Why do we murder animals?

[raildogg]

Maybe I'm being very, very naive to post this on Off Topic but I just saw the headline of the guys in Mississippi killing a 700+ lbs. alligator with a crossbow. They actually have the photo of them holding it's dead body in their arms - displayed with great pride.

Recently, a guy told me a story, with great pride, of how he perfectly aimed at a deer in the right spot that once hit, the deer literally exploded. He had a big grin on his face. The insides of my stomach were turning. This is not to say I'm better in any way to this man. It's that the idea of killing an animal is so completely natural to him that it's almost scary.

Are we humans that bored that we look for ways of entertaining ourselves, or raising our self-esteem, by murdering innocent forms of life? Don't we realize that the difference between killing a deer and a human isn't that great? The deer cannot talk, has less intelligence, cannot send a man to the moon; however, it shows what kind of value humans place upon life.

I don't expect any serious replies. I'm just posting for posting's sake.

 

[coxmaster]

For the record, not everyone hunts for entertainment. In fact I would venture to say MOST people don't hunt for entertainment

 

[SolMiester]

mur·der (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v.tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.

Nothing about animals there......so guess what...I there is no such thing as murdering animals!


Well, i suppose you could go with verb #2....but thats pushing it

 

[Ruptga]

Only people can be murdered. Animals are simply killed, even when it is unprovoked. Animals have value, but are nowhere near as valuable as a person. I am using small sentences because I think you're stupid.

 

[Jeffg010]

To eat them.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I don't hunt. but I'm an honorary member of People Eating Tasty Animals.

Die, cow! That I might feast tonight on steaky goodness!

 

[raildogg]

I expected this from ATOT. I guess I'm bored and have nothing better to do than to post here. Sorry guys. I should have know better.

On a simple end note, I would say the majority of these so-called hunters kill animals for entertainment.

Stuff like this doesn't belong on a forum like this. AddAvenger, you are correct, sir. I am stupid indeed.

 

[coxmaster]

I expected this from ATOT. I guess I'm bored and have nothing better to do than to post here. Sorry guys. I should have know better.

On a simple end note, I would say the majority of these so-called hunters kill animals for entertainment.

Stuff like this doesn't belong on a forum like this. AddAvenger, you are correct, sir. I am stupid indeed.

Hahahahaha, yeah.. no

 

[etrigan420]

On a simple end note, I would say the majority of these so-called hunters kill animals for entertainment.

I would say you're completely wrong.

I don't have any facts to back that up...but I'd say that makes us even.

 

[Pulsar]

Maybe I'm being very, very naive to post this on Off Topic but I just saw the headline of the guys in Mississippi killing a 700+ lbs. alligator with a crossbow. They actually have the photo of them holding it's dead body in their arms - displayed with great pride.

Recently, a guy told me a story, with great pride, of how he perfectly aimed at a deer in the right spot that once hit, the deer literally exploded. He had a big grin on his face. The insides of my stomach were turning. This is not to say I'm better in any way to this man. It's that the idea of killing an animal is so completely natural to him that it's almost scary.

Are we humans that bored that we look for ways of entertaining ourselves, or raising our self-esteem, by murdering innocent forms of life? Don't we realize that the difference between killing a deer and a human isn't that great? The deer cannot talk, has less intelligence, cannot send a man to the moon; however, it shows what kind of value humans place upon life.

I don't expect any serious replies. I'm just posting for posting's sake.

Ok. Here's a serious reply.

Every hunter I know hunts to keep the meat. Not because they hunt to survive, but because they enjoy the hunter-prey relationship.

However, the question of why we hunt at all is completely different. We allow hunting of different species because the habitat has been thrown so out-of-whack by human beings that we need to kill off certain types to maintain balance. For instance, there's a huge problem with white-tail deer overpopluation in the mid-west. The overpopulation causes starvation and disease. They decimate forests by eating low-hanging branches when food becomes scarce. Keeping the herds trimmed to a reasonable level results in healthy animals that aren't starving to death.

