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OverVolt

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Even on the BLS you can see that men put in more hours at work which will lead to being more visible by management and such.

I know OP.
 

OverVolt

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Your great aunt at least has the excuse that she's old but I don't know what yours is.

Would you be happy if your employer paid men less because they're more likely to get into a physical confrontation with colleagues?

Men and women are often paid the same but women work fewer hours. Please go visit the BLS.

Men particularly of baby boomer and older age do pull more per hour for the same job title, but growing up as a baby boomer meant that women were much less likely to get a degree. I had a really old woman anatomy teacher and she said she became a nurse to get the science classes required to work in a lab, as thats just how it was done back then, which paid good money in the 70's and 80's. So in the older cohort, women are probably less educated to this day, even with the same job title. Conspiracy to pay men more not found.
 
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Veliko

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Men and women are often paid the same but women work fewer hours. Please go visit the BLS.

Man particularly of baby boomer and older age do pull more per hour for the same job title, but growing up as a baby boomer meant that women were much less likely to get a degree. I had a really old woman anatomy teacher and she said she became a nurse to get the science classes required to work in a lab, as thats just how it was done back then, which paid good money in the 70's and 80's. So in the older cohort, women are probably less educated to this day, even with the same job title. Conspiracy to pay men more not found.

A justification that he and his aunt used to pay women less was that women are more likely to take time off sick.

Men are more likely to get into physical confrontations than women, so would you think it's justified if employers decided to use that reasoning to pay men less?
 
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To make a lot of money often involve taking risks (the big difference between the successful, and everyone else). Historically, men are much more the risk takers than women, and are more likely to take preemptive action for their own benefit. Employers know this, so men are typically paid more to reduce the chances of good employees up and leaving.

Most women, seek stability, and so are unlikely to leave a job (and subsequently, people) they're used to. As the employer sees (most) women as less likely to leave, said employer doesn't need to pay as much to ensure they don't up and leave for better opportunity.

While there are definitely exceptions in both genders (in personality, and the pay to reflect it), I agree with the OP.

With this rationale in mind, I theorize pure-sexism has a relatively small role in the pay gap.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head for what I'm going for.

My wife and her friends bought a Keurig machine to have in their office to share amongst the few of them... That is STABILITY. That is "I don't want to go anywhere, that requires moving... ewwww.... and finding a new bff....and dusting off my resume....and applying to jobs..."
 
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Slew Foot

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"I don't want to go anywhere, that requires moving... ewwww.... and finding a new bff....and dusting off my resume....and applying to jobs..."


That sounds like every woman I interview. They want to work one easy, comfortable job forever, and are less likely to jump around and take risks to try and climb the ladder
 

OverVolt

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A justification that he and his aunt used to pay women less was that women are more likely to take time off sick.

Men are more likely to get into physical confrontations than women, so would you think it's justified if employers decided to use that reasoning to pay men less?

Guess thats offset by being more educated if you're older or spending more hours at work if you're younger.

Its great how on one hand people will be all pro-corporations. If they want to work you 100 hours as a salaried employee whose to complain? If you can't find another job that just must be what you're worth to the company. Its about making money for the shareholders and nothing else.

Then you turn around and talk about maternity leave, or taking more PTO to take care of the kids and its like ohhh totally different story now! The company has a responsibility to make everyone happy. You can't treat men and women differently even though one is clearly cheaper than the other, thats not equal or fair. Wait, where was that sentiment when they put your nose to the grindstone or lay you off, what was fair about that exactly? Clearly popular opinion is just whatever bullshit of the day sticks to the wall.
 

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As a male attorney, the female co-workers I've worked with (other attorneys/accountants/professionals, but excluding administrative/HR/PR which is another story) have generally been smarter and quicker to grasp things than their male counterparts. The men who work longer hours generally take longer to do the same complexity type of work. The women may not work as much overtime but their work product is as good or better.

I agree with the premise that women as a whole get paid less because they work less hours generally and consequently look for positions that allow them to work such schedules. I am the same way and see work as a means to an end rather than an end in itself, and don't see salary level as the ultimate measure of success. I don't work overtime unless needed, but I am very efficient when it comes to working time and get the same results or better than many of my colleagues (and received an employee of the year award recently).

The pay gap is largely attributable to compensation based on billable time in the private sector, but I think that paradigm is going to change as the legal profession goes through the ringer and efficiency is going to be rewarded more by clients than hours worked.
 
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Engineer

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That sounds like every woman I interview. They want to work one easy, comfortable job forever, and are less likely to jump around and take risks to try and climb the ladder

I must be a woman then because, right now, that sound absolutely fantastic!
 

Texashiker

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Conservatards gonna 'tard.

As much as I try, I find it extremely difficult to like you because of those exact statements.

Why do women get paid less than men?

They are unlikely to apply for dangerous jobs. The fact is men work dangerous jobs in much greater numbers than women.

Young women are likely to take off to have children, and companies do not want to deal with women taking off.

So DominionSeraph, when was the last time you worked construction, welding, machinist, mining,,, or some other dangerous job?

