why does a person need to carry a gun on a daily basis in america in 2005?

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Baked
Carrying a gun will just get you killed faster.

Bingo.

Somebody pulls a gun on you and wants your wallet or car.

Do you

a) give him your wallet or car

b) have a gun fight

I prefer to live.

I have never had the need for one, and don't see the need in the future.

I also feel that my penis is big enough.

 

[TallBill]

Well, I am a military policeman, so I carry constantly overseas and stateside.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Dunbar

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
So.. Someone is robbing you at gunpoint. What do you do? I want you to outline your actions, step by step. Right after the step where you reach your gun insert this one: "Robber fires.. multiple times because he's scared". Good game!

I'm not against gun rights in any way, except to close gun show loopholes and such.. But it pisses me off that people think they are Rambo.
When I buy a gun it will be to feel like more of a man, perhaps for protection in wilderness. At least I'm honest!

I agree, if somebody sticks a gun in your face, how are you going to pull your gun out without getting shot? At best you're in a close-range shootout at a big disadvantage. I can see if you were in a store that's being robbed a concealed weapon might help. But a lot of retail establishments specifically ban concealed weapons.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Just last weekend someone called my wife and wanted to see a property (she's a realtor) but asked to meet her in a Del Taco parking lot off the freeway so I followed her down there in my car with a loaded .45 just to make sure everything was okay.

Unless you can accompany your wife everywhere, you and your gun do her little good.

No sh!t sherlock. She called me because she felt uneasy about a situation and I was happy to accompany her. Of course I cannot go everywhere she does. Thank you captain fvcking obvious for that insightful post...:roll:

 

They feel safer with the gun.

I personally don't have one, nor do I want one. Hell, I hate having to carry even a cell phone, carrying around a big hunk of metal would be a pain in the ass.

 

[ElFenix]

why not?

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You think insurance is guaranteed? Ever file a claim? Every heard of people having issues with filing claims against insurance and not being paid. Yeah, that happens eleventy billion times a day.

Nothing is guaranteed.

edit: I have had problems filing claims with insurance companies, I haven't been robbed/mugged/assaulted etc. Which are you more likely to have problems with? Yet you pay who for what and don't understand why people carry?

I'm pretty darn sure that no insurance company is going to refuse to pay for a stolen car. Your chance of getting capped by a tweaking meth-head with an itchy trigger finger when you attempt to go for your piece seems much higher.

"pretty sure" eh? Bet your life on it? Trust me, people get screwed with insurance companies plenty.

Any self defense can be considered risky, yet you support hand-gun combat? OK. You're bringing a fist to a gun fight, how's that safer?

Umm, it's a car. It's pretty nice, I guess, but I'm not going to die for the off chance I won't get any insurance money.

Every available statistic shows you or someone in your family is many more times more likely to be killed by your gun than some guy trying to take your car or wallet. Oh, and Krav Maga is used by the Israeli army with the focus on disarming and disabling some of the most vicious terrorists in the world. Pretty sure it can handle Joe Bob Carjacker.

 

[AlienCraft]

Because cops will not be there to protect you or your family or your property. Those services are reserved for the power elite and business. It is up to the citizen to cover his own ass.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You think insurance is guaranteed? Ever file a claim? Every heard of people having issues with filing claims against insurance and not being paid. Yeah, that happens eleventy billion times a day.

Nothing is guaranteed.

edit: I have had problems filing claims with insurance companies, I haven't been robbed/mugged/assaulted etc. Which are you more likely to have problems with? Yet you pay who for what and don't understand why people carry?

I'm pretty darn sure that no insurance company is going to refuse to pay for a stolen car. Your chance of getting capped by a tweaking meth-head with an itchy trigger finger when you attempt to go for your piece seems much higher.

"pretty sure" eh? Bet your life on it? Trust me, people get screwed with insurance companies plenty.

Any self defense can be considered risky, yet you support hand-gun combat? OK. You're bringing a fist to a gun fight, how's that safer?

Umm, it's a car. It's pretty nice, I guess, but I'm not going to die for the off chance I won't get any insurance money.

Every available statistic shows you or someone in your family is many more times more likely to be killed by your gun than some guy trying to take your car or wallet. Oh, and Krav Maga is used by the Israeli army with the focus on disarming and disabling some of the most vicious terrorists in the world. Pretty sure it can handle Joe Bob Carjacker.

