Why do we want to import more poverty in the US when we have enough already?

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blackangst1

Lifer
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Right now, like most of trumps policies, things are being changed by excuse order. No need to pass laws when changes can be implemented on the down low.

OK...which exec order has changed what used to be legal into illegal?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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The law hasn't been changed, just its implementation to fuck over the Dreamers & Salvadoran refugees here since 2001. And that's just for starters.

Which implementation has turned what was once legal into illegal?
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Those Americans once had strong work ethics and middle class paying jobs. But then we outsourced all of their jobs without a plan to retrain them, while simultaneously importing a huge wave of undocumented slave labor willing to work below minimum wage without any of the labor protections the middle class fought so hard to attain.

So yes, 40 years later, the American middle class is angry and that is how you get a candidate like Trump.
I see you conveniently ignored the elephant in the room aka Republicans empowering the wealthy to become even wealthier at the expense of your so called middle class.

But sure, lets blame the mexican fruit pickers instead.

Dumb.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I see you conveniently ignored the elephant in the room aka Republicans empowering the wealthy to become even wealthier at the expense of your so called middle class.

But sure, lets blame the mexican fruit pickers instead.

Dumb.

You know wealth isnt finite. Right? You libs always portray this issue as the rich almost literally taking money away from the middle class. It doesnt work that way.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Trump is also having the army discharge illegal immigrants serving to gain their legal status. What an asshole. Forty have been discharged so far.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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I see you conveniently ignored the elephant in the room aka Republicans empowering the wealthy to become even wealthier at the expense of your so called middle class.

But sure, lets blame the mexican fruit pickers instead.

Dumb.
And what have the Democrats done to keep the wealthy in check, more precisely their Wall Street buddies?

Let’s placate the middle class by providing an infinite supply of slave labor to maintain their lawns and clean their houses and supply cheap avocados to Whole Foods and Trader Joes while we continue to let our Wall Street buddies rape them.

Dumber
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Did we run out of poor people who struggle to survive? Why do we want to open the floodgates and bring in millions more who will not be able to find stable good paying jobs with benefits?

What exactly is the gameplan? I have not heard anyone explain why we want to increase our population in this country when our economy cannot support a big influx of people.

You have college grads flipping burgers and making coffee because they cannot find good jobs, you have homeless camps in several of our large cities already.

Maybe start with fixing the problems affecting American citizens first before importing the rest of the world problem?

Maybe ask the Chinese.

Or the Irish.

Or the Italians.


Or the Germans.

or the Lithuanians.

Or the Swedes.

etc, etc.

You know, it's not just that you sound stupid, it's that you think that you sound any different from the previous decades of ignorant morons that made the same argument, again and again and again, as if they, too, were somehow uniquely profound in the long pantheon of obvious and tired American WASP bigotry that has trumpeted the exact same fallacious argument.
 

Vic

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The law hasn't been changed, just its implementation to fuck over the Dreamers & Salvadoran refugees here since 2001. And that's just for starters.
I guess I should have said 'policies' instead of 'laws,' but then I would have denied some inane twit something to quibble about in order to obtusely miss the point. And we can't have that, now can we?
 
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Jhhnn

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And what have the Democrats done to keep the wealthy in check, more precisely their Wall Street buddies?

Tedious bothsiderism. We sure as Hell didn't cut their taxes. And we're sure as Hell not in favor of much in the way of deregulating their activities, either.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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I guess I should have said 'policies' instead of 'laws,' but then I would have denied some inane twit something to quibble about in order to obtusely miss the point. And we can't have that, now can we?

I just tried to cut off the quibblers.
 

Vic

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Most? Well, not really.



Wait, what? Ive never heard a conservative talk of wealth that way. I ve heard many liberals or progressives refer to wealth this way though. I think you got it backwards.

Funny then that literally every argument made by conservatives for the past several decades in order to defend their anti-immigration policies, including the OP's, relies on exactly the zerosum view of economics that I described. If immigrants are stealing Americans' jobs, as anti-immigration conservatives argue, then the number of jobs must be fixed, right? If immigrants are stealing Americans' wealth, as the OP argues, then the amount of American wealth must be somehow fixed as well, right? Or at the very least, the conservatives are arguing that immigrants cannot add to American jobs and wealth, which is effectively the same thing.
I don't have anything backwards, you just believe that your little black and white fantasy worldview is actually real, so you judge people and ideas by their partisan labels, and not by what they actually say and do.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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OK...which exec order has changed what used to be legal into illegal?

Are you fucking kidding or have you been in a coma for a month?

Here is a list of executive orders that deal with immigration (feel free to ignore the commentary as it isn't germane to the discussion).

http://cmsny.org/trumps-executive-orders-immigration-refugees/

So far in this discussion you have been proven wrong time and time again. You are the uglycassanova of immigration, that is, your ignorance of the subject and your unwillingness to even fact check your own statements leads one to believe you are concerned trolling.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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And what have the Democrats done to keep the wealthy in check, more precisely their Wall Street buddies?

Let’s placate the middle class by providing an infinite supply of slave labor to maintain their lawns and clean their houses and supply cheap avocados to Whole Foods and Trader Joes while we continue to let our Wall Street buddies rape them.

Dumber

Dumber? No, you are the dumbest.

One has to be particularly stupid, that is woefully ignorant, to post on a political forum as long as you have and not me aware of Dodd/frank legislation, the creation of the CFPB, passed by Democrats and the enormous fines collected by the Obama admin.

That's also ignoring the fact that every dem senator and only 14 Republicans voted for immigration reform in 2013, that addressed businesses, among other things, and their ability to hire illegals.

