Why does Final Fantasy 8+ suck so hard?

[xantub]

I totally loved FF9. Interestingly it's the last one I played. Loved the story, loved the characters, loved the combat system.

 

[sweenish]

The plot is so-so, but FF5 is awesome. The job system rocks, the blue magic rocks, the items and weapons are awesome, forcing a shield dragon to rape itself is the second best thing (to Wind God Gau) in any Final Fantasy game, and it had the best superbosses (yes better than FF7).

My second favorite FF game. The thrill of beating Omega (without putting it to sleep with three bards) is worth the price of admission.

It will have to go in the queue, then.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I am a bit shocked by the lack of love for the original. For it's time it was an amazing game and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Of course, it's time was probably before a lot of the people in this thread were old enough to play it...haha

 

[Deders]

I am a bit shocked by the lack of love for the original. For it's time it was an amazing game and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Of course, it's time was probably before a lot of the people in this thread were old enough to play it...haha

I played through it several times when it came out and grew to appreciate it more and more, it really doesn't age well though

 

[Pr0d1gy]

it really doesn't age well though

I don't doubt that as it is a dinosaur in tech terms. In terms of a pre teen boy in the 80's, it was one of the best NES games ever made. I went and tried to play 3/6 after hearing exdeath and so many other proclaim it's vast superiority here and it is no better as far as aging well. It's the same game with a little better story.

Just saying.

 

[ikachu]

I don't doubt that as it is a dinosaur in tech terms. In terms of a pre teen boy in the 80's, it was one of the best NES games ever made. I went and tried to play 3/6 after hearing exdeath and so many other proclaim it's vast superiority here and it is no better as far as aging well. It's the same game with a little better story.

Just saying.

I think with some of the quality of life improvements (auto re-targeting if enemy is dead, buying multiple items at once) in the FF1 remakes, it is still a pretty fun game. If you get bored you can always try it with a different/crazy class combination. It doesn't have the big dramatic story of the later FFs, but sometimes I just want to be a dude who whacks monsters with a sword.

I know I'm a minority opinion here, but the early-leveling penalty in FF6 makes it unplayable for me. I know that you can still easily beat everything in the game without worrying about it, but I love grinding in JRPGs (probably due to cutting my teeth on FF1 and Dragon Warrior on NES) and purposely avoiding it pisses me off.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I don't doubt that as it is a dinosaur in tech terms. In terms of a pre teen boy in the 80's, it was one of the best NES games ever made. I went and tried to play 3/6 after hearing exdeath and so many other proclaim it's vast superiority here and it is no better as far as aging well. It's the same game with a little better story.

Just saying.

FF1 was so buggy that just a patched version of it is a completely different game balance-wise.

I think with some of the quality of life improvements (auto re-targeting if enemy is dead, buying multiple items at once) in the FF1 remakes, it is still a pretty fun game.

Amen. I can't stand the hitting empty space. Making grinding a grind.

I know I'm a minority opinion here, but the early-leveling penalty in FF6 makes it unplayable for me. I know that you can still easily beat everything in the game without worrying about it, but I love grinding in JRPGs (probably due to cutting my teeth on FF1 and Dragon Warrior on NES) and purposely avoiding it pisses me off.

FF6 is all about late game grinding. It is a blast getting all of Gau's abilities, getting Ultima from the shield, or beating Brachiosaurs so bad that your whole party has Celestriads.

 

[xantub]

I think with some of the quality of life improvements (auto re-targeting if enemy is dead, buying multiple items at once) in the FF1 remakes, it is still a pretty fun game. If you get bored you can always try it with a different/crazy class combination. It doesn't have the big dramatic story of the later FFs, but sometimes I just want to be a dude who whacks monsters with a sword.

I know I'm a minority opinion here, but the early-leveling penalty in FF6 makes it unplayable for me. I know that you can still easily beat everything in the game without worrying about it, but I love grinding in JRPGs (probably due to cutting my teeth on FF1 and Dragon Warrior on NES) and purposely avoiding it pisses me off.

Wow, please give me a list of the RPGs you've hated, as I would most probably LOVE them! I hate grinding with a passion, and first thing I Google for when considering buying a game is if it has mandatory grinding (I don't care if there are optional bosses that need you to be max level, I can skip those, as long as I can finish the game without grinding).

 

[ikachu]

Wow, please give me a list of the RPGs you've hated, as I would most probably LOVE them! I hate grinding with a passion, and first thing I Google for when considering buying a game is if it has mandatory grinding (I don't care if there are optional bosses that need you to be max level, I can skip those, as long as I can finish the game without grinding).

Well, the list is pretty much any game that has a drawback to leveling early or where the monsters scale with you...

I guess some notable ones would be:
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Final Fantasy 8
- Elder Scrolls Oblivion

Games w/ random stat increases get on my nerves sometimes but I can usually live with that.

 

[MrPickins]

Well, the list is pretty much any game that has a drawback to leveling early or where the monsters scale with you...

I guess some notable ones would be:
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Final Fantasy 8
- Elder Scrolls Oblivion

Games w/ random stat increases get on my nerves sometimes but I can usually live with that.

