there is nothing that is inferior about them. Clearly this card had a improperly seated heatsink (did not make good contact), or a defective fan.

EDIT: PNY's tech support however, is another story. Terrible. They used to be great. But no longer.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Congratulations, you've found the exception that proves the rule!

Who knows what the guy did to the card (pick it up by the heatsink etc) to cause it to run hot, or maybe he got unlucky and purchased a (very rare) card with faulty cooling.

My search a few forums and see how msny more nVidia owners you can fin in the same boat. While you are at it search for people experiencing problems with ATi (9800/9700 series especially).

Tally the results up, and I think you'll find you have the answer to your title question...

Go read the thread. He says he has a well ventilated case and the cooling was stock. 6800 GTs always ran in the 70s range. Mine did too when I had one and my 6800 Go Ultra (granted its a laptop) runs at a scorching 90 C.

What have the points you raised got to do with what I posted? I agree with ronin that his case ventilation probably saved him.

Now the possibilities here are:

Faulty fan - almost unheard of on mid range/high end nVidia cards unless you buy a totally crap brand, and even then its rare.

Heatsink not contacting GPU correctly - once again, out of the factory this is almost unheard of for the sort of card he has.

Once again I suggest he has somehow mishandled the card (lifted it by the heatsink, twisted the heatsink or something similar) for this to occur.

By way of reference, my own card - a leadtek 6800GT idles at 42 degrees Celcius, runs at full load 55 degrees celcius, and on extremely hot australian summer days *may*reach a mamimum of 61 degrees celcius.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Congratulations, you've found the exception that proves the rule!

Who knows what the guy did to the card (pick it up by the heatsink etc) to cause it to run hot, or maybe he got unlucky and purchased a (very rare) card with faulty cooling.

My search a few forums and see how msny more nVidia owners you can fin in the same boat. While you are at it search for people experiencing problems with ATi (9800/9700 series especially).

Tally the results up, and I think you'll find you have the answer to your title question...

Go read the thread. He says he has a well ventilated case and the cooling was stock. 6800 GTs always ran in the 70s range. Mine did too when I had one and my 6800 Go Ultra (granted its a laptop) runs at a scorching 90 C.

What have the points you raised got to do with what I posted? I agree with ronin that his case ventilation probably saved him.

Now the possibilities here are:

Faulty fan - almost unheard of on mid range/high end nVidia cards unless you buy a totally crap brand, and even then its rare.

Heatsink not contacting GPU correctly - once again, out of the factory this is almost unheard of for the sort of card he has.

Once again I suggest he has somehow mishandled the card (lifted it by the heatsink, twisted the heatsink or something similar) for this to occur.

By way of reference, my own card - a leadtek 6800GT idles at 42 degrees Celcius, runs at full load 55 degrees celcius, and on extremely hot australian summer days *may*reach a mamimum of 61 degrees celcius.

See the difference is that you guys are suggesting he is neglecting to tell the whole story. Do you know him personally? Why would he choose to lie about something like this? It's not like he has something to gain from it. Others in this thread have even posted that their Geforce 6 cards run hot, are they lying or mishandling their cards too? If he had mishandled the card or its fan was faulty he would have mentioned it. The fact is that he said everything was stock and the case well ventilated and the bracket still melted.
Could the card's HSF not been making full contact? It's possible but he didn't mention anything of the sort.

 

[Gstanfor]

Fist of all, anandtechrocks was talking about a 6600GT. High temperatures are quite normal (and nothing to get too concerned over) for these midrange cards. The thermal threshold is like 120 degrees centigrade.

As for 6800GT's which is what you based this thread on, history shows over a period of years that the behaviour you describe is not typical, and the card has to have been abused (by user or courier) or been badly manufactured (once again not typical, even for the crappier manufacturers).

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
See the difference is that you guys are suggesting he is neglecting to tell the whole story. Do you know him personally? Why would he choose to lie about something like this? It's not like he has something to gain from it. Others in this thread have even posted that their Geforce 6 cards run hot, are they lying or mishandling their cards too? If he had mishandled the card or its fan was faulty he would have mentioned it. The fact is that he said everything was stock and the case well ventilated and the bracket still melted.
Could the card's HSF not been making full contact? It's possible but he didn't mention anything of the sort.

The cards have been out for almost 2 years, and there have been NO reports of this. It would stand to reason, via good old common sense, that the user likely had a hand in this.

You know damn well that if this had happened previously, SOMEONE would have posted about it. Stop defending the guy. He screwed up his card, and he's not taking responsibility for it. End of story.

 

[mindless1]

Re: PNY reference cards, it doesn't matter, the specific heatsink and mounting is what matters.

re: Guy claiming "though case cooling adequate", well who DOESN'T think their overheating case of parts is A-OK till it actually bites them in the A$$?

Re: OP trying to start a flamewar by spewing BS about one video card company when it's established fact what each card uses energy-wise (and thus heat, it's all heat in the end), SHAME ON YOU!