That is the reason there are seasons on many other animals as well, including alligators. Believe it or not, alligators do pose a danger to humans. When they begin to over populate, they push into areas where humans are. That is dangerous. They also begin killing eachother, and eating all their prey-species to extinction.

There are both practical and non-pracitical reasons for hunting.

Hell, we fish all the time. Fish are tasty as all heck, and it's fun to sit and fish with your family.

Keep one more thing in mind. Meat on the table means it was killed somehow. In a barn, on a ranch, or hunted and shot in a forest isn't really much different.

PS. Most hunters don't hunt for the 'killing'. They hunt because of the skill involved, and the tasty meat products they can make afterwards. Hunting season opens in a while, and I can't wait for fresh venison jerky and sausage! I've never met a person who enjoys butchering an animal. Not one.

 

[x-alki]

I expected this from ATOT. I guess I'm bored and have nothing better to do than to post here. Sorry guys. I should have know better.

On a simple end note, I would say the majority of these so-called hunters kill animals for entertainment.

Stuff like this doesn't belong on a forum like this. AddAvenger, you are correct, sir. I am stupid indeed.

I say the OP is a pussy. Does that make my statement correct? Of course it doesn't. Say what you want but back it up with facts.

 

[dighn]

Don't we realize that the difference between killing a deer and a human isn't that great? The deer cannot talk, has less intelligence, cannot send a man to the moon; however, it shows what kind of value humans place upon life.

people who really think like this terrify me.

 

[exdeath]

I want to hunt lions and elephants and hippos and things that can eat me. Nothing gets the blood pumping like having a pissed off elephant charging you and holding fire until its head on at 15 yards and closing to make sure you get a good shot.

 

[SolMiester]

Ok. Here's a serious reply.

Every hunter I know hunts to keep the meat. Not because they hunt to survive, but because they enjoy the hunter-prey relationship.

However, the question of why we hunt at all is completely different. We allow hunting of different species because the habitat has been thrown so out-of-whack by human beings that we need to kill off certain types to maintain balance. For instance, there's a huge problem with white-tail deer overpopluation in the mid-west. The overpopulation causes starvation and disease. They decimate forests by eating low-hanging branches when food becomes scarce. Keeping the herds trimmed to a reasonable level results in healthy animals that aren't starving to death.

That is the reason there are seasons on many other animals as well, including alligators. Believe it or not, alligators do pose a danger to humans. When they begin to over populate, they push into areas where humans are. That is dangerous. They also begin killing eachother, and eating all their prey-species to extinction.

There are both practical and non-pracitical reasons for hunting.

Hell, we fish all the time. Fish are tasty as all heck, and it's fun to sit and fish with your family.

Keep one more thing in mind. Meat on the table means it was killed somehow. In a barn, on a ranch, or hunted and shot in a forest isn't really much different.

PS. Most hunters don't hunt for the 'killing'. They hunt because of the skill involved, and the tasty meat products they can make afterwards. Hunting season opens in a while, and I can't wait for fresh venison jerky and sausage! I've never met a person who enjoys butchering an animal. Not one.

In all fairness, I have to say this is probably an exemplary answer to the OP...well done sir...

 

[lxskllr]

On a simple end note, I would say the majority of these so-called hunters kill animals for entertainment.

Why can't someone derive enjoyment from getting their food? Which is more dishonorable; Someone who takes pleasure in shooting their food themselves, or someone who lets others do their killing for them, and buys their food shrink wrapped?

 

[exdeath]

Why can't someone derive enjoyment from getting their food? Which is more dishonorable; Someone who takes pleasure in shooting their food themselves, or someone who lets others do their killing for them, and buys their food shrink wrapped?

With red die fake blood added even to make it look fresh!

 

[HeXen]

PS. Most hunters don't hunt for the 'killing'. They hunt because of the skill involved, and the tasty meat products they can make afterwards. Hunting season opens in a while, and I can't wait for fresh venison jerky and sausage! I've never met a person who enjoys butchering an animal. Not one.

