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umbrella39

Lifer
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Holy shit how the quality of conservative posters here has gone down the shit hole and has been replaced with one or two sock puppets that run 10+ accounts here and the few old timers that have stuck around. You daft twats arent even trying any more and should be ashamed of your blind loyalty to party. You clearly hate liberals and America so much you are high fiving as it slowly burns to the ground so you can svore some gotcha points. You will be stopped.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Listen you stupid fuck. I specifically asked, what laws or executive orders has the current administration enacted wrt immigration that makes something illegal that was once legal. Your tiny head is spinning so fast all you can is regurgitate shit.

Answer the question.

You know as well as we do that while the letter of the law hasn’t changed the practical effects of it have changed big time.

Imagine if you’re a nonviolent illegal immigrant who is deported because ICE no longer focuses on violent criminals. Even worse, imagine if someone you know is killed by a violent undocumented immigrant because ICE no longer prioritizes their deportation and instead is going after families. Do you still think the law is the same?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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You know as well as we do that while the letter of the law hasn’t changed the practical effects of it have changed big time.

Imagine if you’re a nonviolent illegal immigrant who is deported because ICE no longer focuses on violent criminals. Even worse, imagine if someone you know is killed by a violent undocumented immigrant because ICE no longer prioritizes their deportation and instead is going after families. Do you still think the law is the same?

He doesn't believe it unless you can point to the exact executive order. Well actually he still doesn't believe because when I pointed to the exact executive orders he pretended I never did that.

We are dealing with a concerned troll.
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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The data pretty clearly shows it does work that way, actually. Wealth isn’t finite, true, but I’m not aware of a single analysis that says the rich capturing an ever-increasing percentage of the nation’s income has led to higher wages for the middle class than would have been achieved had the income distribution stayed the same as it was in the early to mid 1970s. If you have data to the contrary I would be interested to see it.

No no no I didnt mean that. Let me give a brutally simple example. Lets say a tax law was passed that said any certain kind of investment account is only taxable up to 10M, then tax free after that...no money is TAKEN from the middle class to pay for that. Money doesnt move from the middle class to the wealthy. Sure, the middle class or top 5% wont benefit, but that doesnt mean money is taken out their pot.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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You know as well as we do that while the letter of the law hasn’t changed the practical effects of it have changed big time.

Imagine if you’re a nonviolent illegal immigrant who is deported because ICE no longer focuses on violent criminals. Even worse, imagine if someone you know is killed by a violent undocumented immigrant because ICE no longer prioritizes their deportation and instead is going after families. Do you still think the law is the same?

Yes, and that was my point. Take the stupid ass "policy change" that Trump enacted to separate kids from their families. No laws were changed to do that, and Obama could have done that under current law. But the point is, no law was changed to do that.

He doesn't believe it unless you can point to the exact executive order. Well actually he still doesn't believe because when I pointed to the exact executive orders he pretended I never did that.

We are dealing with a concerned troll.

Why dont you just fuck off? I dont mind chatting with those of different views, but when dumbasses like you just provoke and attack and assume things, why bother? Wont matter what I say. Use fskimospy as an example. He and I disagree on many things and agree on a few. But he doesnt reply like a roid raged redneck, so we can actually have a conversation. Why you so mad, man?

Just put me on ignore or something.
 
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shortylickens

No Lifer
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If there are college grads working at McDonalds, theyve got to be lazy. We are in a huge labor shortage right now. I know in my industry, I could have my pick of almost anywhere in the country for a well paying job.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...-point/ar-AAzCPO1?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=mailsignout

I have applied for a hundred jobs since I lost my last one and moved in with mom.
No one hired.
Now, I can understand why they wouldn't hire me AFTER I got a misdemeanor, but not before.

I dont think you actually know what its like for the rest of us. You are just assuming because things are good for YOU that things must be good all over. Which is classic ignorant white male Republican thinking.
 

greatnoob

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Jan 6, 2014
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@blackangst1 was the same retard who couldn’t understand how a tax cut would lead to cut in social services, and who also said he didn’t believe in trickle down economics but believed the tax cuts were required (gave no answer when asked to explain why). This is the same retard who made the healthcare thread, back flipped on his position and then without any evidence suggested Republicans were equally as likely as the Dems to be enacting single payer healthcare (fucking lol).

