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classy

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LOL! Moony you and couple others get stranger by the minute. Here's where we agree. We all agree that any kind of discrimnation towards gays is wrong. Where we disagree is what should the foundation of acceptance of gays be. What do I mean by that. For you to classify gays as a minority does several things. One it classifies them as whole different race of people. Which a person's sexual preference does not establish a race. So they don't fall under the same rules and guidelines that minorities would fall under cause sexual preference is not what determines a minority status. Second to classify gays in the same manner as blacks or minorities means that special provisions especially for them need to be established as in AA, educational type special statuses, and etc. etc. etc. All the same things designed to blend in or level the playing field between minoritys and whites. So do we now because of sexual preference do the same things for gays? Another thing is, to classify gays in the same sense of minoritys also means now society has to recognize same sex marriages. Hmmm, now we change laws that were meant to establish the foundation of life, the family, and make them fit so gays can portray a "normal family". And no matter how you slice it, a man and woman start a family by having children. Now sure there are couples who can't for certain reasons be able to fulfill that very basic aspect, but they do stand in the roles which are the foundation upon which the family is built. So we know minoritys can fulfill those roles. Why? Because being a minority is not built on sexual preference or choice. The reason most gay activists want to associate themselves with blacks is to gain not a legal status, but a social status. Its a strive to be accepted as normal. Its the right to teach your children its ok to be homosexual in school. Gay activists have an agenda. That agenda is quite frankly change the face of the family. Almost all of the social ills in our society can traced to the failing of the family. Being homosexual has not got a thing in the world in common with being minority. They may experience some of the outward reactions as do blacks or minoritys. But just because they do does not mean their plight is solved in the same manner and nor should it be. Nor does it make them entitled to be classified in the same way blacks are either.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Instead, looking over your posts, it appears as though you're a bigot against heterosexuals.

Why would you think he is gay? Doesn't that assumption seem like an extension of the irrationality you object to yourself supposedly having?
 

flavio

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Being homosexual has not got a thing in the world in common with being minority. They may experience some of the outward reactions as do blacks or minoritys. But just because they do does not mean their plight is solved in the same manner and nor should it be. Nor does it make them entitled to be classified in the same way blacks are either.

Classy - Do you know what minority means? In the U.S. gays ARE a minority and blacks ARE a minority. Also, both are discriminated against and both have been severely mistreated. I don't know what your hang up is about two, but the situation is more similar than it is different. Of course the plight of each should not be handled the same way though.

Neither case should get special treatment, and people of either minority should be treated any better or any worse than the average citizen. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally right?
 

sandorski

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Classy: The term "minority" is a numerical term, it is not a "racial" term. With that in mind, any group that is <50% of the population is a "minority". Whether that be a race, a culture, sexual state, or preference for a form of food/tv show/movie/music/yadda yadda ya a "minority" is a "minority".
 

classy

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Originally posted by: flavio
Being homosexual has not got a thing in the world in common with being minority. They may experience some of the outward reactions as do blacks or minoritys. But just because they do does not mean their plight is solved in the same manner and nor should it be. Nor does it make them entitled to be classified in the same way blacks are either.

Classy - Do you know what minority means? In the U.S. gays ARE a minority and blacks ARE a minority. Also, both are discriminated against and both have been severely mistreated. I don't know what your hang up is about two, but the situation is more similar than it is different. Of course the plight of each should not be handled the same way though.

Neither case should get special treatment, and people of either minority should be treated any better or any worse than the average citizen. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally right?


Webster

minority

n 1: a group of people who differ racially or politically from a larger group of which it is a part


I know what it means, the question is do you?

Minority can pertain to anything. But the minority as it pertains to this issue is what constitutes a legal minority status. I don't think sexual preference fits that bill. Are catholic preists minoritys? How about nuns? How about pedophiles? How about folks who practice Dominatrix type stuff? What do all these people have in common? They have different sexual behaviors? Preists and Nuns have none. So are they entiled to minority status? Peds like doing kids. Lets see, they were born that way. Pedophilia is part of their genes. Thats the same arguements homosexuals use to support their arguement. Why can't pedophiles do the same? What is the difference between hetrosexuals and homosexuals? The choice of sexual partners. The basis of homosexuality is the choice of sexual behavior. As much as we like get around the issue, it is the very center of the issue. The sex is the heart of the matter. See you can't compare what is ultimately a choice of lifestyle as to what race a person was born. It just doesn't fit.

