*i only played the first phantasy star a little on a friend's master system, and never had a genesis so didn't play the others. looks like phantasy star may have had a great plot prior to any of the square/enix games getting one
U stil cruzzin for a bruzzin eh?Whats Ff8+? Was there a remake or something?
Cloud did start the whole dark/brooding protagonist trend, but he was nowhere near as much of an annoying emo git as Squall.
U stil cruzzin for a bruzzin eh?
He meanted a Ff games from Ff8 and aftur, not a speshul Ff8!
YeeeuuuP! Why, you gonna give it to me? lol
I still dont know what you mean, try speaking english next time.
It means Final Fantasy 8, and every Final Fantasy that came after it.
Hence, "8 +"; everything beyond 8.
I think it's a bit of a trend in Manga to have characters like this, it also leaves plenty of room for character development.
There was no other Ff8 after 8, what the disc's like 1 2 3 an 4 or there was other Ff's 9 an up...you mean those? Like 9 with the monkey kid, 10 with tidus an so on? I'm talking about a carry on of 8's story with the same guys...like how they did 10 an then X-2 or 13 now 13-verses...there is no other 8 sequel or prequel.
I still dont know what you mean, try speaking english next time.
Really, the only character's that have been like that (at least as far as main characters go) were Cloud and Squall. However, almost all of the characters in FF VIII are idiotic or generally unlikable for other reasons. There's also not a lot of depth to them.
Also, you don't need to have a character that's like that for good character development. You can have a cheerful friendly character that later undergoes extreme hardships to develop the character. Or you can have a depressive character that later finds new purpose and emerges from their misery. They just need to undergo some kind of transition or other forms of development to remain interesting.
FF VIII did none of those things. You started out with a batch of twats and they never really changed. They were still pretty much the same, even after all that they went through. The only major thing that changed was Squall and Rinoa are in a relationship, which everyone obviously concluded would happen by the end of the first disc. FF VII did a much better job of completely subverting that obvious plot element, and it made the story a lot better.
Maybe that's why FF games have been so terrible lately. Nothing of any real consequence actually happens so there's never a sense of danger. The characters will always live, no matter how much the odds seem to be stacked against them. Kill a few off every now and again to keep people engaged and provide a good vehicle for character development.
Why dont you try to caliberate who had depth then of any other FF?
Uh? Dident they have solphie the girl in yellow who was destroyed when her friends were all killed, when the see'd's were in that bust up town?
They all had deep emotional out-looks, shit even ervine the sniper had pretty good human nervs, he chickened out to shoot edea right? Isint that a transistion of charector... I mean he was such the wise ass right?
I think your lost bud...they all made transactions, they were See'ds it was required to change an be more mature about there lives...as do people do in the army, yet they maintain there outlook no matter what came down. Kill someone? Like who sephy? Killing a flower girl for not taking his meds? lol
The only reason why 7 got a higher ranking by the media was because it was played by more people via=owned by more people due to having the most biggest out-put sales marketing ever..... at the time they were on everything, Dc comics help sponser them, pepsi, microsoft, apple, they were on bill boards every where...they was catapult so much in media that you evetually just had to buy the dam game. Its the same as comparing Zelda ocarina of time to FF7 more people owned 7 because more people owned a ps1, yet Ocarina held on to the title for 6 years as the raining champ of video game of the year for multiple game magazines...yet only about 1/3 sold compared to FF7. lol
No insult, I'm use to talking Pideon english so I can see its different from shakesphere. lol But Yes, you did say somthing of that zondre dident you? Name a person of depth then.I don't mean to sound insulting, and I can understand if English is not your first language, but I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to say here. Are you suggesting that I provide examples from other games in the FF series to demonstrate my point?
Well how long would you prefer? So your telling me when something bad happens to you, you buss out the samarai sword for a quick kamakazi bonzai? No.. She faced it, which was the plan...to get back at the other Garden right?I think she was distraught for all of ten minutes and then went back to her bubbly personality. It's almost as though the event had no lasting impact on her. It's almost as though the writers wanted to convey that this is supposed to be sad so they needed a character to tell us exactly how sad and tragic it was.
That entire scene was bad and poorly written. So first Irvine acts like a regular cool cat and a lady's man, but then under pressure he buckles. Okay, so far so good, that's kind of interesting. Then he ends of taking the shot anyway, but Edea basically blocks it. It would have been a much better scene if he never shot. Everything else could still have played out the same way. After that I don't think we ever see any other scenes related to this issue with Irvine.