There is little skill or danger in modern hunting. All safe n cozy in their camo gear, behind a rifle. That's not hunting like a predator, that's just waiting for their pussy to get wet so they can snack on jerky to feed their fat face. Killing animals as a need for survival like any other predator is hunting. What they do today is just personal entertainment, bragging rights and ways to make them more obese.

 

[Phoenix86]

I would say you're completely wrong.

I don't have any facts to back that up...but I'd say that makes us even.

Actually, he's right. Of course he's also completely wrong...

Most hunters enjoy hunting, they don't need it to survive. They hunt because it's a hobby/sport. However, for the most part, they don't let the meat spoil either. It's not waste, so how is it bad they also enjoy it? Yeah, there isn't one. There's also the fact that hunting many animals is necessary for population control.

Associating hunting (even enjoying it) to being anywhere near close to human murder is willful ignorance of a colossal scale.

People who paint in black and white have extremely limited viewpoints.

 

[silverpig]

There is little skill or danger in modern hunting. All safe n cozy in their camo gear, behind a rifle. That's not hunting like a predator, that's just waiting for their pussy to get wet so they can snack on jerky to feed their fat face. Killing animals as a need for survival like any other predator is hunting. What they do today is just personal entertainment, bragging rights and ways to make them more obese.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, but it's probably rooted in truth.

I would like to go hunting sometime, but I'd like it to be a persistence hunt where I run something down over 4 hours and then kill it with a knife. It'd be more about appreciating the difficulty and the taking of a life for sustenance than pleasure or to go kill something.

I also have a pie-in-the-sky idea that everyone should have to kill one of whatever animal they want to eat. Want to eat beef? Gotta bleed out a steer and watch it die. I think people would eat less meat (but still enough) and not waste that last bit of hamburger.

 

[Fritzo]

If they had weapons, they'd murder us too.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I want to hunt lions and elephants and hippos and things that can eat me. Nothing gets the blood pumping like having a pissed off elephant charging you and holding fire until its head on at 15 yards and closing to make sure you get a good shot.

Moose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODgwgaLTnh8

You miss that first shoot, even the smallest prey will let loose on you

edit- I'm sitting giggling remembering when we would go shoot rats at the dump, piss those buggers off and they start chasing you around. We would start screaming RABIES and running around laughing our asses off

 

[exdeath]

Moose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODgwgaLTnh8

You miss that first shoot, even the smallest prey will let loose on you

Lol those moose are all "FU"

 

[vi edit]

Ok, I don't know of anything short of a battleship cannon that could literally explode a deer. I'm calling BS on that. Large caliber rounds could certainly rip legs off, but it's not going to cause a deer to "explode".

As for reasons, like others have said, an overwhelming majority of hunters (deer in particular) *are* actually eating (or donating the meat) the animal. They aren't head hunting, cutting off a massive set of horns and tossing a carcass in the woods. They do actually process the meat and do something useful with it.

Where I live herd management is huge. Deer populations are wildly out of control. We've killed off or shoo'ed away all natural predators and now they just breed without abandon and terrible diseases start cropping up. Chronic wasting disease..AKA mad cow disease is one such disease that has wrecked havoc on deer. To the point where state conservation departments (Wisconsin is a an example) have issued kill on site orders for deer in afflicted areas. Humans (and not just the hunting ones) have completely screwed up the food chain of many animals and hunting is one of the primary ways to keep those in check.

 

[Sonikku]

Why do we murder animals?

For Bacon.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Many people who hunt actually eat the meat of the animals they kill and they do have to pay for the tags to hunt the animals they harvest, this money goes to the Department of Fish and Game and helps pay for the wildlife management that is so important, and it is very important that we manage this ourselves since we've killed off most of the natural predators of species like deer. Maybe you would prefer that deer starve to death than be killed for food?

I don't hunt but I do support wildlife management and hunting as long as it isn't trophy hunting. There is no valid reason for that other than vanity. Fuck trophy hunters.