If nobody has realised it: this guy is a buffoon of the highest order. He doesn’t even have a simple grasp of elementary level economics to be able to debate his position. Hell, this idiot literally just posted this hilarious piece:

Lets say a tax lawwas passed that said any certain kind ofinvestment account is only taxable up to 10M, then tax free after that...no money is TAKENfrom the middle class to pay for that. Moneydoesnt move from the middle class to thewealthy. Sure, the middle class or top 5%wont benefit, but that doesnt mean money istaken out their pot.

It’s almost as if he doesn’t understand the purpose of tax, why tax needs to be paid, how the deficit is paid off and why this would result in increased tax on the middle class. But as long as they’re not physically stealing money from the middle class @blackangst1 thinks all is fine. Don’t need to worry about inflationary pressure, deficit spending and as a result the inevitable tax increases the middle class will be burdened with. Because conservatards like him simply don’t understand their nonsensical parroted talking points besides what FOX has told them. This is your typical conservative. Uneducated, arrogant and stupid, the same people who want to cut funding to schools, healthcare and research so there are more malleable useful idiots like him to spread their misinformed opinions and to vote R(etards) in.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I have applied for a hundred jobs since I lost my last one and moved in with mom.
No one hired.
Now, I can understand why they wouldn't hire me AFTER I got a misdemeanor, but not before.

I dont think you actually know what its like for the rest of us. You are just assuming because things are good for YOU that things must be good all over. Which is classic ignorant white male Republican thinking.

Oh please. Remember 2002-2004 tech bubble crash? Yeah. Me with 3 layoffs in 2 years with no job for 18 months does. Stop painting me in a fucking corner when you dont have a clue.

And GL with your job search :beer:
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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I would like to address all of your idiocy.

@blackangst1 was the same retard who couldn’t understand how a tax cut would lead to cut in social services, and who also said he didn’t believe in trickle down economics but believed the tax cuts were required (gave no answer when asked to explain why).

Which thread was this?

This is the same retard who made the healthcare thread, back flipped on his position and then without any evidence suggested Republicans were equally as likely as the Dems to be enacting single payer healthcare (fucking lol).

I didnt backflip AT ALL. I presented pros and cons to each side. I was opening the topic up for discussion. Please show otherwise.

If nobody has realised it: this guy is a buffoon of the highest order. He doesn’t even have a simple grasp of elementary level economics to be able to debate his position. Hell, this idiot literally just posted this hilarious piece:

And you are a frothing rabid dog who either doesnt really know how to read, cant comprehend, or just an asshat who creates summations that arent supported. Im voting the third option.

It’s almost as if he doesn’t understand the purpose of tax, why tax needs to be paid, how the deficit is paid off and why this would result in increased tax on the middle class. But as long as they’re not physically stealing money from the middle class @blackangst1 thinks all is fine. Don’t need to worry about inflationary pressure, deficit spending and as a result the inevitable tax increases the middle class will be burdened with. Because conservatards like him simply don’t understand their nonsensical parroted talking points besides what FOX has told them. This is your typical conservative. Uneducated, arrogant and stupid, the same people who want to cut funding to schools, healthcare and research so there are more malleable useful idiots like him to spread their misinformed opinions and to vote R(etards) in.

Again, please show your work. And I suppose it would surprise you Im not a Republican, and I typically vote 40% D.

Oh and Fox. Makes up...maybe 10% of my news sources.

I mean, not that you really care, because I know you dont. You arent smart enough to be able to change your views. Youre as fucking hypnotized by your crazy ass left heroes as many far right wackos are.

But fuckin A. Keep that lie-train rolling!
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Oh please. Remember 2002-2004 tech bubble crash? Yeah. Me with 3 layoffs in 2 years with no job for 18 months does. Stop painting me in a fucking corner when you dont have a clue.

And GL with your job search :beer:

thanks for proving my point.
 

greatnoob

Senior member
Jan 6, 2014
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I would like to address all of your idiocy.



Which thread was this?

By all means do. You'll soon enough find out who the true idiot is (hint: the guy who doesn't understand taxation). It was the thread where you backflipped on your regurgitated FOX talking point about the tax bill from last year, and every single member here absolutely decimated you your (as you called it yourself) idiocy.

I urge everybody here to take a trip down memory lane and remember how truly uneducated this moron is:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...complished-massive-tax-reform.2519945/page-61

By Page 68 you just pumped out so much of the misinformed crap that you bright-as-day showed us that you really didn't understand the point you were arguing for (barring of course your constant flip-flopping, which was also hilarious).