This makes me think the whole reason the scene was written that way was to give Squall an opportunity to show his leadership ability and take action and had little to do with actually developing Irvine as a character. In fact, I think a lot of the game is this way. It's primarily about Squall (and Rinoa to some degree) and the other characters are mostly just props to provide opportunities to show some development for Squall, even if those actions don't really fit the character or are never referenced again.
Then there are plenty of other elements in the game that don't make sense, are unnecessary, and are so obviously pulled out of the writer's posterior that it becomes impossible to willingly suspend disbelief any longer. The orphanage scene where it is revealed that they all grew up together, but completely forgot about this because GFs cause memory loss comes to mind. Another plot element that never comes into play again.
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.
First you're claiming that FF VII is more highly rated because more people played it, but then you point out a counter-example where a game played by fewer people was more critically acclaimed.
There's probably a reason why Final Fantasy VII had a lot of spin-off games and other media associated with it and Final Fantasy VIII has none. It probably has to do with FF VII being a generally better game that more people actually enjoyed. As I've said before, FF VIII has a lot of problems, not just limited to the characters or story. Compared to other entries in the series (or just RPGs in general), it's just not a very good game. It tried a few different things, but ultimately they turned out to be poor choices.
Oh okay I get it, everything after the game 8 was crappy.
HUH! Not one person mentions Final Fantasy Tactics? For shame!
My Ranking...
Tactics an 8 Battles out for 1st place tie
Tactics had the most bloodiest, ruthless evil an demonic killers of any age mythology of FF, even the summons looked like if it was in a anime it would have been like a horror movie of giants ripping people to shreds...
[No kids allowed= Rated R movie]
The plot an story was one of the most rememerables to any war in the past, diseet, betrayel...out-cast- pure survival against all corners.
It dosent matter that he couldent become a dark/holy knight...he killed them...thats even better. The zodiacs stones, one of a kind story...the job systems by far best out of all the final fantasy's, his path he took was by far diviner than goku an superman combine...the only thing that ruined it was the Psp version Kefka: Hate! Hate! Hate! F the psp version.
8 Had the best story, in terms romance...a bad ass sword which is still cooler then the buster sword by far...(it can turn gigantic too=even bigger)
probably the most Gf's out of all the Ffs an the story was a hell of a lot better then a trashy looking town of Ff7. Awesome awesome card game, which I think if Yu gi oh was made after Ff8, than Yu gi ph is so such a rip off of it. Some one finally killed the all father odin, with little effort? Holy shit! Just pure fun threw the whole game, never dull an boring even if you dont know what the hell to do, collecting an challanging people to cards was fun as hell. The variety of monsters looked way better an again the love story coupled with the concert of your choice of instruments(saxaphone was the bomb) was awesome, it took me like a week to beet the boss. All in all its a classic.
2 and 6 duke it out for a tie for 2nd place
2 Has my undisputed king of the dragoons Kain highwind, bad ass job class, I'd take a dragoon over a dark night any day...jumps hundreds if not thousands of feet in the air an lands with out splattering? Hell yeah! Not to mention Tactics did nicely with there dragoons outfits as well...but 2 was probably the saddest, yet most traditional out look of what a Ff should have.
Bar none the standard of any final fantasy, if not a little above awesome.
6 was probably the most funniest, Kefka was hilariously written, an the casting team was probably over all put together the best out of the Ff's...every one was really unique, an had very like-able personalitys...I liked king edward, but still think his bro would smash him in a fight. The only thing that wasent good is in a Ff game you kinda want 1 head honcho, that stands out, but for 6 everyone was kinda equal. But I see it a little above 2 but then again Kain comes in all by him self an levels it back to a tie.
7 and 10 are confusingly battling for 3rd.
I dont know about 7, in one moment I think its number 1 then I think its to overated, its just sephiroth, all the right things to add in a villian, he was nominated the best villian a long time ago, which I slightly agree on...but once you find out his main drive is becuase of his moma...a weird looking diseased polymorped huncback of matradom looking angel, then it all fell apart for me, he wants to kill the planet because he has mommie issues. lol
It killed me......but 7 had its seperation from all of them its junkyard gettoh streets feel was uniqe an I thought it was awesome too...it did gross the most out of all the Ff's thats saying something...but for me, he stays in 3rd place at best.
10 was actually okay for me, I lode that peice of crap blue hair homo whos trying to cash in on Yuna, but I guess it played a game of get your dam girl back! Which is always a best seller...the graphics took a huge leap at that time, an still can hold his own...awesome game of underwater soccer/football...a different leveling up system that was kinda fun but over powering...but I think it can hold grounds better than the unnamed Ffs I dident mention an take the bronze if a more detailed match up was to compare it with 7.