 

flavio

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mi·nor·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-n&ocirc;r-t, -nr-, m-)
n. pl. mi·nor·i·ties

The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.
A group or party having fewer than a controlling number of votes.

An ethnic, racial, religious, or other group having a distinctive presence within a society.
A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society.
A member of one of these groups. See Usage Note at color.
Law. The state or period of being under legal age: still in her minority.

from www.dictionary.com

Now address the real issue and quit playing games.

Also, both are discriminated against and both have been severely mistreated. I don't know what your hang up is about two, but the situation is more similar than it is different. Of course the plight of each should not be handled the same way though.

Neither case should get special treatment, and people of either minority should be treated any better or any worse than the average citizen. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally right?

 

Moonbeam

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classy, it's interesting that you can be black and transparent too.

You constantly refer to gays along with pedophiles and other sexual weirdness because you are irrationally disgusted by homosexuality and want to condemn it by analogy. It's your bigotry shining through. You continue to try to distort your position with words like 'disagree with' or 'minority' and you keep getting blown out of the water, but you struggle on for reasons I've already labored to death.

And you are still stuck on the question of choosing the gay lifestyle. Heterosexual sex with minors is illegal. The same for homosexuals. Sex between consenting adults of opposite sexes is illegal. It should be that way for gays. Each chooses to have sex with what sexually attracts them. Both choose. Each has no sexual interest, in absolute cases, with the opposite of their orientation. The orientation of both is fixed. Gay and straight are identically in all ways except orientation and numbers and the kind of bigotry they face. Blacks and whites are identical in all ways but (locally) number, colour and the bigotry they face. Booth blacks and gays are minorities in all the usual uses of that word. It's your bigotry that keeps you spinning your hamster wheel. Stop and smell the roses. Gays don't deserve your negativity any more than blacks do the BS thrown their way. Do you like your women barefoot and pregnant too?



 

classy

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Well Moon I'll just leave it at this. You can classify me whatever, lol. I am stating this now. I do not support homosexual sex or same sex marriages. My belief is grounded in sound judgement of a man and woman for various reasons. Not man and man, woman and woman, man with animal or anything else. You can do whatever you want. Thats your perogative. But I would rather be a rooted tree with these beliefs, than be a leaf just blowing in the direction of every whim of idea, no matter how ridiculous the idea may be. Maybe you need to embrace some deep closet feelings. But in your endeavor to "find" yourself, be a man or inner woman if you like, and look to that which you find as basis for what you believe is right and not adopt the suffering of others as your own badge of honor and need for respect. For blacks endured and stood on the basis that we were equals regardless of our color. We didn't turn to someone or something else to justify our quest. Jews didn't do that either. Why? Because what we fought for was the truth, that racism is a lie. It needed no explanation or justification. That truth stood on its own merit and continues to stand on its own merit. If homosexuality had any shred of truth in it, there would be no need to have its identity lumped together with something else. Because what is truth will stand all by itself without any need for justification or explanation.

"Before you remove the speck out of your brother's eye, first remove the beam out of your own eye."
 

flavio

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That truth stood on its own merit and continues to stand on its own merit. If homosexuality had any shred of truth in it, there would be no need to have its identity lumped together with something else. Because what is truth will stand all by itself without any need for justification or explanation.

You keep ignoring me Classy and I am starting to think it's purely from the weakness of your position. Blacks and gays are "lumped together" purely because they both fall under the definition of Minority.

mi·nor·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-n&ocirc;r-t, -nr-, m-)
n. pl. mi·nor·i·ties

The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.
A group or party having fewer than a controlling number of votes.

An ethnic, racial, religious, or other group having a distinctive presence within a society.

The "truth" that blacks deserve equal rights needed plenty of justification and explanation back when slavery was rampant. So your point is gone. The fact once again is:

both are discriminated against and both have been severely mistreated. I don't know what your hang up is about the two, but the situation is more similar than it is different. Of course the plight of each should not be handled the same way though.

Neither case should get special treatment, and people of either minority shouldn't be treated any better or any worse than the average citizen. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally right?

The "truth" is that you're a bigot.






 

Dari

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Moonbeam, your classification of gays and blacks because they're minorities falls flat in the global scheme of things. I've exposed you there (read my damn posts, I don't want to repeat them) and your only answer was to label me a racist. Gays may be discriminated against in this country, but what group isn't. The only difference between gays and blacks is that the latter's discrimination was institutionalized. Homosexuality has been happily practiced by Europeans (starting with the Greeks) for thousands of years. Europeans are the only group that explicitly promote this lifestyle. No other racial or ethnic group does. Only when Europeans became influenced by non-European cultures (e.g. African, Middle Eastern, Asian) did this lifestyle seem sick and unacceptable. Judging from your point of view, the entire world (bar Europeans) practices bigotry, right?
 