I didnt backflip AT ALL. I presented pros and cons to each side. I was opening the topic up for discussion. Please show otherwise.

Mhm.. sure buddy. I'm sure you thought you were 'winning' this discussion too. Refer to thread above in case you had any doubts of your laziness.


And you are a frothing rabid dog who either doesnt really know how to read, cant comprehend, or just an asshat who creates summations that arent supported. Im voting the third option.

Hey buddy, don't project too hard.. it's plainly obvious to us that you don't understand what you're arguing. In the thread above you showed us all how truly clueless you were. This was my favourite quote, where you said you didn't believe in trickledown economics or cutting social services.... but hilariously, throughout the entire thread - despite how many times your numerous misinformed opinions were corrected - you still defended the tax cuts that, surprise, benefited the rich:

You don't grasp the conservative (not GOP) views on taxation unless you're willing to admit govt spending is far beyond what it should be. Now, I know you think the govt should be all things to all people (unless they're wealthy) but I disagree. See my sig regarding redistributing.

And no I don't believe in trickle down economics. That's been proven bunk as you know. But you say "obviously" that must be what I think because you're stuck in progressive thinking and you apparently can't think beyond that.

And when you (unsurprisingly) backtracked on your proposition. Here's one I enjoyed, where you (like a clueless moron) believed the tax cuts should be passed without any reduction in spending (despite us telling you multiple times that Paul Ryan was looking to cut SS and Medicare for this tax cut) before you backflipped only a few posts later:

You, along with other progressive type posters, are so narrow minded you couldnt comprehend that reducing federal spending IS a possibility. You, like most of Congress both Democrat and Republican, always have to come up with ways to cover losses. Predictable, the lefts answer is ALWAYS "get it from the rich they have enough already". Very predictable. How about reduce spending? Its not a difficult thing to look at.


I just explained to you the real value of this tax cut is meagre pennies for the middle class in the short run and an actual tax increase in the long run, add to that the fact that morons like you supporting this tax bill have proposed cutting vital services (have you figured out what will be getting cut yet or do you need to be spoon fed that too? Go ask your buddy Paul Ryan) that said group use and you realise this doesn't benefit them at all no matter how you spin it. Are you really going to say any rational person would be happy getting screwed over like this?

First, since when are services being cut? Second, when have I ever...EVER...supported that?
Selective memory, lacking reading comprehension skills or just plain stupid? All three, I say.


Also when you compared the federal budget to your own household's. This was an absolute classic!

I don't want to oversimplify things, but cutting is always hard. Those like me who have had personal experience in their own house know this, but cutting is hard. There are many retraining programs available (changing with the times etc) and getting federal spending under control will take a national effort. In the case of the military, there are soooo many "black book" operations that can be cut.

You should absolutely give the thread a read. Maybe then you'd understand why I and others on this forum think you're stupid and uninformed.

Again, please show your work. And I suppose it would surprise you Im not a Republican, and I typically vote 40% D.

That figure is 99.86% bullshit. Everybody on these forums can see past this trick. Do you really think you were the first to try this "I'm not a Trumptard but.." schtick? Lol.

Oh and Fox. Makes up...maybe 10% of my news sources.

Just... wow... I said conservatives were uneducated and stupid and you have gone out of your way to prove my point for me.

I mean, not that you really care, because I know you dont. You arent smart enough to be able to change your views. Youre as fucking hypnotized by your crazy ass left heroes as many far right wackos are.

But fuckin A. Keep that lie-train rolling!

Feel free to weasel out of this. You're a plain stupid conservative and I want to make sure everybody gets to see the same mental gymnastics from the thread above played here. Anyways, I gave you an answer to your laughably stupid question. If you still need help understanding it please tell me, so we don't have to have suffer a brain aneurysm reading something as stupid as this.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Yes, and that was my point. Take the stupid ass "policy change" that Trump enacted to separate kids from their families. No laws were changed to do that, and Obama could have done that under current law. But the point is, no law was changed to do that.



Why dont you just fuck off? I dont mind chatting with those of different views, but when dumbasses like you just provoke and attack and assume things, why bother? Wont matter what I say. Use fskimospy as an example. He and I disagree on many things and agree on a few. But he doesnt reply like a roid raged redneck, so we can actually have a conversation. Why you so mad, man?

