Why does Israel need settlements in the West Bank?

Aisengard

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Why can't Israel simply agree to stop settlements altogether? What purpose do they serve? From what I've read, it's just another major source of unnecessary violence. Just stop the settlements, let Palestine become its own state like the UN wants, and then no one will have any moral excuse for rockets fired at Israel. And hopefully it will change the conversation for the better.
 

EagleKeeper

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Part of Israel feels that the land on the West Bank should be Israeli. therefore when one creates a new town; the West Bank is a possible location.

The Palestinians do not want a political state, they want a perpetual state of handouts.
If they were to be a state (they have had plenty of time to do so without Israeli interaction ('48-'67 as an example, plus other treaties that were never fulfilled) then they would also be held responsible for their actions.

Hamas wants confrontation, the settlements are just an excuse. When the West Bank was trying to setup some discussions; Hamas openly stated that they were against any talks and would attempt to destroy any agreement.

That they refuse to do.
 

EagleKeeper

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Because the Jews are greedy? Oh there's a new idea!

Everyone is greedy.
Isreal has made less mistakes than the Palestinians which is giving them a leg up.

Had the roles been reverese there would have been no Israel in '49
 

Schadenfroh

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One of the best ways to assimilate a region and prevent violence in the long run is to colonize it with your own people.

http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince03.htm
when states are acquired in a country differing in language, customs, or laws, there are difficulties, and good fortune and great energy are needed to hold them
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The other and better course is to send colonies to one or two places, which may be as keys to that state, for it necessary either to do this or else to keep there a great number of cavalry and infantry. A prince does not spend much on colonies, for with little or no expense he can send them out and keep them there, and he offends a minority only of the citizens from whom he takes lands and houses to give them to the new inhabitants; and those whom he offends, remaining poor and scattered, are never able to injure him; whilst the rest being uninjured are easily kept quiet, and at the same time are anxious not to err for fear it should happen to them as it has to those who have been despoiled. In conclusion, I say that these colonies are not costly, they are more faithful, they injure less, and the injured, as has been said, being poor and scattered, cannot hurt. Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge.

But in maintaining armed men there in place of colonies one spends much more, having to consume on the garrison all income from the state, so that the acquisition turns into a loss, and many more are exasperated, because the whole state is injured; through the shifting of the garrison up and down all become acquainted with hardship, and all become hostile, and they are enemies who, whilst beaten on their own ground, are yet able to do hurt. For every reason, therefore, such guards are as useless as a colony is useful.
 

Macamus Prime

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Palestinian: "Why are you on my land?!?"

Israeli: ",... TERRORIST!! YOU ARE A TERRORIST AND YOU MUST DIE!!!"
 

wuliheron

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Why can't Israel simply agree to stop settlements altogether? What purpose do they serve? From what I've read, it's just another major source of unnecessary violence. Just stop the settlements, let Palestine become its own state like the UN wants, and then no one will have any moral excuse for rockets fired at Israel. And hopefully it will change the conversation for the better.


Because shit rolls down hill.
 

Lemon law

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Once again Common Courtesy says, "The Palestinians do not want a political state."

Its a really great liar liar pants on fire Israeli propaganda line, but as we read the handwriting on the wall, Israel is on notice that their bullshit will no longer opp orate
past 9/2011.

After that, Israel is on notice, its out Israeli damn spot from the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

The problem is that Bozo Netanyuhu lacks the guts to tell his settler party nut jobs that their jig is up.

As delusional idiots like Netanyuhu and Common Courtesy fail to realize, the can can no longer be still be kicked down the road. As give em hell Harry said, the buck stops here.

The real question is will Israel give Bozo Netanyuhu the boot well before this coming September or not. Does it matter in which way Israel receives it dope slap?
 

JS80

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There's no such thing as a palestinian. They are arabs living on land that no longer belongs to them.
 

wuliheron

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Lebensraum


Not just that, its the high ground and their boarder from which it is all too easy to blast the shit out of Israel. Shit literally does roll downhill in a battle. So long as the Palestinians declare their ultimate goal is to destroy Israel they will continue to slowly occupy the land against international opposition. Even historically in that region he who controls the high ground wins.
 
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iGas

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Once again Common Courtesy says, "The Palestinians do not want a political state."

Its a really great liar liar pants on fire Israeli propaganda line, but as we read the handwriting on the wall, Israel is on notice that their bullshit will no longer opp orate
past 9/2011.

After that, Israel is on notice, its out Israeli damn spot from the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

The problem is that Bozo Netanyuhu lacks the guts to tell his settler party nut jobs that their jig is up.

As delusional idiots like Netanyuhu and Common Courtesy fail to realize, the can can no longer be still be kicked down the road. As give em hell Harry said, the buck stops here.

The real question is will Israel give Bozo Netanyuhu the boot well before this coming September or not. Does it matter in which way Israel receives it dope slap?
Netanyuhu made his bed and now he has to lay in it. He use right wing Nazi Zionist rhetorics to incite hates and get into power, and now he can't back out of his promise to make peace with the Palestinian except for moving along with the tied of blood that he once was a voice.

IMHO, it doesn't mater who get into power next because the hatred stage has set and the greed will not end till Jews drive all Palestinian out of their land or Arabs drive Israelis out of the unholy land.
 

iGas

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There's no such thing as a palestinian. They are arabs living on land that no longer belongs to them.

Are you trying to justify the Nazi and Japanese systematic of ethnic cleansing?

If that is the case then you sounded like a holocaust denier.
 

JS80

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Holocaust:




"palestinian" aka arabs living in Israeli territory:







"evil" settlements, aka new housing development on shit land that arabs can't do anything with:

 

MotF Bane

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Why can't Israel simply agree to stop settlements altogether? What purpose do they serve? From what I've read, it's just another major source of unnecessary violence. Just stop the settlements, let Palestine become its own state like the UN wants, and then no one will have any moral excuse for rockets fired at Israel. And hopefully it will change the conversation for the better.

And then, after all that is done, rockets will still be fired, and we're right back where we all started.

The West Bank needs to become Israeli territory, along with Gaza, for reasons of their safety and security.
 

the DRIZZLE

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The land the Israeli's have gained is the price for all the Arabs aggression over the last 60 years. The Palestinians think that if they wait long enough eventually they will be able to drive the Jews into the sea. The settlements allow the Israeli's to make this strategy very expensive for the Palestinians. Every time the Palestinians walk away from the table their country gets a little smaller.
 

Abwx

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Holocaust:




"palestinian" aka arabs living in Israeli territory:







"evil" settlements, aka new housing development on shit land that arabs can't do anything with:



Lol...the zio brainwashed say that the palestinians are responsible
for the WW2 crimes....
Just imagine that you are the nazis while palestinians are in
open roof prisons...
 

JS80

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Lol...the zio brainwashed say that the palestinians are responsible
for the WW2 crimes....
Just imagine that you are the nazis while palestinians are in
open roof prisons...

Yes we are all slaves to the corporations and the politicians blah blah
 
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