Jzero

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Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but maybe they "Need" it because they think it will make them money.
Don't think of yourself or anyone else as a minority, social class, or what have you.

Think like a Marketing person. Think of yourself as a TARGET MARKET. Perhaps some analyst at Marvel has decided that homosexuals represent an untapped target market that could be exploited for a couple million bucks. No social activism. They don't care about gays or gay rights. They bottom line is key.
 

Moonbeam

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Well Moon I'll just leave it at this. You can classify me whatever, lol. I am stating this now. I do not support homosexual sex or same sex marriages. (a completely different issue)

My belief is grounded in sound judgement (saying so isn't making so) of a man and woman for various reasons(which we have demonstrated are irrational). Not man and man, woman and woman, man with animal or anything else. You can do whatever you want.(My my, an implied insult, how gracious) That?s your prerogative.(I said I am hopelessly heterosexual without a possibility of choice in the matter. More of your BS irrational insistence on 'choice')

But I would rather be a rooted tree (read bigot) with these beliefs, than be a leaf just blowing in the direction of every whim of idea, no matter how ridiculous the idea may be (Read open minded). Maybe you need to embrace some deep closet feelings. (I have no choice. If you do as you claim sexual preference is than clearly you are the one in the closet )But in your endeavor to "find" yourself, be a man or inner woman if you like, and look to that which you find as basis for what you believe is right and not adopt the suffering of others as your own badge of honor and need for respect. (Yours is the thinking that creates suffering)

For blacks endured and stood on the basis that we were equals regardless of our color. (And clearly now some of them have become so self absorbed in their equality they can't extend it to gays who suffer the same plight) We didn't turn to someone or something else to justify our quest. (No of course there are no racist blacks)Jews didn't do that either. Why? Because what we fought for was the truth, that racism is a lie. (Just like a rational reason for homophobia is a lie)It needed no explanation or justification. (see flavio)That truth stood on its own merit and continues to stand on its own merit. (Not with you it doesn't)

If homosexuality had any shred of truth in it, there would be no need to have its identity lumped together with something else. (there is no need to lump, it is just an identical phenomena your equivalent racism against gays blinds you to)Because what is truth will stand all by itself without any need for justification or explanation. (yes it will and you homophobes and racists will one day all be swept away, by leaf blowers no doubt)

"Before you remove the speck out of your brother's eye, first remove the beam out of your own eye." (Yup, you do that.)
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Dari:

Moonbeam, your classification of gays and blacks because they're minorities falls flat in the global scheme of things. I've exposed you there (read my damn posts, I don't want to repeat them) and your only answer was to label me a racist. (Your damn posts said nothing but that you are bigoted. Bigotry has nothing whatsoever to do with minority status. Lots of people are prejudiced against Chinese. Chinese are a majority and being prejudiced against Chinese is still bigotry. Wake up.) Gays may be discriminated against in this country, but what group isn't. (Think whites) The only difference between gays and blacks is that the latter's discrimination was institutionalized. Oh really, there are no sodomy laws or laws against homosexual activity?) dari's parenthesis) Homosexuality has been happily practiced by Europeans (starting with the Greeks) for thousands of years. (Gosh are you a racist bigot too? I thought it was the Arabs. ) Europeans are the only group that explicitly promote this lifestyle. (Those bad bad Europeans. Are you Indian?) No other racial or ethnic group does. (You are phenomenally ignorant.) Only when Europeans became influenced by non-European cultures (e.g. African, Middle Eastern, Asian) did this lifestyle seem sick and unacceptable. Judging from your point of view, the entire world (bar Europeans) practices bigotry, right? (No the entire world including Europeans) (Goodness me, what a chip you have on your shoulder. You sound for all the world like a person who has been made to feel backward by one culture and arrogantly superior by another. Good luck, you are neither)


 

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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Instead, looking over your posts, it appears as though you're a bigot against heterosexuals.

