Why do we murder animals?

[Pacfanweb]

yes. Lions kill for food. We in our current society don't need to hunt for food. Unless hillbilles in the US haven't invented agriculture or pastoralism yet, but there you go. Lions and wolves the last time I checked don't and cannot know better. Also, most people in the US hunt for sport. You're presenting a chalk and cheese argument.

B.S.

Animals like cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc, were put here and made easy to domesticate so we could eat them. What's the difference between that and hunting? It's just harder to get your meal hunting, that's all.

As far as "most people in the US hunt for sport", that's pretty subjective and you have no idea whether that's the case or not, especially since you apparently DON'T hunt, so you don't have a lot of contact with that many people who do.

Lots of people like deer meat. You can't buy a lot of it in groceries, and as with any other farm-raised animal, it doesn't taste the same anyway. Your only opportunity is hunting. If someone gets a thrill from the hunt....so what? That is also something that was instilled in man from the start. IMO it was done so we would be more apt to hunt and get good at it, so we wouldn't starve.

Just because we have other ways to get food now doesn't mean we should stop hunting. It's a perfectly natural, instinctive thing to do for many people.

 

[mammador]

B.S.

Animals like cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc, were put here and made easy to domesticate so we could eat them. What's the difference between that and hunting? It's just harder to get your meal hunting, that's all.

Yeah, so evolutionary theory says animals exist for humans' advantage? haha.. not even the Bible says that explicitly...

As far as "most people in the US hunt for sport", that's pretty subjective and you have no idea whether that's the case or not, especially since you apparently DON'T hunt, so you don't have a lot of contact with that many people who do.

I don't need to hunt. Why should I give a shit? I don't care if people ride sand dunes, so what?

Lots of people like deer meat. You can't buy a lot of it in groceries, and as with any other farm-raised animal, it doesn't taste the same anyway. Your only opportunity is hunting. If someone gets a thrill from the hunt....so what? That is also something that was instilled in man from the start. IMO it was done so we would be more apt to hunt and get good at it, so we wouldn't starve.

Yeah, and paleolithic man had no choice but to hunt or starve. I don't live in 45,000 years BCE, and? Since even 10,000 years ago, most humans (bar a few cultures) haven't had to hunt to survive, so your pseudo-biology is bullshit.

Just because we have other ways to get food now doesn't mean we should stop hunting. It's a perfectly natural, instinctive thing to do for many people.

You like push your opinion as fact, don't you? Natural for whom? You? Your friends and family? If it were truly "natural" most people wouldn't depend on agriculture.

 

[Nintendesert]

Our selective breeding and manipulation of their evolution clearly shows those species exist only for human consumption.

I get the problem here, it's ok for others to kill to feed you but it's not ok for someone to kill to feed themselves. Such a vile little hypocrite.

 

[mammador]

lol.. Go read some evolutionary theory. Nothing is "meant" in evolution, unless you believe God guides evolution, but then that's obviously contentious.

 

[waggy]

Our selective breeding and manipulation of their evolution clearly shows those species exist only for human consumption.

I get the problem here, it's ok for others to kill to feed you but it's not ok for someone to kill to feed themselves. Such a vile little hypocrite.

pretty much heh.

 

[Nintendesert]

lol.. Go read some evolutionary theory. Nothing is "meant" in evolution, unless you believe God guides evolution, but then that's obviously contentious.

You think all these breeds of cows, dogs, chickens, goats, sheep, horses etc. etc. etc. evolved that way? Humans guided their evolution through selective breeding for thousands of years. It wasn't God's hand that guided it, it was human hands. We certainly meant for these animals to exist as they are or these animals wouldn't exist at all.

 

[OverVolt]

I like the theory that humans were endurance hunters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o

It makes sense too, we can withstand insane heat. Reminds me of when I'm in the car with my dogs and they are panting like crazy and seem on the verge of passing out just from getting inside a hot car while I blast the AC. I'm like "what?" and don't really notice how miserable they are from the heat.

Crime is highest during the heat, and so are humans adrenaline levels. Alot of little factors like that add up.

 

[waggy]

I like the theory that humans were endurance hunters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o

It makes sense too, we can withstand insane heat. Reminds me of when I'm in the car with my dogs and they are panting like crazy and seem on the verge of passing out just from getting inside a hot car while I blast the AC. I'm like "what?" and don't really notice how miserable they are from the heat.

Crime is highest during the heat, and so are humans adrenaline levels. Alot of little factors like that add up.

Yeah i seen a report on this. Humans can deal with heat and cold very well. we are built to get high energy off a rather small amount of food.

it's a rather interesting theory.

 

[mammador]

yeah, that's why canines can eat largely meat and humans can't without being unhealthy, or why they can smell stuff from miles away and we can't. damn adaptation!!!

 

[OverVolt]

yeah, that's why canines can eat largely meat and humans can't without being unhealthy, or why they can smell stuff from miles away and we can't. damn adaptation!!!

We are vision dependent I feel like that would be better for tracking older trails than scent actually

Funny enough I suspect its not a coincidence that all the animals we domesticated are butt-ass slow at running endurance.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Hunters are the number one supporter of wildlife conservation efforts. Population control keeps things in check. Most hunters eat what they kill. Depending on where you live, hunting is the only way you can stock enough meat in the freezer for winter.

Yeah, so evolutionary theory says animals exist for humans' advantage? haha.. not even the Bible says that explicitly...

