why does a person need to carry a gun on a daily basis in america in 2005?

[shuan24]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the right to carry arm is so that incase of an emergency a civilian milita can be assembeled. This includes government overthrowing

A bunch of civilians with guns would have absolutly no hope of overthrowing the government.

lol tell that to George Washington back in 1775.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JRock

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
after i got robbed at a stoplight a while back i always carry a gun

Do you think that having a gun would have simplified the problem?

I think they would prob be in jail. Unless you were robbed at gun point or could reasonably proove your life was in danger.

If you're getting robbed, your life IS in danger.

I'm not going to ask you if you're armed before I shoot you in the face. If you try to jack me in my car, I'm going to jack your life. If you brought a knife to a gunfight, that's your problem not mine.

 

[CChaos]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CChaos
I can't really tell. Are you saying Thera is posting inaccurate information? You just posted there were approx. 29,000 gun deaths in the US 6 years ago. What makes 30,000 so inaccurate? Where's your source?

Also, do you think it's wise to use the UK as an example when we have 6x the population and 400x as many gun deaths? That link indicates ~70 gun deaths in the UK while we have more than that every day in this country.

No, I said that there were a bit over 12,000 murders total in 1999. The actual number was 12,658. Of which, 8,259 were by firearm. It is an acknowledged fact by every police agency in the country that crime has been going steadily down since the early 90s.
So yes, Thera did post inaccurate information. Using the figure she did, I even recognized the source. Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine, where he intentional lied about the number of US gun deaths by including the suicide figures, and then compared his US figures to other countries by not including their suicide figures. But hey, what do you expect from the guy who called one of MLK's best friends a racist?

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When did we stop talking about gun deaths and start talking about murders only?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CChaos
When did we stop talking about gun deaths and start talking about murders only?

So you think taking the guns away would be enough to stop the suicidal from going through with it? LOL.

:roll::roll:

 

[shuan24]

Vic's point was that suicide with a gun shouldn't count as a gun death. If you're going to kill yourself, you can just as easily do it by any other means. It shouldn't be counted negatively towards gun ownership.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shuan24
Vic's point was that suicide with a gun shouldn't count as a gun death. If you're going to kill yourself, you can just as easily do it by any other means. It shouldn't be counted negatively towards gun ownership.

Hell, next the gun control paranoids are gonna be comin' from my kitchen knives! "Someone could kill themselves!" Damnit, I got dinner to make here... from my cold dead fingers!

 

[CChaos]

Originally posted by: Vic
It is an acknowledged fact by every police agency in the country that crime has been going steadily down since the early 90s.

8,259 in '99

According to the DoJ: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm#findings

"The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 67% of the 16,503 murders in 2003 were committed with firearms"

11,507 in '03 based on this information

I don't know much about this site, but they claim 163 deaths from firearms injury in the UK in 2003. http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF07.htm

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shuan24
Vic's point was that suicide with a gun shouldn't count as a gun death. If you're going to kill yourself, you can just as easily do it by any other means. It shouldn't be counted negatively towards gun ownership.

Hell, next the gun control paranoids are gonna be comin' from my kitchen knives! "Someone could kill themselves!" Damnit, I got dinner to make here... from my cold dead fingers!

Don't joke about that, I saw that the Brits were thinking about making pointed kitchen knives illegal.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CChaos

Originally posted by: Vic
It is an acknowledged fact by every police agency in the country that crime has been going steadily down since the early 90s.

8,259 in '99

According to the DoJ: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm#findings

"The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 67% of the 16,503 murders in 2003 were committed with firearms"

11,507 in '03 based on this information

I don't know much about this site, but they claim 163 deaths from firearms injury in the UK in 2003. http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF07.htm

What about knives, bats, crowbars, etc. Should any lethal object - including your foot - be banned?

 

[Vic]

You realize that crime figures don't count, right? Did you not see my original argument in this thread, less than a page back? Why don't you address that?
A gun is an inanimate object. A thing. It can't kill anyone in and of itself. Nor will just holding a gun in your hand cause you to immediately turn and kill someone. So take your fsckin' mysticism and shove it up your ass, okay?
Any evidence that the US has higher crime figures than other countries merely shows that the US has some other cultural problem. Not a gun problem. Unless you're trying to be a complete idiot and argue that people didn't kill themselves before guns were invented just a few hundred years ago.
Sorry if I come off a bit rude, but from a purely logical perspective, it is obvious that you are either (1) confused, or (2) intentionally using the crime stats as a ruse in order to secretly push a hidden agenda. As I believe (2) to be the most likely scenario, I don't appreciate it.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: shuan24

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the right to carry arm is so that incase of an emergency a civilian milita can be assembeled. This includes government overthrowing

A bunch of civilians with guns would have absolutly no hope of overthrowing the government.

lol tell that to George Washington back in 1775.

I'm not talking about 1775

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Pablo
Inspired by another thread...

Does a gun make you feel safer? I think about all the times I wish I had been carrying a gun in my life, and they total 0. I don't think we need to outlaw guns or anything... I think guns are awesome, fun to shoot, etc... But why would you need to carry one on a daily basis?

It seems to me like "I need one for protection" pretty much is just an excuse to justify the purchase of a new toy. Anybody else feel this way?

Ever been to Philly?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: shuan24

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the right to carry arm is so that incase of an emergency a civilian milita can be assembeled. This includes government overthrowing

A bunch of civilians with guns would have absolutly no hope of overthrowing the government.

lol tell that to George Washington back in 1775.

