Why do the Democrats want everyone on welfare?

[Anarchist420]

It's really infuriating because only the brightest people will be able to say they aren't net tax consumers. People will be able to work their asses off then they'll still be net tax consumers and they won't enjoy life because the quality of it will be so much lower.

If you work, chances are you're benefiting from the Federal govt and if you don't work your relatives or friends aren't taking care of you because the US govt will artificially (and forcefully) boost the quality (and length) of your life.

Surely the Democrats realize that this isn't sustainable. I think they plan to trap the commoners (which would include me) and go Joseph Stalin on them... it is most unfortunate that there is nothing I can do about it. If I get a job, then I'll be accepting stolen money because every fucking business gets a god damn govt contract and even if I work for a non-subsidized business... I'll still have to accept stolen money because I'm not smart enough to be outside the scope of Obamacare.

If I don't get a job, then I'll be accepting stolen money once my parents' savings are inflated away.

Dr. Paul was the last good chance America had. Unfortunately, the Restoration of America was rejected and the Destruction of America was accepted.

 

[Theb]

We're just bad people.

 

[monovillage]

It's the modern and acceptable form of slavery.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

It's the modern and acceptable form of slavery.

Ok you can pick this time.

Do you want :

a) hyperbole award of the day

OR

b) non-sequitur of the day

 

[fskimospy]

Welfare case wonders why people are on welfare.

Awesome.

 

[Anarchist420]

Welfare case wonders why people are on welfare. Awesome.

what do you mean?

 

[jackstar7]

Whether you agree with it or not, you've been benefiting from the vast infrastructure as well as the protection provided by the military your whole life. You were born into this "slavery" and odds are that it will survive well beyond you.

 

[Incorruptible]

The democrats and their pos supporters want everyone on welfare so they are dependent on them and vote for them.

Look what they have done to many black people, make them dependent on democrats so they can get votes

 

[jackstar7]

The democrats and their pos supporters want everyone on welfare so they are dependent on them and vote for them.

Look what they have done to many black people, make them dependent on democrats so they can get votes

I don't understand. You depend on the government, but you act like you don't vote Democrat. What makes you special?

 

[Incorruptible]

I don't understand. You depend on the government, but you act like you don't vote Democrat. What makes you special?

The government has to perform specific duties and be small but I dont want it involved in every aspect of my life and to steal from me

 

[jackstar7]

The government has to perform specific duties and be small but I dont want it involved in every aspect of my life and to steal from me

I don't understand. Why don't you vote Democrat? You rely on the government just like everyone else in this country AND you voluntarily pay taxes to support it.

 

[Incorruptible]

I don't understand. Why don't you vote Democrat? You rely on the government just like everyone else in this country AND you voluntarily pay taxes to support it.

The government needs to do certain things so everyone relies on it in some way. I dont voluntarily pay taxes, I am forced to pay taxes or else I can go to jail.

I dont vote democrat because they want bigger government and are corrupt like the republicans. If the democrats were to obey the Constitution or have someone like Ron Paul or Grover Cleveland I would vote for them 100%

 

[monovillage]

what do you mean?

He's one of the new overseers on the Big Government plantation.

 

[tydas]

the Restoration of America was rejected and the Destruction of America was accepted.

are you writing a screen play or is that an actual comment?

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm a democrat and I would prefer no one on welfare.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Welfare is a simple need for those less fortune for whatever reason that might be. Nobody wants people on welfare. Just as nobody want unemployed people, natural disasters, diseases and other similar things. But that doesnt mean its not a part of life and something that needs to be dealt with.

 

[jackstar7]

The government needs to do certain things so everyone relies on it in some way. I dont voluntarily pay taxes, I am forced to pay taxes or else I can go to jail.

I dont vote democrat because they want bigger government and are corrupt like the republicans. If the democrats were to obey the Constitution or have someone like Ron Paul or Grover Cleveland I would vote for them 100%

What is it about GC you like? Aside from him being dead, I mean.

You think you'll go to jail if you (specifically) don't pay taxes? I find that unlikely.

 

[Thump553]

What surprises me most about this troll thread is the number of tea baggers that apparently accept OP's flaky premise of the day as gospel truth.

<--- been a democrat most of my adult life (40+ years), never been on welfare or anything like it and have actively avoided/declined public sector benefits available to me.

 

[Lemon law]

As usual, Andrarchist420 comes up with the wrong question and the wrong answer to a relative simple problem.

As the main difference between the democratic party and the republican party has historically been, the republicans favor the interests of the rich of the democrats favor the interests of the working man.

And in in the interests of the rich who own and control the means of production to have high unemployment, so they can depress wages of job seekers. And thus produce cheaper goods for domestic and foreign buyers.

On the other hand the democrats champion the working man who wants low unemployment, higher wages, which in turn drives up prices for US goods produced for domestic and foreign consumption.

