People will probably have misinferred what I meant when I said "attention whoring" - but this is precisely what I was talking about. Anyone else here married with a wife that likes that to talk? I have an extrovert for a wife - I think many married males here can usually relate to this in that plenty of times your wife just wants to go home and vent about her day to you.
One of the things I noticed is when I traveled more for work - or I just started getting out of tune when she had a story to tell that wasn't interesting to me... It would really upset her. Why is that? Why is the approval of other people such a breaking point for some people? To tie this back with the quote above - the wife doesn't want me to give advice on how I would handle a situation or conflict either. She just wants me to listen and "feel the pain" so-to-speak... and mostly nod my head and agree that whatever she is thinking is the correct action.
I'm undoubtedly a full blown introvert. I have zero fucks to give in life if someone doesn't want to listen to me - mostly because I don't want to tell them a story to begin with. So it's obvious that this isn't something I can necessarily relate to. But as I said, your article seems to match with what I was talking about.
Why does it matter? What causes someone to leave a job, wife, home, country, buy a new car, shave their head, give all their money to the dog? Why do we care. It is their life and they can and should be able to live it, or not, the way they see fit. Just as those who support abortion fight for the woman to do with her body as she will if she chooses to remove the life from her, so should she and he be able to end their own. If you think you are due a reason or explanation for their decision, your worth is overstated in your mind. It is their decision and theirs alone, if they wanted to tell you they would have. NOT directed at the OP just my general thought on the matter.
My point is why do you care? Do you concern yourself when someone changes jobs or leaves their wife? A person's life is exactly that, their life, others should not have an opinion on a person's decision to end it. So what if it's money or guilt or embarrassment. IF a person has decided that the best way for the is to end it, what gives another a right to interfere with that decision, to force a person to continue to suffer under whatever it was that brought them to that point.It is kind of sad when someone who has an mental illness could have been helped.
Especially if they would never have made that choice without the mental illness.
Some people do not want to die. They just want the despair and the suffering to end.
There are some cases where people commit suicide because of shame or guilt or money problems.
Or get a disease that will result in agonizing death.
And often the only solution seems a quick death. If there was another solution where they could live and be free and their feelings of joy could be invigorated. I am sure many would have chosen it.
My point is why do you care? Do you concern yourself when someone changes jobs or leaves their wife? A person's life is exactly that, their life, others should not have an opinion on a person's decision to end it. So what if it's money or guilt or embarrassment. IF a person has decided that the best way for the is to end it, what gives another a right to interfere with that decision, to force a person to continue to suffer under whatever it was that brought them to that point.
If a perfectly sane person is tired of this life and wants to move on to the next, you would deny them that? Do you believe in a woman's right to choice?It seems you clearly do not get the point.
I am saying that the decision for some of those people could have been averted if they would have known they have other options. I think in that case people should be informed first that there is another way that does not result in immediate death.
If someone is for example 85 years old in pain and cannot be helped besides giving constant morphine. Or that that person has dementia and has a clear moment and request euthanasia.
Well, then it is another story. But it remains a slippery slope. Because when you have loving family, they too should agree. Or it becomes a lawsuit of doctor against relatives of the deceased through euthanasia. And that is something that happens often.
Also, it is no fun for the relatives(like a grandchild) or a friend to find their loved one hanging from a rope on the sealing or in the bathtub drowned.
Or how about some middle aged man goes to work. Steps on the train to operate the train. Only to be confronted by some person that jumps in front of his train and splatters into pieces. There are a lot of people who see such events and it is very much different from a movie scene. These operators have to live with that image. And that is selfish from someone who did commit suicide that way.
I also think of the aftermath.
If people want to disappear and jump into a volcano. Maybe then that is much better.
But only as last resort when there are no alternatives.
If a perfectly sane person is tired of this life and wants to move on to the next, you would deny them that? Do you believe in a woman's right to choice?
I said person, not man.A fail to see the comparison between women having a choice and a sane man making an insane choice.
I said person, not man.
Woman or man, it makes no difference.
It is a serious matter and should not be taken lightly.
So your OK with a person deciding to end another's life but not that person ending thiers? Odd.