That is a blatant lie. Statistics are tools that are frequently nothing more wild guesses or just plain made up. I hold most statistics with a grain of salt and they certainly don't influence whether I would buy a gun or not. Any fool can buy a gun, this is clear, but if you take certain simple precautions a gun is no more dangerous to have around than a screwdriver.

Only a fool would throw meaningless statistics like this around as though he had any fvcking idea what he's talking about...which is clear by some of the posts in this thread.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You think insurance is guaranteed? Ever file a claim? Every heard of people having issues with filing claims against insurance and not being paid. Yeah, that happens eleventy billion times a day.

Nothing is guaranteed.

edit: I have had problems filing claims with insurance companies, I haven't been robbed/mugged/assaulted etc. Which are you more likely to have problems with? Yet you pay who for what and don't understand why people carry?

I'm pretty darn sure that no insurance company is going to refuse to pay for a stolen car. Your chance of getting capped by a tweaking meth-head with an itchy trigger finger when you attempt to go for your piece seems much higher.

"pretty sure" eh? Bet your life on it? Trust me, people get screwed with insurance companies plenty.

Any self defense can be considered risky, yet you support hand-gun combat? OK. You're bringing a fist to a gun fight, how's that safer?

Umm, it's a car. It's pretty nice, I guess, but I'm not going to die for the off chance I won't get any insurance money.

Every available statistic shows you or someone in your family is many more times more likely to be killed by your gun than some guy trying to take your car or wallet. Oh, and Krav Maga is used by the Israeli army with the focus on disarming and disabling some of the most vicious terrorists in the world. Pretty sure it can handle Joe Bob Carjacker.

You didn't get my question. Are you willing to bet your life (you know hypothetically) that your insurance will always pay? The point made was insurance is "guaranteed" and that's why they pay insurance. It's by no means guaranteed. I wasn't equating the harm of not having insurance to the harm of not carrying a gun. Try following along for more than just one post.

You can bet the Israelis use gun against other armed enemies, just watch CNN. They don't go hand-gun when they have the choice. Guess what? They ALL carry firearms too. You make an excellent point with the military, people who have training use guns before hands when their enemy has a gun.

Also, becoming proficient on a gun requires a lot less training and skill than becoming proficient at disarming someone with a gun by hand.

Your statistic is BS. Prove it.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
Umm, it's a car. It's pretty nice, I guess, but I'm not going to die for the off chance I won't get any insurance money.

Every available statistic shows you or someone in your family is many more times more likely to be killed by your gun than some guy trying to take your car or wallet. Oh, and Krav Maga is used by the Israeli army with the focus on disarming and disabling some of the most vicious terrorists in the world. Pretty sure it can handle Joe Bob Carjacker.

You really, really, REALLY can't be that naive could you??? I guess you can. First off,you are quoting the statistic WRONG. The correct one is, most incidents in the home involving children getting shot with guns is due to improperly secured guns of the parents. THAT is the true and proper statistic, not that owning a gun is more likely to have your kid shoot himself. That's just plain stupid. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any more generations of kids left in Texas or Florida now would there?

Owning a gun RESPONSIBLY, means the chance of your own family being hurt by it reduced to near ZERO. But it does take diligence to be a responsible gun owner. And incidents occuring in the home that results in injury or death from a gun is MUCH less likely to happen then your kid slipping in the shower and killing themselves that way. Does that mean you outlaw kids from taking baths or showers because it is STATISTICALLY more likely to cause an injury or death from an accident then a gun being in the home?

As for Krav Maga, LOL, the only reason it's useful is because it's used against NON responsible and NON trained gun owners. If you try using Krav Maga on someone trained in gun use... lol well lets say you'll never get a chance to use it because a responsible person would never 1) use it against someone that needed to use Krav Maga and 2) even if by some super odd chance they did, they wouldn't let you get anywhere near them to use Krav Maga.

 

[loic2003]

Personally, I'd rather not be at the mercy of some braindead fool who was bullied as a kid and is now taking shots at someone running towards me who wanted to steal his iPod. There are so many idiotic, dumbass people in the US (the US is famous for it), and a very small amount of training is required in order to possess a firearm in some areas. It's all very well for the above gun-lovers to say "just imagine people acted like adults with their guns, etc etc" but that's assuming that all people are sensible, completely sane and without grudges. That's just not the way of the world. I feel a lot more comfortable where I live when you can assume that none of the idiots you see walking in the street are currently in the posession of a lethal projectile weapon.