Why would you think he is gay? Doesn't that assumption seem like an extension of the irrationality you object to yourself supposedly having?
I'm not assuming that Moonie is gay. I simply said he seems to be a bigot against heterosexuals. He may be a heterosexual and hate himself. But he continues to blather on about our 'irrational' position without providing any real argument as to why we should be considered irrational. Furthermore, I have presented several rational, logical explanations as to why I feel the way I do against gays. The only response has been namecalling and pitiful attempts to legitimize the homosexual 'lifestyle' by trying to compare it to being black, blue-eyed, etc. The fact is, homsexuality is detrimental to society, much as smoking is. In the long run you are putting your own lifespan at risk, in addition to increasing the risk of those around you. Just like any other detrimental trait, it will result in you being 'culled from the herd', leaving the strongest to survive.
 

FeathersMcGraw

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Originally posted by: BooneRebel

I'm not assuming that Moonie is gay. I simply said he seems to be a bigot against heterosexuals. He may be a heterosexual and hate himself. But he continues to blather on about our 'irrational' position without providing any real argument as to why we should be considered irrational. Furthermore, I have presented several rational, logical explanations as to why I feel the way I do against gays. The only response has been namecalling and pitiful attempts to legitimize the homosexual 'lifestyle' by trying to compare it to being black, blue-eyed, etc. The fact is, homsexuality is detrimental to society, much as smoking is. In the long run you are putting your own lifespan at risk, in addition to increasing the risk of those around you. Just like any other detrimental trait, it will result in you being 'culled from the herd', leaving the strongest to survive.

Guess what? Being heterosexual doesn't mean that you automatically consider gays to be a detriment to society. Moonbeam's talking to you.

And monogamy among homosexuals doesn't yield any more additional risk of STDs than it does among heterosexuals. But I guess it's easier for your peace of mind to assume that homosexuality means that all these people do nothing but have sex with each other all day long.
 

skace

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<FONT face=Verdana size=1>BooneRebel, if anything i think it would be safe to say moonbeam is a bigot against closemindedness (hope that is termed right). He accepts heterosexuals, he accepts homosexuals, he doesn't accept those who won't accept both of those. Or at least thats what I picked up from this thread. He never once said a man can't love a woman (thus justifying your comments).

I find it really funny that Classy brought up animals in his post (woman with a woman, man with a man, man with an animal). Had this been a week ago, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But a few nights ago I saw Ellen Degenerous, on some channel as I was flipping through, doing standup comedy. She was pretty funny, so I kept watching. I'm not going to play back her whole routine, but towards the end of the show she mentioned how the most irrational and closeminded people against homosexuality always bring up animals. Like it is rational to go from having a relationship with another human being, straight to an animal. And wow, here it is, only a few days later and Classy comes up being the poster boy for everything she brought up.

Well, maybe someday you will see the irony, Classy. Blacks getting equal rights took acceptance, if every white person took your 'rooted tree' stance to slavery, nothing would have ever changed. Acceptance is what causes change. But here you are, showing us that you refuse to accept homosexuality. I think that is why Moonbeam even brought up parallels between the black plight and the gay plight that has been occuring for a few years now.

I will bring up 1 more thing from Ellen's show. At the end of the show, Ellen was doing a pass the mic around the audience thing (dunno why, was playing counter-strike at the same time) and a girl stood up and thanked Ellen for what she had done. She said Ellen gave her the courage to be proud of who she was and to finally live without needing to hide. She then started crying. Perhaps if you had been watching, you would finally get it through your thick skull, that is isn't just a choice someone makes one day because they are bored, it goes beyond that for a lot of them. Ask yourself, why would anyone choose to be a minority where they are attacked or discriminated against.

And classy, did you know that left handed people are also a minority? There has even been left handed discrimination. Just another fine use of the word minority which doesn't revolve around race (unless lefty is a race).</FONT>
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BooneRebel
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Instead, looking over your posts, it appears as though you're a bigot against heterosexuals.

Why would you think he is gay? Doesn't that assumption seem like an extension of the irrationality you object to yourself supposedly having?
I'm not assuming that Moonie is gay. I simply said he seems to be a bigot against heterosexuals. He may be a heterosexual and hate himself. But he continues to blather on about our 'irrational' position without providing any real argument as to why we should be considered irrational. Furthermore, I have presented several rational, logical explanations as to why I feel the way I do against gays. The only response has been namecalling and pitiful attempts to legitimize the homosexual 'lifestyle' by trying to compare it to being black, blue-eyed, etc. The fact is, homsexuality is detrimental to society, much as smoking is. In the long run you are putting your own lifespan at risk, in addition to increasing the risk of those around you. Just like any other detrimental trait, it will result in you being 'culled from the herd', leaving the strongest to survive.

