why does everyone hate Abit?

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WetSprocket

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I've had quite a few abit boards IT5H, TX5N, BH6, and my current KA7. One day I plan on having a socket A DDR Raid board from them. I have never had a problem. Every one of them has made me the overclocker\tech enthusiast I am today. I would recommend Abit to anyone who I thought was worthy.
 

MWink

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Oct 9, 1999
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Who hates Abit? I love them. In my book they are number 2 (#1 is Tyan). I love my KA7. The only problem I had was I got one of the "defective" BE6 boards.
 

andrey

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Has everyone noticed that people who are defending Abit are only the ones who actually have Abit in their systems right now. People who used Abit in the past and quite a few other motherboards are totally on the opposite side... ?
 

LXi

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<<I would recommend Abit to anyone who I thought was worthy.>>

Oh boy, that is NOT what you want to do to your worthy friends.

 

LXi

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andrey: It's kinda like overclockers.com's OC database, only people who achieved high OC results feel free to post the results, people who got poor results usually dont post. Same here with Abit, the ones that are defending them are the ones who's had good experience w/ Abits, unfortunately the unlucky outnumbers the lucky ones by a huge proportion.
 

LXi

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Ok maybe I was wrong, but 10%, thats a lot, think about it, 10 people buy Abit boards, one of them will end up have to be RMAed. Also, out of that 90%, not all of them are fine because there are a lot of people who dont bother to RMA.
 

sleepdragon

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Yeah, Abit has higher RMA rate than Asus..but it's not that bad..
I rank Abit just below Asus and MSI..

as far as their customer services...since I live next to their north
america office..I have no problem with that at all..actually I got to
know quite a few staff members in their office, and I would just bring
the board that need service over in person..and picked it up later..
no problem at all..
 

andrey

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I believe we're talking here about not how many people buying or RMAing, but about actual quality of the Abit boards, which can be so much better... People buy those boards just because right out of the box they work great, and that's why all reviewers tell you good things about them. I bet nobody who reviews dozens of motherboards will keep the same board for more than few monthes to actually test its reliability, putting aside all overclocking bells and whistles. Abit boards die after a few monthes, while others actually last.
 

LXi

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sleepdragon: I can name a lot more manufacturers that are better than Abit in quality and RMA, namely our trusty Gigabyte that rarely ever fails, AOpen has top notch quality, Soyo, Iwill, Epox, Intel, and even Tyan... boy the list can go on, Asus and MSI are leagues above Abit in the quality department.

 

LXi

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<<People buy those boards just because right out of the box they work great, and that's why all reviewers tell you good things about them>>

Do you think people should be satified just because something works right out of the box? Is Abit the only brand that work great right out of the box? Are Abit boards the only ones the reviews praise? As great as Abit works right of the box, Asus and MSI work greater. As much praises Abit receives, Asus and MSI receive more.
 

HellRaven

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Abit is pretty good. I went with them for my current setup because they didn't have any crappy wasted AMR slot. They also were nice enough to include an ISA slot too so I don't got to buy a pci modem which would be a waste of money these days. The fan on the chipset was a nice touch too, though I doubt it makes much of a difference. i am happy thus far.
 

abovewood

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My BX6-r2 runs a C366@550 with retail fan, no problem.

However, it runs a P2-350 with 129mhz bus while my ASUS P2-99B runs the P2-350 with 140mhz bus, both tested with the same memory and video card.

 

LXi

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<<Actually, Asus Boards of late do not seem to be living up to their once lofty stanards as the Rolls Royce of OEM Boards. That's not to say they are crap, but at one time I use to be able to say that out of hundreds of systems I put together using Asus boards, I could count on one hand the number that were troublesome. Unfortunately I can't claim that anymore. Of Course of those hundreds I spoke of, almost all had BX Chipsets,where as the ones that seemeed to be troublesome either had Via Chipsets or the AMD Iron Gate Chipset.>>

Troublesome with VIA chipsets? Hm... let me count, P3V4X, CUV4X, K7V, A7V... all have been nothing but GREAT boards. Sure they can be more troublesome than the BX/Intel solutions, but again, they're the least troublesome among these VIA boards(or excluding Intel boards). Not to be contrary to your statements, it's not Asus' fault VIA chipsets are troublesome. Furthermore, I havent seen anybody else, including MSI, making less troublesome or higher quality VIA based boards than Asus.



