why do so many people seem to hate/dislike California

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zener

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I grew up in the Midwest. I have lived several other places in the US. I have many international friends. I think the reason I enjoy California so much despite its many problems due to population, is the diversity of people who came here for so many reasons. Since living in the Midwest what I noticed was the backstabbing and superficiality that exists there. If you want to express an opinion, it had better be similiar to the thinking of the region. My father, even tho I respect him, is a good example of dogmatic, religious shallowness. His thinking is extremely limited even tho he is quite intelligent. In the movie, South Pacific, there is a song that talks about getting things drummed into our heads and that is basically true. I believe that if one looks at the election returns and the states that Bush and Kerry won, one could get the idea that the midwest is Bush country and the open minded states voted for Kerry. Frankly, I voted for neither because I am not hearing what really needs to happen in the US but living in the midwest was like being from a Thomas Hardy book, I was dying on the heath becasue I knew the world was something other than what I was living and since I moved to California, I feel as if I have come home.
 

Brutuskend

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I LOVE California.

It's Californians I can do with out.

If everyone down there left, I would GLADLY move back there!
 

Originally posted by: HamSupLo
If California was its own country, we would be like the 7th largest economy in the world? And yes, we have the agricultural means to sustain ourselves, thank you very much.
Point being?
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: zener
I believe that if one looks at the election returns and the states that Bush and Kerry won, one could get the idea that the midwest is Bush country and the open minded states voted for Kerry.

It is that "cultural elitism" that so many people are fed up with, which kept Bush in office. I'm not saying that about you, but that comment is a reflection of how the liberal party thinks. Some of the most "open-minded people" I have met are the most close minded. If you don't believe in global warming, then you're closed minded. If you don't believe that God is a figment of imagination, then you're closed minded. If you think that it isn't best for children to be raised by child care, then you're close minded. It has nothing to do with open-minded and close-minded. It has to do with what you believe in, what you stand for, what your principles are. And those are polarized between both parties. A democrat refuses to consider that aborting a fetus equates to killing a baby - to us that is close minded. It's just a matter of perspective.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: HamSupLo
If California was its own country, we would be like the 7th largest economy in the world? And yes, we have the agricultural means to sustain ourselves, thank you very much.

That's pretty impressive. How are those brown outs / black outs these days?
 

BudAshes

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Ok, let's negotiate for all that water you will need to do it. :evil:[/quote]

Thats why we get washington oregon and bc too. They got lots of water to spread around.

WEST COAST IS THE BEST COAST

 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Xafgoat

Ok, let's negotiate for all that water you will need to do it. :evil:[/quote]

Thats why we get washington oregon and bc too. They got lots of water to spread around.

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Somehow, I think Canada might have something to say about that.

IIRC, the Columbia river has some serious pollution issues.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: HamSupLo
If California was its own country, we would be like the 7th largest economy in the world? And yes, we have the agricultural means to sustain ourselves, thank you very much.

That's pretty impressive. How are those brown outs / black outs these days?
I don't think they've had any for the last 2 years. Even when I lived therer during the hieght of the problem I only recall 2 or 3 brownouts during that summer and they lasted about 30 minutes each. I'm sure nowhere as disruptive that Major Blackout the East Coasters dealt with that same year.
 

HamSupLo

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: HamSupLo
If California was its own country, we would be like the 7th largest economy in the world? And yes, we have the agricultural means to sustain ourselves, thank you very much.
Point being?

we should leave the Union as quickly as possible
 

SP33Demon

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As much as I hate emission inspections, I respect Cali for taking the initiative to spearhead cleaner emissions. They also give discounts to hybrids, IIRC :beer:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As much as I hate emission inspections, I respect Cali for taking the initiative to spearhead cleaner emissions. They also give discounts to hybrids, IIRC :beer:
Well if you ever have been to LA you'd understand why!

While I think CA is the best state, like all states there are things that suck and traffic in the Major Population areas is one of them.
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Gulzakar
re-think this.

A lot of techology in everday use was bred from the military, not California.

And where does the military develop this technology? Get a clue. A large chunk of military R&D is done in CA.

It is done in labs all over the nation, including ones in CA.

The major military contractors also have facilities all over the country.

Not denying what you are saying, but a lot of these contractors do majority of R&D in CA, and manufacturing in other states. It's just convenient to have R&D in CA. Plenty of tech companies and great engineering colleges to supply the best engineers in the country. It's hard to ask for a better environment.

Made in New Mexico.

Managed by Californians (or more specifically the University of California). You lose!
 

Brutuskend

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I will say this however.

Our utility's used to be dirt cheap here in Oregon, then we started selling our "excess power" to California.

Now our electricity costs are just as high as most other places in the country.
 

TitanDiddly

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Today, I mentioned to my mom that I thought we should give California back to Mexico, and she didn't balk as much as I thought she would.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Today, I mentioned to my mom that I thought we should give California back to Mexico, and she didn't balk as much as I thought she would.

You wouldn't like California, there are no basements there for you to reside in.
 

faZZter

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Originally posted by: Kyteland
The experiance of most people in western states with regards to California is that the Californians sell their multimillion dollar, 2000 sq ft single family home in Cali when they retire and the move to another state and overpay for a huge mansion in the country thuis driving up everyone elses property taxes. Combine that with some of the other messed up stuff that occasionally comes out of that state and they get a bad image.

That's exactly what I am going to do.....although our house isn't worth near that much!

But I think I will do it before I retire.....



"That's pretty impressive. How are those brown outs / black outs these days? "

Ummmm, haven't had one in a LONG time!
 

Zenmervolt

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Personally, I have nothing against the people who inhabit California. The state in general, however, has some glaring flaws:

Taxes: If I wanted to be taxed into oblivion, I'd move to Canada.
CARB: As far as emissions testing goes, they can shove it up their tailpipe.
Cost of living: It's easily twice as expensive to live in Cali as it is to live in the Midwest, and to my eye, the Midwest is every bit as beautiful as Cali.
Snow: No snow in the lower areas = t3h suck.
Overcrowded: There are just too many bloody people.

On the positive side, the wine is exceptional and I'm rather fond of how cars don't rust out here.

ZV
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Today, I mentioned to my mom that I thought we should give California back to Mexico, and she didn't balk as much as I thought she would.

Then all of the Californians would illegally immigrate east. We should just buy Mexico and break it up into a few states.
 

IGBT

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...it's good kalifonia attracts so many idiots and morons..cleans up the rest of the country..so don't complain.
 

her209

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Would you say its fair to say that Californians get less per capita in terms of what the taxes paid to the federal government than it gets back?
 
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