Quote of the dayWhy do animals murder other animals? Why do animals murder plants?
Don't say for eating, because that's not the case. Hell, most plant matter animals eat isn't even used, and the common household cat is an absolute sociopath.
Also, murder doesn't count if the murdered is homeless.
I'm not confused over where meat comes from, even though I don't live on a farm and I don't have goats.
But, you said nobody had to kill animals. Of course I knew that you knew that cows lived on farms. But, do you think they wait until the cows die of old age before you get your porterhouse?
I think what you meant is that most people don't have to personally kill the animal that they eat. But, this has absolutely no bearing on the number of animals killed for food.
The farmer kills it/the butcher kills it/the meat packing house kills it - it makes no difference. So, to make a statement that implies that "we're better than those who kill animals for food, no one should have to kill food" seems short sighted.
I should clarify what I said above: I have known people in rural areas all my life who actually do hunt for food. One guy I know in eastern Maryland fills his freezer with venison every year. He's an oysterman, doesn't make much money, and supplements his diet this way. I suspect these folks are a minority of all hunters in the U.S., though.
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Hunting has many uses. Those that want it to stop read this Hunting is very needed.
I have been hunting all my life. I know and have talked to maybe hundreds of different hunters. I have meet only 1 person that killed for the joy of the kill. the kid was a nutcase. The rest enjoy the meat and challenge. Deer,elk, pheasant, duck, rabbit and turkey are all amazing.
Where i have issue with hunters are those rare idiots that take a shot that is NOT a clean kill. Then don't bother to track the animal to finish it off.
I haven't talked to any "sport hunters" i consider those that hunt like elephant, dinosaurs, tigers or beer. something you aren't hunting for meet or because of health issues. sorry i have little to no respect to someone that kills a animal just because.
Those talking about deer exploding. WTF are you talking about. IF there are videos then odds are they are NOT using a hunting rifle. a deer does not explode even in head shots (i have seen both).
personally i prefer bow hunting.
Herd populations still need to be controlled so the motives for why the particular hunter hunts really isn't all that important is it?
Nothing about animals there......so guess what...I there is no such thing as murdering animals!
Only people can be murdered. Animals are simply killed, even when it is unprovoked. Animals have value, but are nowhere near as valuable as a person. I am using small sentences because I think you're stupid.
I have absolutely no problem with hunting, but I think it's fair to say that if you do hunt, you derive some enjoyment out of the hunt itself. If you really had no enjoyment in it, it would be much more convenient to drive 10 minutes to the local butcher rather than set up for an entire day waiting for the kill.
Don't we realize that the difference between killing a deer and a human isn't that great?
No, not really. But if you got rid of all the unimportant debates this forum would be empty.
That's true, but most hunting in the US is not to cull sick populations.
I saw if people want wild meat, get some fresh, non-smelly, non-diseased and non-maggot road kill.
Angel Island has always had deer but the resident Coast Miwok Indians guaranteed that the population was kept under control. Scientists believe that deer swm across Racoon Strait from the Tiburon peninsula and keeping the population stable. After the Miwoks, the US Army controlled Angel Island for over one hundred years and allowed hunting on the island.
It wasn’t until 1964 when Angel Island became a state park that the number of deer began to increase. The Island is a square mile and isn’t home to any deer predators. When hunting was banned the deer population grew dramatically and quickly. In 1976 the park decided to reduce the herd. Fifty deer were shot. The transported carcasses were met by television crews in Sausalito. The bloody scene was broadcast across the Bay area that evening. The ensuing public response caused the State Park to halt the program and the island was soon overrun with deer again.
By 1981 it became clear that something had to be done. Several options were proposed: Introduce coyotes. Allow hunting by the rangers. Capture the deer and airlift them off the Island to safety. Unfortunately all of the above were discarded for various reasons although 215 deer were moved to the Mendocino National Forest. After just three months 50% of the deer were dead and by the end of the first year only 30 deer remained alive. The total cost was $100,000.
By 1984 the deer were overrunning the island again. The SPCA then started a sterilization program. They captured female deer and implanted birth control devices. But they kept catching the same does over and over.
Public hearings on the continuing deer problem began in 1985. One serious proposal was to introduce coyotes to the island. But the vision of deer being eaten by coyotes was too much for the SPCA and the general public.
Finally a consensus was reached. Angel Island rangers could reduce the herd by periodic hunting. Biologists estimate that a herd of 200 deer is the carrying capacity for Angel Island. Now the deer are more vigorous, healthier and never beg from the public. The venison is donated to St. Vincent de Paul to feed the hungry. The hides, hooves and antlers are saved and used in naturalist programs all over the state. Like the natives before them, the rangers waste nothing of the deer.