The last time I worked in a welding shop was 9 years ago; there was not a single woman working in the whole shop. Not a single female welder, not a single female boilermaker, nor a single female machinist.
 
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As much as I try, I find it extremely difficult to life you because of those exact statements.

Why do women get paid less than men?

They are unlikely to apply for dangerous jobs. The fact is men work dangerous jobs in much greater numbers than women.

Young women are likely to take off to have children, and companies do not want to deal with women taking off.

So DominionSeraph, when was the last time you worked construction, welding, machinist, mining,,, or some other dangerous job?

The last time I worked in a welding shop was 9 years ago; there was not a single woman working in the whole shop. Not a single female welder, not a single female boilermaker, nor a single female machinist.

Sometimes it seems that you lead a remarkably sheltered life...

Welding, machinist and mining












 

alcoholbob

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Men dont quit when they get married. This is hard to quantify or measure.

It's harder to measure than it was in past. Back in the 70s academics used a measure called "women, never married" and it showed those women tended to earn about 3-8% more than men of the same description.

It's hard now to find a category because the illegitimacy rate has exploded from below 10% (and closer 2-3% for whites) to a plurality of children now born out of wedlock.
 
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alcoholbob

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I must be a woman then because, right now, that sound absolutely fantastic!

Yeah but is that your lifestyle? I'd love to sit and play video games all day and paid by twitch subscribers but for the vast majority of streamers its just not a life-supporting income. Wanting something and actually living that lifestyle are two different things ya know
 
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Victorian Grey is obviously not a fan of statistical analysis, and would rather make blanket statements like "A woman has worked in the welding industry, therefore, all women work equally in welding."

This is why people are failing logical reasoning.
This is why people are failing in Math.
This is why we need more STEM majors.
 

Engineer

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Yeah but is that your lifestyle? I'd love to sit and play video games all day and paid by twitch subscribers but for the vast majority of streamers its just not a life-supporting income. Wanting something and actually living that lifestyle are two different things ya know

The older and closer to retirement I get, I would say yea...that's my lifestyle! :biggrin:
 
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Victorian Grey is obviously not a fan of statistical analysis, and would rather make blanket statements like "A woman has worked in the welding industry, therefore, all women work equally in welding."

This is why people are failing logical reasoning.
This is why people are failing in Math.
This is why we need more STEM majors.

Where did I ever make such a statement?

But I see someone here making statements like this:

"women complain about unequal pay why [sic] not wanting to do equal work"

Or

"Why do women get paid less than men?

They are unlikely to apply for dangerous jobs. The fact is men work dangerous jobs in much greater numbers than women.

Young women are likely to take off to have children, and companies do not want to deal with women taking off.

So DominionSeraph, when was the last time you worked construction, welding, machinist, mining,,, or some other dangerous job?

The last time I worked in a welding shop was 9 years ago; there was not a single woman working in the whole shop. Not a single female welder, not a single female boilermaker, nor a single female machinist."

Seems like an awful lot of both blanket statements and blanket implications about women in general goin' on here and they are not coming from me.
 

Veliko

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Victorian Grey is obviously not a fan of statistical analysis, and would rather make blanket statements like "A woman has worked in the welding industry, therefore, all women work equally in welding."

This is why people are failing logical reasoning.
This is why people are failing in Math.
This is why we need more STEM majors.

I think you need to indulge in a little more logical reasoning yourself and take a look at the guff that he was responding to.

Texashiker is claiming that women don't want to do the same types of work that men do, based entirely on some statistics - that there are more men in particular industries doesn't necessarily mean that women are unwilling to do those same jobs.
 

Texashiker

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Texashiker is claiming that women don't want to do the same types of work that men do, based entirely on some statistics - that there are more men in particular industries doesn't necessarily mean that women are unwilling to do those same jobs.

Seems like an awful lot of both blanket statements and blanket implications about women in general goin' on here and they are not coming from me.

There was a study in I think Finland? It was one of those Nordic nations that claims it has the most gender equality in the entire world. Even though the nation is ranked high in gender equality, men still do certain jobs and women still do certain jobs. A video of the study is on youtube.

The study looked at nursing and engineering. The nursing field was dominated by women, the engineering field was dominated by men.

If you want the honest truth, men are still seen as a disposable product. We work longer hours, rotating shifts, take off less time when a child is born, and are willing to spend less time with the family than women.

Do yall have any kids? How many days off did you take when your kids were born as compared to the number of days your wife took off?

http://www.offshore-technology.com/features/feature-women-in-oil-gas-addressing-gender-imbalance/

With women making up just four percent of the total UK oil and gas workforce,

Really, 4%?

There are good paying jobs out there for women. But the vast majority of women do not want to do certain types of work.
 
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nehalem256

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A justification that he and his aunt used to pay women less was that women are more likely to take time off sick.

Men are more likely to get into physical confrontations than women, so would you think it's justified if employers decided to use that reasoning to pay men less?

Are you seriously suggesting that women should get paid the same as men despite working less?

So much for equal pay for EQUAL work huh?:hmm:
 
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