Why does everyone hate 5900XT's?

[eastley]

I just signed up to this forum because i have read so many threads bagging out Nvidia's 5900XT, I just purchased a MSI 5900XT-VTD128 and i can gaurentee that will be close to beating a 9800XT or 9800PRO.
The reason is because I combined a AMD Athlon 3200+ with a nforce2 chipset motherboard and some descent 512MB of ram (cant remember the brand but it was expensive). Anyway for some reason I find that the Athlon 3200+ performs better in games that any P4. And combine that with a nforce board and a mid to top ranged nvidia graphics card and i was soon getting some suprising results. So i put in a Radeon 9800XT and my little 5900XT kept up with it in all my tests. they were:

3Dmark01
3Dmark03
UT2004
Aquamark03
Farcry

So If you have a similar setup to mine and you want to buy a Graphics card but your not in range for a 5950 or and 9800 cards then i suggest the 5900XT over the rest. But i have to say Radeon cards seem to work alot better with Pentium 4 CPU's and if you dont have a nforce2 chipset Motherboard i strongly you go for a Radeon, either a 9800Pro 128bit. There about the same price as a 5900XT now.

So in conclusion to end this battle, it all depends on your system specifications. plus you have to live the bundle that comes with the 5900XT, I got 5 free games including UT2004 , and the VIVO features are pretty good as well.

 

[Cerb]

Let's see, because
a) Most games are not OpenGL.
b) It was a failed design (but NVidia has Jesus himself on their driver team, and made it up).
c) The 9800 Pro beats it in just about anything new that uses Direct3D, and even more for the money.

Positives for the 5900XT, however, are
a) NVidia's control panel applet is easier to use
b) Rivatuner beats any other tweaking app out there, but you can't use it with the newer Catalyst drivers.
c) John Carmack chose OpenGL. Id engines power some good games.

I personally haven't seen any 5900XT hate threads, and should be getting one from Newegg today or tomorrow. The 9800 Pro has it beat in benchmarks almost across the board...but with my switch to ATi with the 9600 XT, I'm finding there are ease of use and aesthetics issues worth a 10% performance hit.

If you don't remember your RAM's make and model, you need to stay in the kiddy pool (not the toddler pool, though, that's reserved for those who got their Dell 2400 for 1337 gaming ). You can buy expensive crap all day long. Also, I don't see what you're getting at with the P4 & ATI thing. Athlons do quite well with either chip manufacturer. And a P4C 2.8 will easily beat your XP 3200+.

Lastly, at least post your scores!
(also, the 5900, overlcoked or no, will NOT keep up with a 9800 Pro in 3Dmark03. Period)

Edit: the NVidia chipset part should be expected: if you are making a mobo and video card chipset, why not have some tweaks? . Didn't think of that, given the AMD/Intel difference being primarily mentioned.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: eastley
I just signed up to this forum because i have read so many threads bagging out Nvidia's 5900XT, I just purchased a MSI 5900XT-VTD128 and i can gaurentee that will be close to beating a 9800XT or 9800PRO.
The reason is because I combined a AMD Athlon 3200+ with a nforce2 chipset motherboard and some descent 512MB of ram (cant remember the brand but it was expensive). Anyway for some reason I find that the Athlon 3200+ performs better in games that any P4. And combine that with a nforce board and a mid to top ranged nvidia graphics card and i was soon getting some suprising results. So i put in a Radeon 9800XT and my little 5900XT kept up with it in all my tests. they were:

3Dmark01
3Dmark03
UT2004
Aquamark03
Farcry

So If you have a similar setup to mine and you want to buy a Graphics card but your not in range for a 5950 or and 9800 cards then i suggest the 5900XT over the rest. But i have to say Radeon cards seem to work alot better with Pentium 4 CPU's and if you dont have a nforce2 chipset Motherboard i strongly you go for a Radeon, either a 9800Pro 128bit. There about the same price as a 5900XT now.

So in conclusion to end this battle, it all depends on your system specifications. plus you have to live the bundle that comes with the 5900XT, I got 5 free games including UT2004 , and the VIVO features are pretty good as well.

I also have a msi 5900xt vtd128 and like you I am very happy with it, I also had a radeon 9800 pro and I found the 5900xt to be a pretty even match for it. Although it has not been proven I also think video cards using an nvidia gpu perform better on a motherboard using an nvidia chipset.

The only software my 9800 pro was much better than my 5900 xt is 3dmark03, I found the 5900xt performed much better than the 9800 pro using x2 the threat which is cool because I love that game!

 

[rbV5]

i have read so many threads bagging out Nvidia's 5900XT

The 5900XT is a fine card with a very good Price/performance ratio. I'd wager the same dozen posters have the majority of negative posts in the majority of threads out of the ~80,000 or so members here, so its pretty meaningless judging by that.

I'd snap one up in a minute for one of my rigs if the price was right without hesitation.

 

[MichaelZ]

no one hates it... calm down it's just a piece of hardware. even if someone else hates your video card, whoooooo da feck cares?

oh gawd i'm losing sleep since so many dissapprove of my choice of graphics processing unit. whatever will i do!?!?

 

[grabbingsand]

Originally posted by: eastley
... you have to live the bundle that comes with the 5900XT, I got 5 free games including UT2004 .

Really?

Is this a new bundle? The product listing on NewEgg still shows Morrowind & Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project.

 

[rbV5]

and if you dont have a nforce2 chipset Motherboard i strongly you go for a Radeon, either a 9800Pro 128bit.

BTW, Why wouldn't you go for a Radeon if you do have an Nforce2 chipset. AIW 9700pro+Nforce2 works great for me.