Have you even read any of it?

The Book of Genesis chapter 1 verse 26

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground

So yes the bible does indeed state that we are dominate over the animals, all of them. They are there for our benefit.

 

[jayzds]

I oppose wanton killing of animals. I don't even kill flies or insects.

Killing for food, IMO at least (yeah, since people don't need food) is not wanton. Nor is killing an animal for protection or to protect environments (like culling).

I don't get the need to kill animals for sport, and people who do as such are retarded.

I agree with the wanton killing of animals, that I would not agree with.
On the other hand there is nothing wrong enjoying the hunt. I am going in a few weeks and can't wait to get an Elk and enjoy the meat for a long time.
wtf about not killing flies or insects :-/ some weird shit there.

 

[OverVolt]

I agree with the wanton killing of animals, that I would not agree with.
On the other hand there is nothing wrong enjoying the hunt. I am going in a few weeks and can't wait to get an Elk and enjoy the meat for a long time.
wtf about not killing flies or insects :-/ some weird shit there.

If you drive around in the city, your windshield and/or entire front end doesn't get covered in bug splatters like it does out in the country.

I'm not sure how he would emotionally cope with that.

 

[Murloc]

mammador don't you drive a car?

It's like a genocide every time.

 

[Phoenix86]

You know, you've convinced me, that rape is ok. I mean, in the animal kingdom, animals are sometimes quite nasty rapists - makes ours look mild. So enjoy!

Your argument is unpersuasive that any act by man is any better or worse based on the acts that animals do.

'Cause if you don't get your rape on, you'll stave to death. Excellent analogy.

 

[Phoenix86]

Sport hunting (at least in some cases) is actually used to fund conservation efforts. I don't have a problem with sport hunting when the animals that are being hunted were bred for that purpose.

I personally wouldn't do it because I think it's stupid, but to each their own.

The amount of pure sport hunting, where the animal is killed for a mount alone is such an insignificant % of total hunting I'm not sure why it's brought up.

 

[SlitheryDee]

The amount of pure sport hunting, where the animal is killed for a mount alone is such an insignificant % of total hunting I'm not sure why it's brought up.

I don't really see a huge distinction though. The deer hunters I know are pretty much always hunting for trophy bucks above all else. They have other secondary goals as well, such as killing does and cull bucks for meat and herd management, but they always go to the woods first hoping to see that big trophy buck and then do those other things when the mount-worthy deer doesn't appear by the end of a hunt.

So the goals for any given hunt are: Kill a trophy buck above all, if the big buck doesn't show himself fill remaining doe-tags, and lacking the previous if you see an old buck with a poor rack, kill him to get him out of the gene pool. They are ALWAYS trophy hunting and manage to accomplish those secondary goals mostly because trophy deer are rare. Pretty much all the venison everyone kills still gets eaten as well, but I don't believe for a second that venison was ever the primary goal. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but the line between an average hunter and a "sport hunter" doesn't seem that distinct to me, assuming sport hunters also harvest the meat from their kills and at least someone ends up eating it.

 

[waggy]

If you drive around in the city, your windshield and/or entire front end doesn't get covered in bug splatters like it does out in the country.

I'm not sure how he would emotionally cope with that.

Yeah. i HATE that.

Its even worse when on a motorcycle. lol

 

[randay]

the deer literally exploded.

I dont think you know what these words mean.

 

[Pulsar]

I dont think you know what these words mean.

Why let facts stand in the way of over-exaggeration?

I mean every hunter uses explosived tipped cannon shells.

Hint for raildog: even a 50 cal. won't make a deer 'explode'.

 

[Staples]

I've always been of the opinion that we overvalue human lives.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I've always been of the opinion that we overvalue human lives.

I'm of the opinion that we definitely should value human life over other life for the simple reason that we are human. We should consider ourselves first because if we don't we will eventually be usurped by another species that does consider itself first. Any member of a species that doesn't choose their own species before all others is probably not going to do anything that helps in the continuation of their species. I also agree with you provisionally, but I think that statement needs some qualification.

 

[zerocool84]

Tasty tasty animals

 

[Phoenix86]

I don't really see a huge distinction though. The deer hunters I know are pretty much always hunting for trophy bucks above all else. They have other secondary goals as well, such as killing does and cull bucks for meat and herd management, but they always go to the woods first hoping to see that big trophy buck and then do those other things when the mount-worthy deer doesn't appear by the end of a hunt.

So the goals for any given hunt are: Kill a trophy buck above all, if the big buck doesn't show himself fill remaining doe-tags, and lacking the previous if you see an old buck with a poor rack, kill him to get him out of the gene pool. They are ALWAYS trophy hunting and manage to accomplish those secondary goals mostly because trophy deer are rare. Pretty much all the venison everyone kills still gets eaten as well, but I don't believe for a second that venison was ever the primary goal. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but the line between an average hunter and a "sport hunter" doesn't seem that distinct to me, assuming sport hunters also harvest the meat from their kills and at least someone ends up eating it.

Sport hunters hunt more than a "big buck", they often hunt exotic animals. They also don't use the meat, maybe someone does, maybe not. Just about every hunter would like to get a nice trophy too, but hunting an over populated animal and using the meat while getting a trophy (which comes first is irrelevant) is fine. Hunting exotic animals for their trophy case is a huge difference.

The distinction is clear and relevant.