Drako
Lifer
- Jun 9, 2007
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Is that like:
If women weren't meant to be raped, they wouldn't have such nice vaginas?
Wow, you have absolutely no sense of humor, do you? :hmm:
Is that like:
If women weren't meant to be raped, they wouldn't have such nice vaginas?
Is that like:
If women weren't meant to be raped, they wouldn't have such nice vaginas?
I didn't say that. I said that nobody in the U.S. had a need to hunt for food. Since you can get everything you need at the local market a lot faster, and without any special clothing, I assume there must be some motivation other than need for hunters.
I don't think anything I wrote implies any such value judgement. Somebody said hunting was not about entertainment, and I am essentially challenging that statement.
As a general rule we're better off being able to go to the market and get what we need in twenty minutes. That's an advantage of our advanced civilization. Along with washing machines it is one of the things which gives us back leisure time that our ancestors didn't have access to. Hunting for food takes time, skill, preparation. There is an uncertain chance of success. The motivation is unlikely to be simply acquiring things to eat.
There is a strong movement to make the lives and deaths of livestock more humane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin
It is disgusting to kill animals for no good purpose (such as self defense, food and clothing). It's immoral on many levels.
Fern
Well, I guess if you needed vagina to live. Is it edible? Have you ever eaten it?
I guess it's "better" when animals kill other animals....because it's "natural"?
You know, when say, a lioness takes down a zebra or an impala, and she's in the process of killing it slowly by suffocation, and the other lions go ahead and start eating it while it's still very much alive?
Or when a wolf pack takes down a buffalo and start eating it while it's still alive?
Nature is a constant life-and-death struggle, which consists of animals ripping each other apart and eating.
And we're supposed to feel bad because someone kills a deer or other animal with a rifle, and it dies very quickly?
You know, you've convinced me, that rape is ok. I mean, in the animal kingdom, animals are sometimes quite nasty rapists - makes ours look mild. So enjoy!
Your argument is unpersuasive that any act by man is any better or worse based on the acts that animals do.
Don't care if you liked the explanation or not, or if you are capable of understanding it, for that matter.
Fact is, the way man kills is much more humane than the way the animals would die naturally. All I was saying. It's not "murder".
As far as deer go, there are far too many of them around here. No natural predators anymore besides man. Some of them gotta go somehow.
if no one hunts, you can't get boar and deer at the butcher's. The butcher has to get the meat somewhere.
I guess it's "better" when animals kill other animals....because it's "natural"?
You know, when say, a lioness takes down a zebra or an impala, and she's in the process of killing it slowly by suffocation, and the other lions go ahead and start eating it while it's still very much alive?
Or when a wolf pack takes down a buffalo and start eating it while it's still alive?
Nature is a constant life-and-death struggle, which consists of animals ripping each other apart and eating.
And we're supposed to feel bad because someone kills a deer or other animal with a rifle, and it dies very quickly?
It is disgusting to kill animals for no good purpose (such as self defense, food and clothing). It's immoral on many levels.
Fern
We don't get to agree much, but glad for this.
yes. Lions kill for food. We in our current society don't need to hunt for food. Unless hillbilles in the US haven't invented agriculture or pastoralism yet, but there you go. Lions and wolves the last time I checked don't and cannot know better. Also, most people in the US hunt for sport. You're presenting a chalk and cheese argument.
I guess I find it silly that so many people are "ok" with supermarkets yet have somewhat strong feelings against hunting. It's not like a stockyard or commercial chicken farm is anywhere close to humane or a "happy life" for the animal. I guess ignorance is bliss.
Would venture to guess that it's a "City folk" vs "Country folk" division for the most part.
yes. Lions kill for food. We in our current society don't need to hunt for food. Unless hillbilles in the US haven't invented agriculture or pastoralism yet, but there you go. Lions and wolves the last time I checked don't and cannot know better. Also, most people in the US hunt for sport. You're presenting a chalk and cheese argument.
OK, so wolves can reason as we do? Wolves can't survive on anything else other than flesh? So yeah, wolves can't help it, we can. We can thus choose not to kill animals, or at the least kill them for valid purposes.
There is nothing wrong with sport hunting.