There's been plenty of real arguements in this thread that you seem to be blinded to. I see no real arguement from you for why you think it's justified to compare gays to serial killers. People who are born gay is no detriment to society. The only thing you can say is that if they don't practice safe-sex or exclusive relationships they may have a higher rate of contracting AIDS. I don't see that as detriment to society. There are plenty of other people born with a higher susceptibility to other health problems.

Intolerant judgemental people like you are a great detriment to society however.

 

Moonbeam

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OK, BooneRebel, you arguments have all been clearly and adequately and thoroughly addressed by Feathers flavio and skace and earlier by me, but I know you can't see that because of your blindness. Your position looks right because it feels right. The point you can't see is that your feelings are irrational. Those of us who aren't irrational in the same way can see who you are quite clearly. Those who are similarly irrational to you cannot. I haven't tried to specifically address every aspect of your irrationality because I have focused on the overall characteristics of your illness, the inculcation, prior to the age of reason, where you can apply intelligence and analysis before buying into an opinion or belief, of an irrational attitude bias and fear. Generally you get that from your parents, teachers, and the general culture. Call it brainwashing, if you will, but it is very difficult to see because you are surrounded by it and the sickness is the norm. That is why healthy people look sick in that surrounding.

The whole belief structure of illness is sustained by sometimes elaborate rationalizations. I used the example of white supremacy as an example because it's possible to see a different example of bigotry if it's one you don't have personally. Bigotry is the mote in your eye that classy has but quotes scripture about anyway not seeing his, but seeing the similarities, having them pointed out clearly, makes it easier to see if there is any willingness at all. Naturally, usually there is not. That may require more time and other impacts. Some people just don't want to be bigots even though they are and determine to change. Since bigotry causes such immense harm in the world, that's a good idea. I'm not a bigot against heterosexuals or bigots even. I just see what it does, how it works and some of who has it. I'm a bigot, I guess, for a better world where we do something about our blindness so we don't pass it on wholesale to our kids.

You have, as I said, been answered by others here, but because you can't see your own eye I'll reflect some of your points back again just for good measure in case it helps:
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BooneRebel:

I'm not assuming that Moonie is gay. I simply said he seems to be a bigot against heterosexuals. He may be a heterosexual and hate himself. But he continues to blather on about our 'irrational' position without providing any real argument as to why we should be considered irrational. Furthermore, I have presented several rational, logical explanations as to why I feel the way I do against gays. The only response has been namecalling and pitiful attempts to legitimize the homosexual 'lifestyle' by trying to compare it to being black, blue-eyed, etc. I drew a picture of the process of bigotry and left it for you to work out your own specifics)

The fact is, homsexuality is detrimental to society, much as smoking is. In the long run you are putting your own lifespan at risk, in addition to increasing the risk of those around you. Just like any other detrimental trait, it will result in you being 'culled from the herd', leaving the strongest to survive.

(This is what we can call putting your bigotry before the horse. You believe or started from the premise that homosexuality is detrimental and then proceed to rehearse a series of examples you can see to prove that. I'm tempted to start a big classy style rebuttal of your comparison of smokers to gays, sacred gay struggle vs. fools who smoke. Oh man. Anyway, as flavio said there are huge risks to any kind of sex and many other behaviors we try therefore, by law, to confine to consenting adults. Gay and straight sex are both as dangerous or as safe as the participants wish it to be. This is not a function of orientation, but education, income, mental health, etc.

As to your last point that homosexuality will be culled leaving the strongest, lets look at that. In the first place this is a confession that you thing homosexuality is genetic. If homosexuality is an environmental factor, hormone levels in the mother produced by stress, etc. then homosexuality will not be bread out of the population.

Secondly, if it really is genetic then what kind of a bigot is it that passes moral judgment on them? Do you feel that way about people with other genetic expression. Shall we rant on about people with sickle cell anemia?

Thirdly, the notion that homosexuality, obvious in our closest relatives, the Bonobo, indicates that homosexuality has been around for a long long time. If it is genetic, it must confer some survival adaptation to humanity that perhaps has passed notice. One thing about gayness that has fascinated me is the seemingly high proportion of them who exhibit extraordinary talent, as if what ever it is about being gay, maybe just the prejudice itself, causes gays to excel in many professions. Since we are and have been a social animal for millions of years perhaps the genetic material for homosexuality is transmitted by the brothers and sisters of gays who survive better in a competitive world due to the exceptional and unburdened (by children) skills of these brothers and sisters. A swish sitting around the campfire with his sisters decorating baskets is going to be a lot harder to take down in a raid or something than his sisters alone, especially if he's Neanderswish.