In short, two self competing ideals, between capitalism and labor that cannot resolved by anything other than any force or simply minded idea. EXCEPT THE ONE AND ONLY IRON RULE OF ECONOMICS. WHICH SIMPLY STATES NO ECONOMY CAN DISTRIBUTE WHAT ITS DOES NOT PRODUCE.

Which thus says times are best when everyone is working at least a living wage, so the size of the pie to be distributed is as large as possible. And American families and their children can advance in educational skill level and command higher wages. Even if the profits of the rich capitalists suffer somewhat, the rich capitalists better benefits from the rising tide that lifts all boats.

But now we have the exact opposite, due to short term political thinking and capitalist greed. As capitalists have accumulated too high of a percentage of our nations wealth and suffer the worst for it. Because a falling tide drops all boats. Simply because the one engine that has kept the US economy going, namely domestic consumer spending, is not only stopped, its in full reverse. As the average wage drops and unemployment rises, no domestic consumer market can afford to buy the goods rich capitalists produce
even a lower net prices. And as American manufacturers lay off more workers to compensate it can only reduce the size of the total size of the pie to be distributed to all our population. But the real hurt also falls on the wanna be Joe the Plumber who wants to open a small business to serve the American consumer. And finds instead too few American consumers too few American consumers can afford their serves. So they hire unemployed neighbors who know a little about plumbing for peanuts instead.

But at times like these we can always find people like Anrachist420 to echo the favorite capitalist myth, namely the Hortio Alger myth. That anyone who works very hard can start with nothing, and shortly become very rich. And its associated bullshit, if someone can't get a job they are lazy. Or even worse, if one single person games the system to obtain their welfare Cadillac, the country will instantly go down the toilet. Oh the horrors, my outrage is supposed to make me vote GOP.

When most of those going on welfare are American workers, who had jobs for 20 years or longer, often white color, who got "downsized" in a shrinking US economy, and still can't find a job after honest job seeking efforts for many years.

What we maybe need is some way to place American workers and their families in suspended animation, so they require no food, no housing, no expensive heating, no cars and no gasoline to go to job interviews, so we can avoid placing them on expensive welfare. Or the even better idea of simply letting them starve. Because its a better alternative than letting one person in a million get their welfare Cadillac.

But when a rich person like Bernie Madoof or Leonia Hemsley and so many others games the system, its all part of capitalism.

 

[exdeath]

Which thus says times are best when everyone is working at least a living wage, so the size of the pie to be distributed is as large as possible.

A living wage is not supporting 6 kids, and having an iPhone, a 65" plasma TV, a mortgage, and a BMW SUV while working at Walmart or McDonalds.

"I can't pay my bills on minimum wage waaaaaaaaa"

You're not supposed to be able to afford that stuff on minimum wage. It's supposed to buy you ramen noodles to barely survive while you live in an apartment with a roommate and keep your fucking pants on and work towards improving your situation. Stop buying bling bling and spend the money on some fucking classes and get a real job before you try to keep up with the Jones'. Then you won't have to finance that Mercedes C230 for 84 months like all your broke friends.

 

[IronWing]

what do you mean?

You are freeloading. You have sufficient mental stability to post crap all day and are therefore likely are at least minimally employable. Yet you refuse to get a job and instead spend your days surfing Wikipedia for obscure historical analogs to support your ridiculous rationalizations concerning why you shouldn't work. Your arguments are without merit and you wear no clothes.

 

[dmens]

Welfare = bribery for votes. Doesn't matter if it's from D or R.

Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken

 

[IronWing]

Welfare = bribery for votes. Doesn't matter if it's from D or R.

If this is true then it is a terrible strategy. Convincing poor people to vote at all, let alone vote their self interests is all but impossible.

Corporate welfare on the other hand has been an outstanding success in bringing in the bribes campaign donations.

 

[dmens]

If this is true then it is a terrible strategy. Convincing poor people to vote at all, let alone vote their self interests is all but impossible.

Corporate welfare on the other hand has been an outstanding success in bringing in the bribes campaign donations.

You mean the six decades long Democratic domination of CONgress from the 30's to the early 90's was not the result of FDR's wealth redistribution programs in return for D votes?

Money for votes, it's not that hard. Like you said, it works quite well with corporate welfare.

 

[Lemon law]

You mean the six decades long Democratic domination of CONgress from the 30's to the early 90's was not the result of FDR's wealth redistribution programs in return for D votes?

Money for votes, it's not that hard. Like you said, it works quite well with corporate welfare.

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Cheer up dmens, 1789 was a high point year for the French aristocracy. But it got worse and worse for the French people. Then in one fine day in 1789, a sick society had had enough, and soon the heads of the French aristocracy were rolling into baskets instead.

IN terms of the villainy heaped on FDR during the great depression, the judgement of history is that FDR was the man who saved American capitalism and democracy.

As Russia, China, and so many other countries went communist instead.