<<Red looks around to see if Modus is going to swoop down to tell him he's full of it>>

LOL.



<<On the other hand,the MSI Motherboards have been wonderful. Ever since they came out with the 6163 it seems that any board they produce is one of Quality. Though I haven't used any of their Socket A Boards, their Slot A's have been awesome and their VIa Chipset Boards have worked well for me too.>>

Indeed, indeed. They turn themselves from a virtual unknown, to probably one of the most recognized and respected board makers in around 1 1/2 years of time. That, is VERY impressive. No doubt about it, MSI is my favorite board manufacturer(despite owning Asus boards). I have heard nothing but praises to their SlotA boards, their SocketA boards are decent but lacked multiplier adjustment in order to be in contention with Asus and Abit. Good news though, their upcoming K7T Pro2 will feature multiplier adjustment.



<<Though it would be easy to say that the downgrading of Asus Board's from their once lofty position could be due to non Intel Chipsets, the fact that MSI seems to be able to build great boards with them has to lead me to a different conclusion.>>

This is the part I dont understand, MSI have been making better non-Intel boards than Asus? Ok, aside from the K7Pro(Irongate), it's virtually a hands down win for Asus so far. You see, their MS-6309, while a very decent board, was no match for P3V4X/CUV4X. MSI chose to skip KX133 which I thought was not very smart. And their K7T Pro didn't draw any attention because of the fact that A7V and KT7/KT7-RAID are offering multiplier adjustments. Quality wise, MSI never seem to be able to overtake Asus, although I would say they can easily match them.



<<Maybe in an effort to be the first out with the most features, Asus is sacrificing QC , something which I truly beleive hurt the reputation of Abit.>>

Sacrificing QC? Ok, maybe they're sacrificing QC for features and stuff, but are we seeing any quality/reliability declining from Asus? That IS exactly what hurt Abit the most and I sure hope Asus doesnt turn into a goat like that. As far as I've seen Asus has been sucessful being first to the market, w/ lots of features, and still obtaining the lead in quality.



<<Just let me emphasize that I am not saying Asus is crap because they aren't, their 815e and Socket A Boards are praised through out the industry. Hell, maybe the staus they once held was just impossible to maintain with all the recent changes in technology.>>

Again I fail to see your point, do you have any numbers that evidently shows Asus has been doing worse than they are two years ago(in regard to quality)? I agree though, its very hard to make the balance between quality, and features.



Now I sure do sound like an MSI hater. I bought an MSI board for my cousin and immediately, it won my hearts. Their BX Master, to date, is still one of the best BX boards in the market. Their MS-6309, arguably one of the best S370 VIA 133A boards. The problem I have with MSI is that, they usually need to take two cycles to make a truely mind blowing product. 6163->6163Pro->BX Master, MS-6309->MS-6309rev2(694 Master), MS-6167->K7 Pro, K7TPro->K7tPro2. This is one of the qualitys they lack that Asus is capable of offering, look at Asus's boards this year, CUBX, P3V4X, K7V, A7V, CUSL2, all have been mind blowing boards first time out. While MSI offered some of their own with likes of 815E Pro(IMO better than CUSL2), 694D Pro(dual VIA133A), and K7T Master. If MSI can achieve the kind of promptness(first time great products) Asus does, along with it's superior quality control, Im sure MSI can take over Asus in a very short period of time.

 

Dennis Travis

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The only thing I have against ABit is the RMA issue. People like Russ, Johnny Guru and Red Dawn to name a few have a lot of experience and have put together so many systems that I have to take their word seriously and all have had a quite high RMA rate with the newer ABit boards. I hope that the new Abits are better like the older ones were at one time. Also that $25 RMA fee is rediculous. If it's their fault why should the dealer have to pay for their mistake?