 

[blazerazor]

no one hates it... calm down it's just a piece of hardware. even if someone else hates your video card, whoooooo da feck cares?

LMAO .. The way I see it is, even if you spend rent and get the newest baddest thing out there, In three months it will be surpassed by some thing else. Although ...a friend of mine spend $400+ on a geForce TI when it first came out, it has gave him gaming pleasure since and only recently begain showing age and prompting a upgrade. Thats roughly ~100 dollars a year to stay gaming fit. So a new gen card that will last 3yrs would be exceptable, or spend ~200 for a mid line and play the open your case game more often. Plus the 5900xt/se 's seem to come with 'fun' games. Like cod and morrowind. Ethier way you win as long as you can have fun playing your favorite games.

 

[daveybrat]

I love my MSI 5900XT card!
The 9800Pro didn't entice me, even with it's extra speed.

I bought the MSI 5900xt for 2 major reasons:

1) Nvidia's drivers, i like their control panel, and stability.

2) The MSI 5900 has THE quietest fan on it! I have a quiet P4 system and wanted a quiet vid card.


And on top of all that, the 5900XT cards are still more than fast enough for all of today's games.

 

[hysperion]

no one bags on the 5900xt....that and the 5900nu are the only decent fx cards that nvidia produced due to their bang for the buck...now that the 9800p is in the same price range though, your probably better off getting one of those.....(some of the 5700u's were decent)

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: eastley
I just signed up to this forum because i have read so many threads bagging out Nvidia's 5900XT, I just purchased a MSI 5900XT-VTD128 and i can gaurentee that will be close to beating a 9800XT or 9800PRO.

By close do you mean 10+ fps behind?

 

[yhelothar]

not close.. but not noticeable... maybe...
Close, yeah if you overclocked it. A lot would even overclock to a 5950. Stock would be considerably slower than a 9800pro/9800xt..

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rbV5

and if you dont have a nforce2 chipset Motherboard i strongly you go for a Radeon, either a 9800Pro 128bit.

BTW, Why wouldn't you go for a Radeon if you do have an Nforce2 chipset. AIW 9700pro+Nforce2 works great for me.

Proprietary driver performance increases for NVIDIA+NVIDIA.

 

[yhelothar]

The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

Got me then

 

[Pete]

So i put in a Radeon 9800XT and my little 5900XT kept up with it in all my tests. they were:

3Dmark01
3Dmark03
UT2004
Aquamark03
Farcry

Firstly, I don't really trust cross-IHV comparisons in synthetic tests, so forget those. That leaves us with UT2004, which is probably CPU-limited (with AA+AF, the 9800XT should be faster), and Far Cry, which should be slower (and look uglier in some spots) on the 5900XT.

But if you don't notice the difference, then more power to ya. The 5900XT isn't a bad card, just potentially not the best one for newer, "shader-heavy" games. It'll do well with OpenGL and DX8 games.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

there's nothing to substantiate nv40 works 'better' on nforce3 than r420. it's all rumors and speculations. if anyone has proof, feel free to offer it, as i haven't seen any.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

there's nothing to substantiate nv40 works 'better' on nforce3 than r420. it's all rumors and speculations. if anyone has proof, feel free to offer it, as i haven't seen any.

Wow, thats a new record. Going from OP "why does everone hate 5900XT's" to "theres nothing to substantiate nv40 works "better" on nforce3 than r420.". Why are all of you so easily diverted?

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

there's nothing to substantiate nv40 works 'better' on nforce3 than r420. it's all rumors and speculations. if anyone has proof, feel free to offer it, as i haven't seen any.

It's not a rumor. It was stated by Nvidia. NF3 250Gb will work better w/ FX cards in certain apps and benches. link

 

[eastley]

WOW this has been my most successful topic since using these forums, thanks guys

 

[nitromullet]

...I combined a AMD Athlon 3200+ with a nforce2 chipset motherboard...

and then your sig...

AMD Athlon 1800+ @ stock speeds
ASUS A7V8X-X
512 MB PC2700 DDR RAM
MSI 5900XT-VTD128
SEAGATE 120GIG 7200RPM
3DMARK03 SCORE: 4568

What rig is that 3DMark02 score for? A 3200+ w/ nforce2 or 1800+ w/ VIA?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Cerb
It was a failed design (but NVidia has Jesus himself on their driver team, and made it up).

They acquired him in the 3Dfx buyout.

 

[Pete]

No one hates 5900XTs (especially compared with 5700Us), thus the quick diversions. In fact, 5900XTs were fairly often recommended when they debuted at ~$190 with CoD and 9800Ps were $250. Now that prices are more even, the 9800P just seems like a better buy for newer games, but that doesn't mean people hate 5900XTs.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The optimizations were only but into nforce3.. not nforce2.

there's nothing to substantiate nv40 works 'better' on nforce3 than r420. it's all rumors and speculations. if anyone has proof, feel free to offer it, as i haven't seen any.

It's not a rumor. It was stated by Nvidia. NF3 250Gb will work better w/ FX cards in certain apps and benches. link

so where's the 'meat & potatoes'?

it's still 'hearsay' (someone told someone). i'd sure like to see some benchmarks. i mean, there are nforce3 boards and nv40's available.. where's the benchies to show this is true, and to what degree?

ty for the link tho.

 

[eastley]

What rig is that 3DMark02 score for? A 3200+ w/ nforce2 or 1800+ w/ VIA?

Well the ain't kind of happening cause I just took it back cause my RAM had issues with my Motherboard (just standard compatibility issues), being that the computer guy was my best friend I might be swapping it for Athlon 64 3200+, with a neo m/board. Anyway when ever I get this rig happening i'll post my 5900XT scores