Just put me on ignore or something.

What's wrong little bitch? Do you need a safe space?

Eskimospy has a lot of patience, no one here would deny that. But you interested in conversation? Don't make me laugh! You asked for executive orders and I supplied them to you and you didn't even bother reading them or responding to them, instead you attacked. Not a big deal to me though, I already knew what you were about from the get go. Your MO is old and tired and has been tried dozens of times on this forum (see uglycassanova for the latest example).

So no, I won't fuck off, I'll be right here calling you out on your bullshit, like everyone else here does, until you go back under the rock you came from.
 

1sikbITCH

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Yea, so why does Trump make immigration an issue and want to end the cheap labor supply? Especially when he uses it extensively himself to make more money and not have to pay American workers a fair wage?

Because Donald Trump does not live in the same world as you or I. We're just a video game to him.
 

1sikbITCH

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Jan 3, 2001
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I love most of your post BTW

Are you the rare, and almost never seen conservative with a brain?

But one part I can really not agree with you:

We're lazy as shit too, wanting breaks and 40 hour weeks, etc.

Are you just being facetiousness here? Because I often hear this nonsense, Americans are lazy, when we are working more hours then pretty much everyone else in the 1st world.

A lot of jobs here don't even start with vacation, earning 2 weeks after a couple years and often only having 2 weeks vacation for many more years. To say nothing of sick leave or anything else.

Meanwhile, any friend I have (mostly internet friends, true) across Europe, Australia, NZ, Canada think we work WAY TOO hard. Most Europeans, especially, have 6 weeks or more vacation and other benefits that we could only dream of having. While also having more breaks, and generally just working fewer hours then we do.

I am a liberal. When I started my post with "I'm a red white and blue American" you probably thought I was a trumpet but no. Liberals can be Americans too. We need to make folks remember that.
 
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blackangst1

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snippity snip

Ah yes the thread where the lie of 83% of the tax cuts go to the top. I remember. LOL

You say noone should take what I say seriously when youre the one who said, and I quote, "you are a dumb & cowardly immigrant" to another poster.

So damn accepting.

meh
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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What's wrong little bitch? Do you need a safe space?

Eskimospy has a lot of patience, no one here would deny that. But you interested in conversation? Don't make me laugh! You asked for executive orders and I supplied them to you and you didn't even bother reading them or responding to them, instead you attacked. Not a big deal to me though, I already knew what you were about from the get go. Your MO is old and tired and has been tried dozens of times on this forum (see uglycassanova for the latest example).

So no, I won't fuck off, I'll be right here calling you out on your bullshit, like everyone else here does, until you go back under the rock you came from.

And your MO of name calling and shallow points are the MO of this forum as well/

Go ahead and call me out I look forward to it!
 

greatnoob

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Ah yes the thread where the lie of 83% of the tax cuts go to the top. I remember. LOL

You say noone should take what I say seriously when youre the one who said, and I quote, "you are a dumb & cowardly immigrant" to another poster.

So damn accepting.

meh

Nice deflection but not related to the points made. You can't dismiss your stupidity and how uniformed you are just because a supposed "lie" (citation needed) somebody may have posted in that thread. In fact, if that were the case, we can brush away everything you say as a lie based solely on your posts in that thread. Also care to tell us how me calling another poster a coward is related to this? I'm guessing this is your fallback when you have nothing else to say or defend yourself with.

You didn't bother to respond to my post, so I'll take it that you concede on the points I've made.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Lol @blackangst1 dude you have lied about the contents of two sources you have cited in the last 48 hours. You are either dishonest as fuck or dumb as a rock.

Personally I am leaning to dumb as a rock which is slightly more redeeming. That means with time and effort you might be able to improve.
 

Vic

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From the article: To be eligible for MANVI, a recruit has to be in the country legally, but is generally not a permanent resident. Even the text of the original MAVNI enacted by Bush states they must be here legally.

I dont disagree. I dont have an issue with legal immigrants serving, but illegal? No. Is there any other country that allow an illegal immigrant to serve in the military? Why should we?


Im not sure what you think my "white fantasay world" is, but from this post I can tell its nowhere near reality. Also, the fact you cant distinguish between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant makes your post pretty irrelevant.

I said "black and white fantasy world." And obviously I can understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration after I brought up how this administration is changing policy to make previously legal immigrants into illegal immigrants. Which was then proven by another poster
 
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