I'm just curious when you became so incredibly stupid?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Trump is also having the army discharge illegal immigrants serving to gain their legal status. What an asshole. Forty have been discharged so far.

From the article: To be eligible for MANVI, a recruit has to be in the country legally, but is generally not a permanent resident. Even the text of the original MAVNI enacted by Bush states they must be here legally.

I dont disagree. I dont have an issue with legal immigrants serving, but illegal? No. Is there any other country that allow an illegal immigrant to serve in the military? Why should we?
Funny then that literally every argument made by conservatives for the past several decades in order to defend their anti-immigration policies, including the OP's, relies on exactly the zerosum view of economics that I described. If immigrants are stealing Americans' jobs, as anti-immigration conservatives argue, then the number of jobs must be fixed, right? If immigrants are stealing Americans' wealth, as the OP argues, then the amount of American wealth must be somehow fixed as well, right? Or at the very least, the conservatives are arguing that immigrants cannot add to American jobs and wealth, which is effectively the same thing.
I don't have anything backwards, you just believe that your little black and white fantasy worldview is actually real, so you judge people and ideas by their partisan labels, and not by what they actually say and do.

Im not sure what you think my "white fantasay world" is, but from this post I can tell its nowhere near reality. Also, the fact you cant distinguish between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant makes your post pretty irrelevant.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Are you fucking kidding or have you been in a coma for a month?

Here is a list of executive orders that deal with immigration (feel free to ignore the commentary as it isn't germane to the discussion).

http://cmsny.org/trumps-executive-orders-immigration-refugees/

So far in this discussion you have been proven wrong time and time again. You are the uglycassanova of immigration, that is, your ignorance of the subject and your unwillingness to even fact check your own statements leads one to believe you are concerned trolling.

Do you read at a 1st grade level or do you have the comprehension of a fucking rock? I think you need to re-read what I saod because what I DIDNT say is Trump hasnt enacted any immigration policies or exec decisions.

Moron.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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And what have the Democrats done to keep the wealthy in check, more precisely their Wall Street buddies?

Let’s placate the middle class by providing an infinite supply of slave labor to maintain their lawns and clean their houses and supply cheap avocados to Whole Foods and Trader Joes while we continue to let our Wall Street buddies rape them.

Dumber

Well, nothing. They *say* alot of things, like the Republicans, and just like the Republicans, its all talk and no action. It typically has been the GOP has been the part of the rich, but that pendulum has swung to the Democrats in the last 5 or 6 years. BOTH parties cater to the wealthy, fairly equally. Except for tax law. The GOP generally favors the wealthy moreso than the Democrats.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Do you read at a 1st grade level or do you have the comprehension of a fucking rock? I think you need to re-read what I saod because what I DIDNT say is Trump hasnt enacted any immigration policies or exec decisions.

Moron.

Listen you stupid fuck. I didn't claim you said trump didn't enact any policies. I claimed you were stupid for not knowing about the policies and executive orders he has enacted (despite the fact that we've had multiple threads on it).

Reading comprehension, get some!
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Well, nothing. They *say* alot of things, like the Republicans, and just like the Republicans, its all talk and no action. It typically has been the GOP has been the part of the rich, but that pendulum has swung to the Democrats in the last 5 or 6 years. BOTH parties cater to the wealthy, fairly equally. Except for tax law. The GOP generally favors the wealthy moreso than the Democrats.

Another thoughtless post by you. Contributions from any particular group doesn't denote that a particular politician is beholden to those donors as you are implying. What a smart person would do is to look at the actions of the donors that receive donations and what those policies tell us.

You are an intellectually lazy twat.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Listen you stupid fuck. I didn't claim you said trump didn't enact any policies. I claimed you were stupid for not know about the policies and executive orders he has enacted (despite the fact that we've had multiple threats on it).

Reading comprehension, get some!

Listen you stupid fuck. I specifically asked, what laws or executive orders has the current administration enacted wrt immigration that makes something illegal that was once legal. Your tiny head is spinning so fast all you can is regurgitate shit.

Answer the question.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Another thoughtless post by you. Contributions from any particular group doesn't denote that a particular politician is beholden to those donors as you are implying. What a smart person would do is to look at the actions of the donors that receive donations and what those policies tell us.

You are an intellectually lazy twat.

LMFAO. Christ on a crutch youre a true idiot that has no idea how our government works.

Poor thing.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Listen you stupid fuck. I specifically asked, what laws or executive orders has the current administration enacted wrt immigration that makes something illegal that was once legal. Your tiny head is spinning so fast all you can is regurgitate shit.

Answer the question.

Lol! Someone help this stupid fuck out. All I can do is provide a link, I can't rub his dumb ass face in it.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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LMFAO. Christ on a crutch youre a true idiot that has no idea how our government works.

Poor thing.

Shit, you get dumber by the post!

So now you are telling me that political donations means that the receiver has to enact policies that are favorable to the donor? So donations to politicians couldn't mean that the donors support that particular politicians policies?

Just stop, you are completely embarrassing yourself.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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You know wealth isnt finite. Right? You libs always portray this issue as the rich almost literally taking money away from the middle class. It doesnt work that way.

The data pretty clearly shows it does work that way, actually. Wealth isn’t finite, true, but I’m not aware of a single analysis that says the rich capturing an ever-increasing percentage of the nation’s income has led to higher wages for the middle class than would have been achieved had the income distribution stayed the same as it was in the early to mid 1970s. If you have data to the contrary I would be interested to see it.
 
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