I'm not talking about 1775

Why do you think that they would have no hope of overthrowing the goverentment? I helped do it just a few years ago with nothing but a ballot.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: shuan24

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the right to carry arm is so that incase of an emergency a civilian milita can be assembeled. This includes government overthrowing

A bunch of civilians with guns would have absolutly no hope of overthrowing the government.

lol tell that to George Washington back in 1775.

I'm not talking about 1775

Now or then it doesn't matter. You think the army is going to bomb its own cities and citizens? As though the PFC pushing the button doesn't have family in Kansas City?

 

[Kroze]

heh. funy that you asked. i just got my license to purchase handguns today.

and i'm in jersey.



already got my rifle/shotgun license.

 

[shuan24]

It is also odd that people here and Michael Moore convienantly forget to mention Switzerland, where they have the highest gun ownership rate (somewhere along the lines of 100%) and one of the lowest crime rate in the world.

The key is not to restrict guns but the ammo. Like Chris Rock said, "If bullets were $5000 a piece, there would be no innocent bystander shootings. Before you pull the trigger you ask yourself, is he worth $5000?"

 

[CChaos]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CChaos
When did we stop talking about gun deaths and start talking about murders only?

So you think taking the guns away would be enough to stop the suicidal from going through with it? LOL.

:roll::roll:

The subject was gun deaths here and abroad. I have no problem just talking about murders.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CChaos
The subject was gun deaths here and abroad. I have no problem just talking about murders.

No, the subject is "why does a person need to carry a gun on a daily basis in america in 2005?"

The answer is why NOT. To which there is no rebuttal short of mysticism.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CChaos
The subject was gun deaths here and abroad. I have no problem just talking about murders.

No, the subject is "why does a person need to carry a gun on a daily basis in america in 2005?"

The answer is why NOT. To which there is no rebuttal short of mysticism.

There are plenty of rebuttals other then mysticism. My favorite is, "because it is easer to control an unarmed populace" Or how about the ever popular, "because it is a necessary step in taking away all your freedoms.? And never forget the immortal, ?because only I am capable of deciding what is right or wrong.?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CChaos
The subject was gun deaths here and abroad. I have no problem just talking about murders.

No, the subject is "why does a person need to carry a gun on a daily basis in america in 2005?"

The answer is why NOT. To which there is no rebuttal short of mysticism.

There are plenty of rebuttals other then mysticism. My favorite is, "because it is easer to control an unarmed populace" Or how about the ever popular, "because it is a necessary step in taking away all your freedoms.? And never forget the immortal, ?because only I am capable of deciding what is right or wrong.?

Okay. LOL. All very true. The only true reason in fact. And all based on fear and hatred.

But the favorite... the one used to conceal the true intentions... is mysticism. The flawed belief that inanimate objects possess the ability to be evil in and of themselves, and rise up and do murder. Can't you hear the gun whispering? "Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill."
I just want to make sure that is well and fully debunked. People were killing themselves in large numbers long before guns ever existed.

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: Kroze
heh. funy that you asked. i just got my license to purchase handguns today.

and i'm in jersey.



already got my rifle/shotgun license.

i think if everyone have a gun, then there would be no reason to fear anyone. there is no right or wrong in life, who ever is armed becomes the ruler of this planet. disarming citizen or civilians is what any dictator will do if they want to slaughter all of you little by little and no one can do anything about it.

most people need to learn how to handle a gun correctly, it is your best protection against domestic corruption. the people have become pussies, they no longer feel responsible for their own life and depends on 3rd party to protect them which makes them a dependent on others who may not care at all. What's the difference between them and you? they have a gun and are trained, that is all. Even a woman can be bad asses once trained in the art of gun shooting.

The right to bear arms, our 2nd amendment can mean life or death and can never be infringed including the government who are working hard to scare us and asking us to give up every rights that will make us their slaves overnight. what makes this country so great can turn into another killing field of cambodia or vietnam war if we're not careful. I feel that we the people should rise up and speak out against every wrong doing that has been done so far. only we the people have the power to stop what is going on today, we need to stop watching television news that are based on fantasy. Either you are part of the problems or part of the solution. Most of us do not cooperate well with another, that's why we are at a losing battle to solve world conflicts. I hate war as much as anyone who likes peace, why aren't anyone doing anything about it? Is this insanity or what? Has the world gone mad?

 

[CChaos]

I'm not really interested in the subject of gun control, just curious as to the validity of the factual/statistic claims people have made in this thread. I know more people who have been killed by drinking and driving than guns. I agree that we have bigger problems in our society and violence is not a by-product of guns.

 

[hg321]

because when the bird flu hits, society will breakdown and only the strong will survive

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: hg321
because when the bird flu hits, society will breakdown and only the strong will survive

There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Korilian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable planet. The only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they "do not know about it!"

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Pablo
Inspired by another thread...

Does a gun make you feel safer? I think about all the times I wish I had been carrying a gun in my life, and they total 0. I don't think we need to outlaw guns or anything... I think guns are awesome, fun to shoot, etc... But why would you need to carry one on a daily basis?

It seems to me like "I need one for protection" pretty much is just an excuse to justify the purchase of a new toy. Anybody else feel this way?

There is an old proverb that says :

"Carry your weapon everyday , you might use it once in your lifetime (when it really counts)"

I guess for the same reason ppl buy insurance policies.