However, as someone earlier mentioned, it's an arms race and now there are so many guns in the US that it's far too late for any type of real control.

 

[irie]

The only one responsible for your saftey is you. Do you honestly think the police will always be there to save you? Are you saying that the only people allowed self and family protection are law enforcement?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You think insurance is guaranteed? Ever file a claim? Every heard of people having issues with filing claims against insurance and not being paid. Yeah, that happens eleventy billion times a day.

Nothing is guaranteed.

edit: I have had problems filing claims with insurance companies, I haven't been robbed/mugged/assaulted etc. Which are you more likely to have problems with? Yet you pay who for what and don't understand why people carry?

I'm pretty darn sure that no insurance company is going to refuse to pay for a stolen car. Your chance of getting capped by a tweaking meth-head with an itchy trigger finger when you attempt to go for your piece seems much higher.

"pretty sure" eh? Bet your life on it? Trust me, people get screwed with insurance companies plenty.

Any self defense can be considered risky, yet you support hand-gun combat? OK. You're bringing a fist to a gun fight, how's that safer?

Umm, it's a car. It's pretty nice, I guess, but I'm not going to die for the off chance I won't get any insurance money.

Every available statistic shows you or someone in your family is many more times more likely to be killed by your gun than some guy trying to take your car or wallet. Oh, and Krav Maga is used by the Israeli army with the focus on disarming and disabling some of the most vicious terrorists in the world. Pretty sure it can handle Joe Bob Carjacker.

You do realize that those statistics "proving" that your own gun was more likely to be used against you and your family were made up by anti-gun groups, don't you? They don't use them much anymore after it came out that they made up the numbers to suit their ends.

 

[Pocahontas]

Gun's are unsafe even if you are a trooper. A friend of mine lost his brother to suicide on Tuesday. He had his side arm locked up is his bedroom and his brother with a history of problems managed to get a key to the safe box and Mom found him the next morning in the garage.

RIP MPV

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pocahontas
Gun's are unsafe even if you are a trooper. A friend of mine lost his brother to suicide on Tuesday. He had his side arm locked up is his bedroom and his brother with a history of problems managed to get a key to the safe box and Mom found him the next morning in the garage.

RIP MPV

No offense but don't you think the brother with a history of mental problems would have just found another way to commit suicide had there not been a gun around?

 

[0roo0roo]

yea thats a stupid arguement really. dude kills himself. blame teh gun! i mean wtf.. sure guys like the bullet to the head thing. but women like to take the pills instead. blame the pill? wtf... seriously the logic don't workie.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Pocahontas
Gun's are unsafe even if you are a trooper. A friend of mine lost his brother to suicide on Tuesday. He had his side arm locked up is his bedroom and his brother with a history of problems managed to get a key to the safe box and Mom found him the next morning in the garage.

RIP MPV

If didn't have access to a gun he would have tried another (perhaps less lethal) method such as an OD. He could still be alive today.
Many people go on to live very happy lives after a bout of serious depression.


Of course, guns are only ever legally owned in the hands of sensible, straight thinking, stable, proud US citizens, so there is no need for any kind of gun control as these smart folk can handle themselves....

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Personally, I'd rather not be at the mercy of some braindead fool who was bullied as a kid and is now taking shots at someone running towards me who wanted to steal his iPod. There are so many idiotic, dumbass people in the US (the US is famous for it), and a very small amount of training is required in order to possess a firearm in some areas. It's all very well for the above gun-lovers to say "just imagine people acted like adults with their guns, etc etc" but that's assuming that all people are sensible, completely sane and without grudges. That's just not the way of the world. I feel a lot more comfortable where I live when you can assume that none of the idiots you see walking in the street are currently in the posession of a lethal projectile weapon.

However, as someone earlier mentioned, it's an arms race and now there are so many guns in the US that it's far too late for any type of real control.

There is little required to posess a firearm but there is a LOT more involved in being licensed to carry. CHL holders are subject to the most restrictive gun control and training requirements aside from the owners of NFA firearms (which is basically like the government living in your colon).

The scenario you outlined is another common one used by the gun-control lobby when a carry law is proposed in a state. Yet the "Wild West" they predict as the only possible outcome is just another scare tactic to turn the uninformed to their view. It just has not happened in those states that have passed the laws, this is a fact. Also, your generalizations that gun owners (especially CHL holders) are "braindead fool"s and "idiots" are unfounded and insulting.