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Back in 1973 or so I shared a 3 bedroom apartment and there was a conversation. I explained that I thought I (or anyone, don't remember) had the right to commit suicide. My roommate's friend said something that stuck with me. It was enlightening. She basically made light of my remark very effectively and it made me see that my attitude was comically self indulgent. She didn't contradict my assertion, she just affirmed it, intentionally making it seem just plain funny.My point is why do you care? Do you concern yourself when someone changes jobs or leaves their wife? A person's life is exactly that, their life, others should not have an opinion on a person's decision to end it. So what if it's money or guilt or embarrassment. IF a person has decided that the best way for the is to end it, what gives another a right to interfere with that decision, to force a person to continue to suffer under whatever it was that brought them to that point.
There's several problems with your argument.Why does it matter? What causes someone to leave a job, wife, home, country, buy a new car, shave their head, give all their money to the dog? Why do we care. It is their life and they can and should be able to live it, or not, the way they see fit. Just as those who support abortion fight for the woman to do with her body as she will if she chooses to remove the life from her, so should she and he be able to end their own. If you think you are due a reason or explanation for their decision, your worth is overstated in your mind. It is their decision and theirs alone, if they wanted to tell you they would have. NOT directed at the OP just my general thought on the matter.
I am pretty sure the unborn child have zero part in that conversation to end its life. When I said end another's life I was talking about abortion, not a terminally ill person. There are just as many options to a mother to be as there are to the person contemplating ending it all.No, it is then a mutual decision. There is a difference between seeing someone going through hell without any solutions and helping that person with euthanasia (Ending through compassion) and seeing someone going through hell while there are solutions and letting that person commit suicide and having to see it all happen and you do nothing about it.
With what you write, i can understand that some people find the act of committing suicide selfish.
I can understand why some think faith in God will ward off suicide.
Because a big part of faith is to have love for one and other and of course for God.
And that is the thing here i am also trying to write.
And as i mentioned above, there are many reasons why people commit suicide.
It is not black and white.
NO, NO, NO! For your argument to hold any water you first have to unilaterally consider suicide the result of a mental disease or defect. Could it be that those that attempted either found out that it was much harder to do than originally thought and it would be easier to fix the thing that put them into that mindset in the first place, or the the attempt was a cry for help and they were not actually wanting to die, just a cry for help if you will. A person's decision to continue or to end their life is theirs and noone elses. You can associate suicide and those that attempt it with dementia if it makes you feel better, but suicide does not equal diminished capacity.There's several problems with your argument.
First, you're assuming that everyone who commits suicide is behaving rationally. You wanna debate euthanasia for the terminally ill or for those whose quality of life has gone down the drain? Sure, but that's a different topic, with standards for when to allow it and when to disallow because the vast majority of the time, it isn't a rational decision. As an example, seven out of ten people who survive a suicide attempt will never try it again, and only 7% of suicide survivors will actually take their own lives. That suggests those that attempt it will, the vast majority of the time, rethink their decision. And that's not even touching on any correlation between depression and suicide.
Second, you're forgetting we're a social species. We help each other, sometimes by butting into other people's affairs for their own good. If you noticed something wrong with an elderly neighbor like dementia or an untreated injury, would you mind your own business or get help for them? It's the exact same with suicide.
Care to share? I actually had a similar experience but with the exact opposite effect. I was one who believed that suicide was a selfish thing to do. Until I actually talked with people who either went on to attempt or commit to taking their own life.Back in 1973 or so I shared a 3 bedroom apartment and there was a conversation. I explained that I thought I (or anyone, don't remember) had the right to commit suicide. My roommate's friend said something that stuck with me. It was enlightening. She basically made light of my remark very effectively and it made me see that my attitude was comically self indulgent. She didn't contradict my assertion, she just affirmed it, intentionally making it seem just plain funny.
NO, NO, NO! For your argument to hold any water you first have to unilaterally consider suicide the result of a mental disease or defect. Could it be that those that attempted either found out that it was much harder to do than originally thought and it would be easier to fix the thing that put them into that mindset in the first place, or the the attempt was a cry for help and they were not actually wanting to die, just a cry for help if you will. A person's decision to continue or to end their life is theirs and noone elses. You can associate suicide and those that attempt it with dementia if it makes you feel better, but suicide does not equal diminished capacity.