Question why do they keep bringing out new cards

[etrin]

Since we can't get cards now, they blame everything for it.
Now we get New cards being shown that we can't get almost every day.
WHY?

 

[NTMBK]

Because they're selling every single card that they can ship. Demand is through the roof.

 

[XenIneX]

The new cards are lower-specced, and use smaller chips. You can fit more small chips per silicon wafer, and get higher yields. Thus, for each 3090/3080 chip, they could make ~1.6x 3070/3060ti chips, or ~2.3x 3060 chips.

If there's a bottleneck in chip production, more SKUs actually can translate to more cards in the wild.

 

[Leeea]

Since we can't get cards now, they blame everything for it.
Now we get New cards being shown that we can't get almost every day.
WHY?

To torment us.

edit: (after smu pony pressed the like button)

These things are planned 18 months out. They had no idea what the demand would be like when they planned all this. So production separation, purchases, production lines, components, raw materials, and so on was rolling down the tracks last year. They do not have the ability to switch out their plans now, so they just execute what they planned.

Then some guy sits down and asks, so, demand 18 months from now? Crypto crash? Crypto boom? What do we do. If it crashes and we over produce we are looking at bankruptcy. If it booms and we under produce we are leaving money on the table.

Then they decide not to over commit, and shortages continue indefinitely.

 

[maddogmcgee]

The 1050ti coming back is scary. It seems to suggest that Nvidia thinks this mining boom is going to cause issues for graphics cards well into the future.

 

[NTMBK]

The 1050ti coming back is scary. It seems to suggest that Nvidia thinks this mining boom is going to cause issues for graphics cards well into the future.

Why does it suggest that? They could quickly put it back into production for minimal effort. Its an easy stopgap measure, not a long term change of plan.

 

[Humbledude]

Because they're selling every single card that they can ship. Demand is through the roof.

Sadly yes. consumer rights don't exist. low-quality product with crazy high prices. I doubt it ends anytime soon.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Sadly yes. consumer rights don't exist. low-quality product with crazy high prices. I doubt it ends anytime soon.

I don't know that I would call ANY GPU a "low-quality product". Maybe the "fake GeForce" cards from China. But most any GPU that I've ever owned/used, has been a fairly (expensive) quality product.

 

[jpiniero]

OEM deals, especially mobile.

 

[KompuKare]

Sadly yes. consumer rights don't exist. low-quality product with crazy high prices. I doubt it ends anytime soon.

To me, "consumer rights" mean things like warranty, some protection against misleading advertisement, and so on.
Not the right to be able to buy consumer electronics right now because I feel like I need it right away.
Mining has rightly come in for major criticism for being a waste of resources and energy.
Wanton consumption deserves the same criticism.
Some of the recent news stories about Texas power shortages and Taiwanese water shortages affecting semiconductors fabrication highlight how resource intensive electronics can be. And semiconductors are at the very top of the electronics industry but the sizes of the end product distracts is from how many raw materials and resources went into them.
Therefore, longer upgrade cycles and less quick consumption have an upside too.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

They want to make sure they have something for everyone to not be able to buy.

 

[Humbledude]

I don't know that I would call ANY GPU a "low-quality product". Maybe the "fake GeForce" cards from China. But most any GPU that I've ever owned/used, has been a fairly (expensive) quality product.

Kindly check this video. I mean compare with before the quality is lacking due to the pressure of production caused by demand.

 

[maddogmcgee]

The 1050ti coming back is scary. It seems to suggest that Nvidia thinks this mining boom is going to cause issues for graphics cards well into the future.

They have to put it back in production and then get it out to distributors which would take some time. I would imagine they are almost worthless after the bust, so I doubt they want to get stuff with large number of them when bit coin crashes.

 

[Leeea]

Kindly check this video. I mean compare with before the quality is lacking due to the pressure of production caused by demand.

That video is very troubling. What he is claiming is that since they cannot get the high spec parts, manufacturers swapping in the lower spec parts.

example of what is being claimed:
Spec sheet says capacitor should be rated 105C @ 10,000 hrs, but those are all gone
However the supplier has a bunch of 105C @ 9000 hrs. So those are ordered instead.
Then the supplier runs out of the 9000 hrs ones, so the 8000 hr ones go in. And so on.

At some point, someone does some math in excel on failure rates. A calculated risk is taken and in goes the 85C @ 20,000 hrs units. Because that is all that is left in the bins. Roll of the dice.

 

[Fallen Kell]

The new cards are lower-specced, and use smaller chips. You can fit more small chips per silicon wafer, and get higher yields. Thus, for each 3090/3080 chip, they could make ~1.6x 3070/3060ti chips, or ~2.3x 3060 chips.

If there's a bottleneck in chip production, more SKUs actually can translate to more cards in the wild.

Its more like this, we have this massive demand creating a chip shortage, and we (Nvidia) have all these chips that failed to make it past QA/binning for various reasons, and we (Nvidia) smartly designed the chip such that it could have sections disabled that don't pass QA/binning, and now we (Nvidia) can take all these chips that failed to pass and are sitting here on a shelf and sell them to meet some of the demand, by releasing a new lower-end card, or we could just throw them out.