I will, however, refrain from making sweeping generalizations about the intellectual quality of your fellow citizens.

 

[Pocahontas]

Oh boy, I wasn't trying to blame the gun...it could have been pills, a rope..whatever. He was going to find a way, after 15 years, treatments, family, church you name it, it didn't help.

My whole point was that as responsible as you can be if there is a gun, it could cause a problem. No gun, no gunshot wounds. The only issue I have against guns themselves is those of us who refuse to lock them up, disengage them, keep bullets separate or/and put child locks on. My only beef comes down to irresponsibility and children getting killed.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
yea thats a stupid arguement really. dude kills himself. blame teh gun! i mean wtf.. sure guys like the bullet to the head thing. but women like to take the pills instead. blame the pill? wtf... seriously the logic don't workie.

You can be found shortly after taking an OD and be taken to a hospital. Very often suicide attempts are subconscious cries for help. Suicide attempts with guns are usually successful, however.

It's not as clear-cut as "He wanted to die, so let him". That displays distinct ignorance of the psychological issues behind suicidal people and their circumstances. Of course some people will be determined to die, and perhaps are even beyond help, but many may simply need counseling before getting back on track with their lives and recommencing enjoying life.

 

[0roo0roo]

meh still doesn't work though cuz men tend to choose more lethal means anyways. its not a cry for help when u do that. whether u shoot yoruself, or jump off a building or hang yourself or whatever. women... with the pills and all. thats just not commiting to your decision bullsh*t. or sheer incompetence. still doesn't work anyways because many times these "crys for help" by women succeed.(example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Bach) that proves pills are dangerous and should be banned. that would keep women from crying for help u see?

 

[exdeath]

My thoughts on the matter.

If you have to reach for your gun AFTER you are approached and have a gun stuck in your face, you probably shouldn't be carrying one. If you are simply an idiot and driving around in dark alleys with your windows down and door unlocked and are paying more attention to your cell phone than your mirrors, a gun isn't going to make you any safer.

A gun is a means to end unlawful violence as a last resort. There is no substitute for situational awareness.

I carry my USP .40 at all times. Civic duty and all that stuff.

That said I have never felt threatened and I have never felt I "needed" it. Just another thing I pick up along with my keys, wallet, and phone.

But to answer the OP, because in America in 2005, there are still drug dealers, rapists, thieves, car jackers, murderers, child molesters, arsonists, stalkers, meth heads, etc.


The unprovoked and unlawful transgression on another?s life, liberty, or property is grounds for removal from society in my book. Anyone willing to violate these three principals has shown that they cannot coexist in a peaceful civilized society and respect fellow human beings at the most fundamental level. The only time the taking of life, liberty, or property from another person is lawful and acceptable is when society deems it necessary in the punishment of criminals in order to preserve the social order that protects lawful life, liberty, and property.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
after i got robbed at a stoplight a while back i always carry a gun

Do you think that having a gun would have simplified the problem?

uh of course? +1 shot to the body (anywhere really at close range) = death. how hard is that?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Pablo
Inspired by another thread...

I think about all the times I wish I had been carrying a gun in my life, and they total 0.

They total 0 now but the day it happends you will think back when you made this thread. Most cary a gun because of the wack job that may pull his out to shoot you with.

Your walking down this dark alley and Johny wacked in the head just stole a gun and is mentally unstable. Screams gibberish at you bouncing off the walls and decides to see if his gun will put fear into you. Do you think back going AH now I see why people feel the need to cary a gun and piss your paints begging Johnny wacko not to kill you? OR? Do you pull out your nine and do this world a favor and give Johny wack job a lobotomy?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Pablo
Inspired by another thread...

I think about all the times I wish I had been carrying a gun in my life, and they total 0.

They total 0 now but the day it happends you will think back when you made this thread. Most cary a gun because of the wack job that may pull his out to shoot you with.

Your walking down this dark alley and Johny wacked in the head just stole a gun and is mentally unstable. Screams gibberish at you bouncing off the walls and decides to see if his gun will put fear into you. Do you think back going AH now I see why people feel the need to cary a gun and piss your paints begging Johnny wacko not to kill you? OR? Do you pull out your nine and do this world a favor and give Johny wack job a lobotomy?

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