Why does everybody talk s--- about government jobs?

[steppinthrax]

I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

I always thought governement jobs are underpaid???

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

Amen, the standards for a government employee are usually fairly low. Because of those low standards it usually doesn't reflect well when that is the job you say you have. Not the mention the fact that once you have a government job it is almost impossible to be fired from it.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

Because government employees can't spell or use proper grammar?

 

[mozirry]

as a gov employee, we are underpaid but not necessarily overworked, I would say the market pays a gov employee lower then what a private comp. would for same exact work

 

[Linflas]

Because most peoples interactions with government employees in their daily lives are negative ones like DMV, tax assesors, police issuing traffic tickets and the like.

 

[MovingTarget]

<-- wants a government job

Usually the pay is considerably lower than the private sector, but the benefits are quite a bit better. It is a trade-off. Government jobs don't deserve the hate-on that some people have for them. Depending on what a particular worker does, the taxpayer gets what they pay for for the most part.

 

[Strk]

It's the same with union work, which is technically a lot of government jobs. Once the G or U word is brought up, people don't give a shit what you do and it doesn't matter how thoroughly you explain it.

 

[dbk]

i just got a govt job

 

[Baked]

Envy and jealousy, that's all.

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: Baked
Envy and jealousy, that's all.

This. They used to be horrible jobs. I was talking to my parents about this a few weeks ago and they mentioned that if you worked for the government years ago, it was because you probably didn't have the skills necessary to make it in the private sector. Now-a-days, the government pays well, and the benefits are awesome.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: Baked
Envy and jealousy, that's all.

This. They used to be horrible jobs. I was talking to my parents about this a few weeks ago and they mentioned that if you worked for the government years ago, it was because you probably didn't have the skills necessary to make it in the private sector. Now-a-days, the government pays well, and the benefits are awesome.

Awesome

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: Baked
Envy and jealousy, that's all.

This. They used to be horrible jobs. I was talking to my parents about this a few weeks ago and they mentioned that if you worked for the government years ago, it was because you probably didn't have the skills necessary to make it in the private sector. Now-a-days, the government pays well, and the benefits are awesome.

See GW Bush.

 

[MoPHo]

My mom has worked for NYS for about...40 years. She never put any of her earnings into stocks or anything, just deferred comp and savings. While everyone else's stocks and retirement plans tanked my mom's retirement plan is fine. I just think it's kind of funny how she's hyped about turning 65 and retiring while everybody else right now is shitting their pants.

And while I always laugh at state jobs, for the first 20 years she was really underpaid and very overworked.

 

[meltdown75]

because they're ignorant?

 

[ScottyB]

Gov'ment done took my baby!

 

[Mahaguru]

My experience was quite the opposite. I had a state job (at a state university). It was in a small town where the university was the biggest and the best employer. So when people heard I worked for the university, to them it was the equivalent of Microsoft, Oracle, Netapp, BMC etc.

From what I observed, the work environment was much like any other place. Some people did good work while some slacked off. I didn't stay too long to figure out how much politics was involved in the whole thing. My work was typical Windows sys admin type work. I did 8-5:30, and sometimes came in later to do updates. My coworker was very hard working because according to him, he didn't want to waste the tax payers' money.

But working there really puts you in the mindset of "All I have to do is not screw up and I can keep this job". No fear of layoffs, no worrying about quarterly earning reports, or company getting bought out. But people have been fired for royally screwing up. The admin before me decided to change to Linux one day. Didn't go over too well, and backups were not reliable.

Had a friend who worked at another state university. Now his job was exactly what people think about government jobs, lots of politics, people who did nothing, and overall attitude of doing the least to not get fired. But his university did have some layoffs when they ran into funding problems.

 

[huberm]

my last job was a govt job. I did literally maybe 1 hour or less of work per week. The politics were awful. No one cared that none of us really worked, as long as we stayed out of their hair. I had no performance review.

I now have a non government job and like it much better.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

True. When I got out of the Navy I was campaigning hard for a government job. Didnt happen. Now I look at them with angry, jealous hatred.

Pretty much everything I saw at every base and on every ship told me that GS's get paid too much for getting crappy results, and they can never be fired.

 

[invidia]

Go work for the NSA and see if you are underworked.

 

[LOFBenson]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
My mom has worked for NYS for about...40 years. She never put any of her earnings into stocks or anything, just deferred comp and savings. While everyone else's stocks and retirement plans tanked my mom's retirement plan is fine. I just think it's kind of funny how she's hyped about turning 65 and retiring while everybody else right now is shitting their pants.

And while I always laugh at state jobs, for the first 20 years she was really underpaid and very overworked.

Your mom's pension plan is almost certainly bankrupt. Pension systems in the us have been claiming 7-10% ROI for the past decade put only producing 3%. Considering most pension systems were invested heavily in complicated debt instruments or real estate the fact is that the entire burden of supporting current pensioners will neccessitate massively increased taxes or decreased benefits - in a timescale based in years (not decades like social security).

Someday the people of the United States will wake up and realize that we can't continue to pay people not to work and remain competitive. Gov pensions are going to ruin many local and state budgets simply because even during two of the biggest bubbles in history they still couldn't afford them.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

That's a terrible generalization. I have a government job and we do not receive a single cent of taxpayer money. Everyone here works hard since we have a production based merit system.

 

[Insomniator]

People hate them because they are ridiculous. I work for a State college and everyone gets paid well and can do whatever the hell they want, which is usually nothing.

You can't get fired, we get like 40 days of sick/vacation time every year and you end up with a sick pension afterwards.

There are people there that know literally nothing (im in IT) and get paid 80 grand a year and come to work ~3 or 4 days a week.

You act like that for a normal company you get canned. In the Gov, you get promoted.

 

[Mo0o]

I thought itw as because it's hard to fire people once they're hired so you cant weed out the mistake hirings.