:thumbsdown:

FFT is one of the best FF games of all time.

 

[ikachu]

:thumbsdown:

FFT is one of the best FF games of all time.

I agree with you but it is unplayable for me because sometimes I want to walk back and forth for awhile and level up my characters and the game punishes me for it.

 

[xantub]

I agree with you but it is unplayable for me because sometimes I want to walk back and forth for awhile and level up my characters and the game punishes me for it.

really? looks like I should like it, sounds exactly like what I want in a game. I also loved Oblivion, but never played FF8, will give them a try.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

FF1 was so buggy that just a patched version of it is a completely different game balance-wise.

I never had a problem with it and I was 12. Well, except for this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfEFdQJwzY

1/64

 

[poofyhairguy]

I never had a problem with it and I was 12. Well, except for this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfEFdQJwzY

1/64

Well sure it was beatable, doesn't mean the NES version isn't disappointing.

I played the remake in that video last year and it was much much better.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Well sure it was beatable, doesn't mean the NES version isn't disappointing.

I played the remake in that video last year and it was much much better.

I can't imagine how it wouldn't be...they had decades to make improvements...lol

 

[SandEagle]

I beat 8, it's was a great game to me. Start 9, but didn't finish. I need to play 9 again and finish it.

i couldn't beat 8, it was too hard. i loved 9 a lot.

 

[Spydermag68]

When ever I play an older game, I try to remember when it was made. The first FF game I played was 7 on my PS1. I really liked it. Today it is old and characters models are really dated.

When 8 came out I found it was very much different than 7 and I was confused that game mechanics were so different than the one before. I learned to concentrate on the story and how to game the system for magic. Drawing magic was a pain but I. Finally found heaven and hell islands and the best magic to grind and an easy way to level up. This is the only FF game that I have finished 4 or 5 times.

9 I played once. The biggest draw back to the game was guide. Who wants to go online to find out what the publisher was to cheep to print in the book.

10 & 10-2 I have played 2 times each. Both games are still fun to play but I see no reason to pick the HD versions.

12 I picked up when it was new and tried to play it. To me the characters faces were washed out and i was not really into the story. I later picked it up again after sitting on the shelf for 2 years. I finished it that time but when you can grind your characters over night it kind of defeats the purpose of playing the game at all.

For 13, 13-2. I have played each one twice with 100% completion. I did not like "riding on rails" for so long in 13. The second time through I just wished that I could open the full combat system from the get go. 13-2 was fun and it kind of fit with 13. I liked bouncing through time and the open feel to the game.

13-3 I have had it since it was released but due to time constrains have not been able to play the game.

The FF games 7-13+ all have their strengths and weaknesses. The earlier games the graphics have not aged well. Hell that was over 15 years ago. Some have mechanic problems, grinding magic in 8 or a game that can be beat in 5 hours like 9. Most of them have a character that I would of just liked to kill off for good, Sqaull, Titus, Vaan, and Hope. All of these characters are really emo to me. Just grow a pair already.

My ratings:7 > 10> 13 > 13-2 > 8 > 10-2 > 9

 

[Silver Prime]

:thumbsdown:

FFT is one of the best FF games of all time.

Yup, other than Kefka killing whole towns by poisoning them, destroying the world an all, whats Sephiroth go through that makes him memorable? Killing a flower girl, an trying to blow up the world after some mommy issues? People seem to rank the FF's by what they played first, kinda like spydermag holds 7, yet 7 is basically a rip off of 6 just more futuristic. I've played them all in chronological order except 11, 12 and 13, Tactics, 6 and 8 had the best storys...back to the memoir...

Kain is badass, Butzz too (before his illustration) once I seen Cloud go from awesome looking cut up white dude to techno raving blonde asian, then Squall>Cloud by a mile, 6's cast was okay. Tidus follows and Zane sucked. The story was more overwhelming for tactics, who did the villians kill (in the main story) not counting random encounters/misc monsters/bosses, Ramza witnesses shit lodes of people conspire against the other.

His eldest brother poisons his father, turns his middle brother into a zombie vampire who you have to mustar up and kill, then kill your oldest brother after he turns into 1/12 lucavi's from the Zodiac. You see people like Gustav getting killed, Delitas sister shot then blown to bits, Miluda, Izlude, the Chancellor, Marcus Elmedor, kill Gafgarion in a 1 on 1. Get to meet Cloud and the legendary Beowulf, topped by probably the most skilled fighter in the FF franchise the Thunder God Cid, (who his decoy was shanked to death lol) how many stabs, blown up and ripped to peices are there in each cut scence?

Watch your best friend travel the ranks from a nobody commoner to King of the whole country, Tactics had the most lustly, grusome blood shed of any FF game.

And just so happens, Ramza (because of the job system and mixing and matching the support x equipment x class, P4P he'd whoop any lead main character with a full in arsenal and full in stats. Even 99,999 hitting you 5 times before you can do anything Tidus, the supposed super soilder bullet timer Cloud from advent children, and probably the Esper girl with superman like powers from 6 too.


Oh and Thunder God Cid in a 1 on 1, would pulverise Sephiroth.