So the 3080 mobile, 3080 Max-Q, 3070 Ti (possibly), 3070 mobile, 3070 Max-Q, 3070, and 3060 Ti, all use the same exact chip, just with different pieces of it that may have failed QA or power/speed binning. The same happens with the 3090, 3080, 3080 Ti (possibly), A40, and A6000 all use the same exact chip (again, with different pieces of it enabled/disabled).

And from the 3060, it is really an answer to the mining business, to get miners off their graphics cards and onto dedicated mining platform cards, and the upcoming 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti will be doing the same thing as the 3060 did for mining.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Can't they make video cards that would be useless for miners that are high end enough for today's game's demands and just make some kind of card that is just for mining? I would think that they could cater to both markets at the same time?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Can't they make video cards that would be useless for miners that are high end enough for today's game's demands and just make some kind of card that is just for mining? I would think that they could cater to both markets at the same time?

Fully-programmable general-purpose microprocessors are just that. So, in the general sense, NO.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So anyone watching the AMD Out of Stock event?

 

[GrumpyMan]

Fully-programmable general-purpose microprocessors are just that. So, in the general sense, NO.

I am disappoint.

 

[simas]

Fully-programmable general-purpose microprocessors are just that. So, in the general sense, NO.

I think until 'crypto' is legally being dealt with as a controlled substance , none of this would stop - making it illegal to deal, possess, manufacture, distribute, etc. At minimum making all this activity fully taxable - solve prime numbers problem all you want , however the moment you step into the world of manufacturing currency equivalent or asset of value, pay taxes on the 'gains' (value of what you 'mined' ) . making this economically not feasible is ultimately a solution in my opinion.

 

[Mopetar]

Its more like this, we have this massive demand creating a chip shortage, and we (Nvidia) have all these chips that failed to make it past QA/binning for various reasons, and we (Nvidia) smartly designed the chip such that it could have sections disabled that don't pass QA/binning, and now we (Nvidia) can take all these chips that failed to pass and are sitting here on a shelf and sell them to meet some of the demand, by releasing a new lower-end card, or we could just throw them out.

So the 3080 mobile, 3080 Max-Q, 3070 Ti (possibly), 3070 mobile, 3070 Max-Q, 3070, and 3060 Ti, all use the same exact chip, just with different pieces of it that may have failed QA or power/speed binning. The same happens with the 3090, 3080, 3080 Ti (possibly), A40, and A6000 all use the same exact chip (again, with different pieces of it enabled/disabled).

And from the 3060, it is really an answer to the mining business, to get miners off their graphics cards and onto dedicated mining platform cards, and the upcoming 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti will be doing the same thing as the 3060 did for mining.

Companies bin chips that way anyhow since they make more money selling a single chip as multiple products, especially when the chips would otherwise go to waste.

Also Nvidia did nothing to stop mining with the 3060. They stopped one of the most popular currencies, but testing by reviewers found crypto currencies that were completely unaffected so the card will still be sought after by miners.

Nvidia's strategy is ultimately useless anyway since it can't protect against any mining algorithms that don't exist yet and existing currencies can always change to something that Nvidia doesn't flag and stop. Once you can mine you just don't update the drivers. At best Nvidia can play whack-a-mole for no real gain outside of some good PR in the eyes of people who think they're accomplishing anything.

 

[Mopetar]

I think until 'crypto' is legally being dealt with as a controlled substance , none of this would stop - making it illegal to deal, possess, manufacture, distribute, etc.

This is why it's completely impossible for me to buy cocaine.

Sadly it's far harder to buy a new GPU than it is to buy controlled substances.

 

[simas]

This is why it's completely possible for me to buy cocaine.

Sadly it's far harder to buy a new GPU than it is to buy controlled substances.

no idea where you are so not sure what to respond. In my locale (USA) the answer is 'no, not legally'.

And all of the sorry excuses of "miners (growers) are people too", 'they just trying to make a living, think of the/their children', or best 'they were hit hard by pandemic feel sorry for them' - none of that works if you are growing, dealing, manufacturing or distributing cocaine . You end up in jail at least in the state/country I live in... Your own mileage may wary..

 

[Mopetar]

The point is that cocaine is illegal and that it's done little to stop the production, sale, or use of it. Why do you think it could stop mining?

That some people end up in jail for it would deter very few people. Which is why both of us could quite easily purchase cocaine right now if we were so inclined.

 

[simas]

The point is that cocaine is illegal and that it's done little to stop the production, sale, or use of it. Why do you think it could stop mining?

That some people end up in jail for it would deter very few people. Which is why both of us could quite easily purchase cocaine right now if we were so inclined.

I disagree, while I think the policies in place can not stop consumption completely , they deter pretty well especially when you compare with other poisons (alcohol and tobacco) , orders of magnitude less so policies are extremely efficient . Ask yourself if you are driving around various farms proudly advertising growing coco ("in business since 1947. family owned")? does not exists . what about large scale distribution centers with wide selection? nope. cheap, easily available? nope, nope, nope.

and for second item you mention - nothing stopping you from buying a GPU right now, it is easily and widely available on e-bay - you just going to pay significantly more than msrp. Same with PS5/consoles. I am not sure I follow your argument that is somehow harder to buy than illegal substance.