 

BooneRebel

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Well, just don't have an intelligent response do you?
Yes, I do. But I've decided it's not worth it. Several intelligent responses have already been given and answered with the rant "Irrational, irrational, irrational!". I'm tired of trying to debate when the other side won't present a rational response. So far the response I've been able to determine is that "We need an explicitly gay comic hero because gays are just as normal as blacks or monkeys." That doesn't strike me as worth further discussion. Present a decent argument and I'll continue the debate with you...

 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BooneRebel
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Well, just don't have an intelligent response do you?
Yes, I do. But I've decided it's not worth it. Several intelligent responses have already been given and answered with the rant "Irrational, irrational, irrational!". I'm tired of trying to debate when the other side won't present a rational response. So far the response I've been able to determine is that "We need an explicitly gay comic hero because gays are just as normal as blacks or monkeys." That doesn't strike me as worth further discussion. Present a decent argument and I'll continue the debate with you...


I, Moonbeam, and others have pretty much addressed everything you said point-by-point with logic and reason. I have not seen this "Irrational, irrational, irrational!" that you speak of. Each of your points has been addressed and if you can show me one that hasn't I would be glad to take it up.

What I see from you is a lack of intelligent response to our points. You say..
So far the response I've been able to determine is that "We need an explicitly gay comic hero because gays are just as normal as blacks or monkeys."

..while I haven't seen much discussion on monkeys. The answer why would need the comic book hero would be best answered by the publisher with the question "Is there enough demand?".

I think you're just shutting down because of your hopelessly undefendable stance in this debate. While you can't justify your hatred you would like to keep it "just because".
 

Moonbeam

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While you claim that several intelligent reasons were given, BooneRebel, that is factually incorrect. You have tried to claim that homosexuality is essentially 'bad' because you feel it is and that feeling creates your rationalizations. That is why I call you irrational. I could call you superstitious just as easily. You offer anecdotal evidence of disease, non reproduction, genetic inferiority, etc as excuses for your positions because you latch on to anything that seems to support your position. But when we examine those reasons they fall apart as scientifically inaccurate, logically absurd and anecdotal, etc. Basically, I'm sorry to say, you are ignorant, but your ignorance is of a particularly pernicious kind. You are a bigot seeking self-justification. The fact that gays get germs is a truism widely applicable to heterosexuals, that the don't have children is meaningless as an excuse for prejudice. Many people have sex who are infertile. And so on.

So just lay out your arguments why we should all dislike or reject gays for us in all their blazing glory and somebody here will show you just how phony they are. Knock yourself out.
 

BooneRebel

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
While you claim that several intelligent reasons were given, BooneRebel, that is factually incorrect. You have tried to claim that homosexuality is essentially 'bad' because you feel it is and that feeling creates your rationalizations. That is why I call you irrational. I could call you superstitious just as easily. You offer anecdotal evidence of disease, non reproduction, genetic inferiority, etc as excuses for your positions because you latch on to anything that seems to support your position. But when we examine those reasons they fall apart as scientifically inaccurate, logically absurd and anecdotal, etc. Basically, I'm sorry to say, you are ignorant, but your ignorance is of a particularly pernicious kind. You are a bigot seeking self-justification. The fact that gays get germs is a truism widely applicable to heterosexuals, that the don't have children is meaningless as an excuse for prejudice. Many people have sex who are infertile. And so on.

So just lay out your arguments why we should all dislike or reject gays for us in all their blazing glory and somebody here will show you just how phony they are. Knock yourself out.
How can you say that infertility of homosexuals is an anecdote? This isn't a story that is passed around the campfire just for grins. Can you name a single example of a birth as a result of a homosexual copulation?

How about these for evidence of disease?
Studies at 26 sexually transmitted disease clinics across the country show that the proportion of male gonorrhea victims who are gay increased 74% between 1993 and 1996, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

In the last two and a half years more than 2000 cases AIDS have been reported from all over the United States and other Western countries. Of all cases reported 71% were reported in young male homosexuals. In addition AIDS has been reported in women who were sexual partners of men with AIDS.
I fail to understand how you can bury your head in the sand and refute the facts. My statement that homosexuality is unhealthy doesn't make me a bigot, but your position that homosexuality is healthy does prove that you are ignoring the facts.

 
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