 

[Deders]

Best plot synopsis for FF8: "Cid makes a pact with a monster to invest billions of gil to start a school that trains child soldiers to kill his wife."

 

[Silver Prime]

A even shorter one. FF7: Mamas boy loses it. Cross dresser saves the world.

 

[Silver Prime]

The FF games 7-13+ all have their strengths and weaknesses. The earlier games the graphics have not aged well. Hell that was over 15 years ago. Some have mechanic problems, grinding magic in 8 or a game that can be beat in 5 hours like 9. Most of them have a character that I would of just liked to kill off for good, Sqaull, Titus, Vaan, and Hope. All of these characters are really emo to me. Just grow a pair already.

My ratings:7 > 10> 13 > 13-2 > 8 > 10-2 > 9

What are you talking about?

Cloud was the most emotional FF character in the whole franchise, even more than the constant cry baby Tidus. Atleast Tidus was crying for a whole civilizations vs losing his girl, Cloud through out the manga, animie, cut scenes in Crisis core was crying like a school girl when Zack died, an entire Rival air ship town was blown to bits killings tens of thousands, Squall didnt even break one tear, Solphie held it together better than Cloud did.


I mean in crisis core when cloud crys out when the shinra army lit up Zack almost made me wanted to throw the psp in how much of a pussy he was.

 

[Sulaco]

Final Fantasy VIII sucked because it is one of the few Final Fantasy games whose plot centered around a love story, at which it totally failed. Poor writing, unlikeable characters, forgettable villains, and general lack of any emotional connection, it made a George Lucas love story look like Romeo and Juliet.

All Final Fantasies have had a love subplot between at least two of the characters, but VIII was the first (arguably only) where it is front and center (literally the cover art), and it bombed totally.

 

[Silver Prime]

Final Fantasy VIII sucked because it is one of the few Final Fantasy games whose plot centered around a love story, at which it totally failed. Poor writing, unlikeable characters, forgettable villains, and general lack of any emotional connection, it made a George Lucas love story look like Romeo and Juliet.

All Final Fantasies have had a love subplot between at least two of the characters, but VIII was the first (arguably only) where it is front and center (literally the cover art), and it bombed totally.

lol 8's story is what sold more copys than 7 excluding Vll's movies, manga, spin offs ect. 8 Sold the fastest in north america and held that title for months, with 3 weeks 8 did what 7 did in several months, all Clouds succsess and connection with the characters comes from his gimmicks beating 8 in sales barley. 8's intro and ball dance (the love theme you're talking crap about) still holds as one of the most best video game cinamatics of all time, followed in with its musical you got to mix an match your own instruments. Make any gimmick library for 7 that large for any FF game, and they could double its sales and game rating.

At-least there was a love triangle with Squall, Riona, Seifer and Ultimacia thats classical...who did Cloud get? Nobody. Forgetable villans? Oh like ultimacias transformations that took nearly a whole day to beat? Even the omega weapon from 8 would shit all over sephiroth and the weapons combine'd. Cloud supposed girl Aierth, was hardly ever interested, you had one that played you and ripped you off; Yufi, and the last followed the crazed I'm gona burn the town like a little girl throwing a tantrum because I thought I was a super-soilder, when in actual, I'm a deformed giant pigeon.

 

[Silver Prime]

whoops double post

 

[Sulaco]

lol 8's story is what sold more copys than 7 excluding Vll's movies, manga, spin offs ect. 8 Sold the fastest in north america and held that title for months, with 3 weeks 8 did what 7 did in several months, all Clouds succsess and connection with the characters comes from his gimmicks beating 8 in sales barley. 8's intro and ball dance (the love theme you're talking crap about) still holds as one of the most best video game cinamatics of all time, followed in with its musical you got to mix an match your own instruments. Make any gimmick library for 7 that large for any FF game, and they could double its sales and game rating.

At-least there was a love triangle with Squall, Riona, Seifer and Ultimacia thats classical...who did Cloud get? Nobody. Forgetable villans? Oh like ultimacias transformations that took nearly a whole day to beat? Even the omega weapon from 8 would shit all over sephiroth and the weapons combine'd. Cloud supposed girl Aierth, was hardly ever interested, you had one that played you and ripped you off; Yufi, and the last followed the crazed I'm gona burn the town like a little girl throwing a tantrum because I thought I was a super-soilder, when in actual, I'm a deformed giant pigeon.

Aside from your atrocious butchering of the English language, to the point it's difficult even trying to decipher what you're trying to argue, the number one thing that keeps anyone from taking you or your opinions seriously is your penchant for flat out lying and making things up.

Final Fantasy VII (that's 7, by the way) outsold Final Fantasy VIII globally by nearly 2 million units in total, and in each and every market. This is easily verifiable, Google search information.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/758/final-fantasy-viii/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/756/final-fantasy-vii/
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy

A silly debate anyway which proves nothing, but even more asinine is mentioning the speed the game sold at release? I mean, really? Is your defense of a 15 year old game really that tenuous?
And your argument (I think?) that VII only sold as well as it did because of other tie-ins and spin-offs is laughably absurd to. Why do you think it had so many spin-offs associated with it? Answer: Because it was exceedingly popular to begin with.


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