I agree with Red Dawn, MSI's are very good boards. I have been using them for years and built a lot of systems with MSI's since the 486 and was very happy with all of them and I never ran into a bad board so far with them. I have an Asus now and it's been great and have had very good luck with Asus also but to MSI seems to be the little guy that really is trying to make a outstanding product but a lot of people don't know it. Of the boards out there now that I would trust for myself or a system I build for a friend I would go with ASUS or MSI. I do have an ABit in my 2nd system and it's been quite reliable but I have read too many horor stories about the more recent Abit boards to trust them for now at least. I sure hope the new Abits are back to the level of quality that the older Abits once had!

 

LXi

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Red Dawn: I agree everyone's got different opinion depending on the experience with a brand. And I can understand how you got to the conclusion that Asus has been declining in quality. But what do you think of my theory that MSI needs 2 or more cycles to make a truely steller(as in features)motherboard? I know that their quality is always up there, but you'd need some attractive features in order to be in the game and draw some fans.
 

DaddyG

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I posted in a different threadmy feelings about ABIT. A classic example is the thermistor sticking up un the Socket 462. Its easy to bend out of the way, BUT just how did ABIT manage to test the board when you can't even seat a cpu ??. Do they has cpus with extra long pins ??. Abit design is great, very creative. ABIT manufacturing and QC simply SUXS.

Red,

I agree with you regarding ASUS, I think they have a reputation which they simply don't deliver on today. Sites like this one and Tom's kiss ass up to ASUS so they can get get early hand picked boards to test.
 

dee

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Had a bh6 and the ide controller went dead after about a year. Also the board did'nt support nmi so my sblive would'nt work in dos (used to use a lot of emulators &amp; this pi$$ed me off big time).

Had'nt learnt my lesson after my bh6 experience &amp; actually bought an abit hotrod to use with an ibm drive. Spent a few months thinking there was a heat problem with my system causing it to freeze up at random. Bought a new expensive heatsink &amp; fan, same thing still happenned. Then found out on some board that highpoint cards don't work for sh!t with ibm drives &amp; abit/highpoint arn't big into advertising the fact.

Don't like abit much these days .
 

michael2

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Based on my personal experience with an ABIT BX6-Revision 2 motherboard and a friend's experience with an ABIT BE6 motherboard, as well as some other ABIT motherboard users' input there is a common quirk with ABIT motherboards, at least Intel Slot 1 BX chipset boards:
After being used for a few months, years, etc., they will quit working with no POST but the fans and hard disk drives will still spin up.
Hours of removing and re-installing components will not change the situation.
If the user happens to try the motherboards weeks or months later, suddenly they work perfectly again for an indefinite period.
My speculation is that there is a contact problem in the Slot 1 connections, but there is no specific conclusive evidence of the cause of this problem.
 

MSNY

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I've been running an ABIT BX6-R2 board since they were released back in late 98'. Never had one problem to this day, and I've swaped plenty of drives and cards. Always worked perfectly for me.

I've had 3 CPU's, 2 video cards, 4 hard drives, 2 modems, 1 nic, and 2 sound cards. Never a conflict or a problem. I see no reason to upgrade soon either.

If it's not broken why fix it ?
 

LXi

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<<I see no reason to upgrade soon either. If it's not broken why fix it ?>>

Hm... lets see, no ATA66/100, no AGP4x, no 133MHz support, no 1/2 AGP divider, no SoftmenuIII, not enough FSB selections... outdated chipset, outdated board. Well... if you wanna be stuck in the past, its up to you.

You dont have to fix things that aren't broken, but you can always improve it.
 

IAP

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Oct 9, 2000
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Anybody else noticed this? I am currently having the same experience with a bh-6. Moved it to install some new equipment and started having difficulty with it posting. What was your resolution? New board?
 
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