Let the hate comments begin!
The fuck you smokin' bro? Pass me some!
Tactics doesn't count. Durp.
8 was fun and interesting. 6 is the best IMO, but 7 gives me the most nostalgic feeling and has the best characters, elements, style, audio, etc.
Couldn't stand 10. WAYYYYYY to metro for me. Played it for about an hour and ended up just saying "Fuck this shit, I'm going to play me some Halo 2!"
No insult, I'm use to talking Pideon english.
Do you speak pigeon english or pidgin english?
One is basically Hawaiian, the other is from China.
No insult, I'm use to talking Pideon english so I can see its different from shakesphere. lol But Yes, you did say somthing of that zondre dident you? Name a person of depth then.
I had typed up a long response to this, but then the forum ate it and I don't feel like retyping it all before I go to bed. Suffice to say, most of the major characters from FF VI (Those who you meet in the first part of the game) receive more development and are more interesting than any that you find in FF VI. I used Locke as an example and how his past has caused him to be protective of damsels in distress, which eventually leads him to have a conflicted relationship with Celes due to his own past and her former position with the Empire, which he has his own reason for disliking. There's also Terra who has mixed feelings over her parentage and the Empire's desire to use her as a weapon. There's Cyan who loses his family, Edgar and Sabin's story, and even Setzer gets a fair amount of development. They're all vastly more interesting and well-written characters than those found in FF VIII.
Really though, just go check out the Spoony review that the OP referenced. He covers a lot of the reasons why there are a lot of people that find FF VIII seriously flawed or outright terrible.
Indeed, thats what made the game better. its more of a personal choice not a bisness choice...but I totally agree. Not to mention everyone has there own opinion because...well...every one has different personalitys, hence I was going to add to him that although the samurai guy from 6 was all noble an bad ass, he wouldent have fit in the more modern world of 8 thats like comparing Sabin with Zell, I think on a personal note sabin would knock out zell in terms of his personality would favor him...but zell is more modern an would probably use more intuallectual fighting to beat a more older kin version of a monk. Its tough to call...plus when I played 8 I was in high school so the See'd thing made everything more phasinating there.FF is in the nostalgia business. The charm is looking back at your experiences with the game, rather than the actual time playing.
Think about what you did in each of those games:
Level grind, materia grind, AP grind, magic draw grind, etc.
The majority of the time you spent in the game isn't what you remember later. It's the reward you feel after getting it done.
I remember looking for the lost characters in FF6, the death in FF7, Rinoa and the Ragnarok scene in FF8, a very random final boss in FF9, Blitzball from FFX, and not much from 12 or 13.
Also I'd like to say, although there storys always stayed the same (the game), how us... as in the players live's at the time will be in a different stage, different emotions, different everything...as like how I said, if I played something similar now...it wouldent be as grand as when I first played it then...I was in a whole different world at the time...I still enjoy thinking about it...but its like the Narnia effect, you grow up. lol
That's my point though. The first time I played FF VIII, I enjoyed it enough to finish the game. For its time, the graphics were incredibly impressive, especially the FMVs. I also enjoyed the card game and thought it was a good mini-game and even found the junction and draw system to be somewhat new and novel. I didn't like the characters or story as much as FF VII or FF VI, but the game had enough set piece moments to keep me going.
However, in retrospect the game doesn't hold up, especially compared to a lot of other RPGs. I could easily go back and play FF IV or FF VI again, and might not even mind playing FF VII again at some point, but I honestly don't think I would ever want to play through FF VIII again, at least not without trying a no-exp run or something like that.
Even though the more recent entries in the series have tried out a lot of new interesting twists on combat (FF XII's battle system) or gameplay (FF X's sphere grid system) to keep the series fresh, they utterly fail to provide enjoyable characters or an engaging story. The last game in the series I played was XII, and I honestly don't know if I'll ever bother to pick up another. When I was younger, incredible graphics and new battle systems may have been enough to keep me interested, now that I'm older and have less time on my hands, I want a compelling experience, and that requires a good story telling experience. Objectively speaking, none of the more recent FF games have had much in that department.
I don't want to discount your opinion. After all there are some terrible games and movies that I enjoyed when I was young and could still watch if for no other reason than the nostalgia factor, but that doesn't make them any better than they objectively are.
On another note, FF VIII didn't have multiple player support, so you must have been switching the controller back and forth. Also for what it's worth, Tactics is probably my second favorite game in the series out of all of the games I've played, but I probably enjoy tactics games (Front Mission, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre, etc.) more than JRPGs so that might color my opinions a little.