Why does Just Cause 3 cost $85.00?

[futurefields]

Actually digital piracy IS stealing. And just because someone thinks the game is too expensive, does not give them the right to STEAL it. As someone else put it, the game developers don't OWE you a game.

The entitlement syndrome of gamers is ridiculous. If you like the product, buy it. If you don't like it, skip it and move on, or wait until it's cheap (what I do).

 

[cbrunny]

Digital Piracy ≠ Stealing

Factually incorrect and blatantly stupid.

 

[Sulaco]

Factually incorrect and blatantly stupid.

Stop it! You're making me feel bad for stealing unlawfully acquiring games that are purely for entertainment!

 

[Jaepheth]

Colloquially, piracy is stealing in that you're taking what doesn't belong to you. Technically it is not, or to be more precise piracy is not theft; it's a violation of copyright law.

To use a popular analogy; imagine someone steals your car at night, and in the morning it's still there.
Theft-stealing implies not only taking for yourself, but depriving the rightful owner of its use completely. With software piracy the rightful owner can still sell the product you've pirated. A portion of pirated software may translate into lost sales, but it's not a 1 to 1 correlation. If you shoplift a candybar from a store, the store not only can't sell the candybar, but loses the costs of transportation, inventory, stocking, and replacing that candybar.

Piracy may not deprive the owner of the objects use, but it does deprive them of their rights to set the terms under which their creation is used and distributed (you give us $85 you get X hours of entertainment). If few agree to those terms, then market forces take over and the price will drop. And then not all, but more copies of the game that were pirated when the price was high translate to loss of sales now when the price is lower, et cetera. The long and short of it is; it's theirs and they can set the price to whatever they want. You're also welcome to disagree with them and call them idiots all you want, but you are not free to take from them their rights as the creators of that art.

The nature of the product means that theft and piracy should be considered separate crimes because they hurt the victim differently, they benefit the perpetrator differently, and they have different levels of difficulty in both the commission of the crime and the catching of perpetrators.

[/unsolicited lecture by a non-expert]

 

[gorcorps]

Everyone who disagrees with me is very wrong. Also, I am very right. You lose.
Those who are with me stay strong. Our day and hour is near. DLC and micro transaction nonsense will be a thing of the past and take their rightful places in the dustbin of history right next to guillotines and mustard gas.

You're right, and then games will cost $85 out the door instead of $60

At least at this point I can pick and choose if I want all the DLC.

 

[moonbogg]

You're right, and then games will cost $85 out the door instead of $60

At least at this point I can pick and choose if I want all the DLC.

You're right. I see so many missed opportunities, especially back in the 80's. I can imagine playing Pac-Man in the arcade. You put a quarter in and start playing, but there is only 2 ghosts and half the dots are missing. ...:::Insert second quarter for DLC:::... appears on screen. All ghosts, all dots, all win.
Only got 1 quarter? No prob. Just run it in gorcorps mode until you can pay twice the cost for the full game.

 

[cbrunny]

You're right. I see so many missed opportunities, especially back in the 80's. I can imagine playing Pac-Man in the arcade. You put a quarter in and start playing, but there is only 2 ghosts and half the dots are missing. ...:::Insert second quarter for DLC:::... appears on screen. All ghosts, all dots, all win.
Only got 1 quarter? No prob. Just run it in gorcorps mode until you can pay twice the cost for the full game.

That makes no sense. You're talking as if all DLC is part of the core gameplay instead of added on features.

 

[moonbogg]

That makes no sense. You're talking as if all DLC is part of the core gameplay instead of added on features.

Aha! But that's the thing. You only THINK Pac-Man has all the dots and ghosts for 25 cents because they gave it to you from the beginning. That was their mistake. They should have given half the dots and half the ghosts. You would then think that more dots and ghosts was some sort of ULTRA version of the game for 25 additional cents when in fact that was just how the game was supposed to be, just like JC3 developers removing content and selling it to you for an additional price.
JC3 is supposed to have a missile launching jet pack, but they took that away from you and tried to sell it AGAIN, making you pay more for the game. JC3 hasn't been out that long. The DLC should have shipped with the game and not have been called DLC. In some games where they release an expansion to the game later on, that's one thing, but when they hold content back like JC3, that's just a filthy trick.

 

[sweenish]

Take a few breaths, realize what it is you're getting so worked up about, and do something else.

I've been there. It's just a game. It will also get cheaper as time goes on. As so many people have said, if you don't want to pay for it, don't. It's literally that simple.

 

[moonbogg]

Take a few breaths, realize what it is you're getting so worked up about, and do something else.

I've been there. It's just a game. It will also get cheaper as time goes on. As so many people have said, if you don't want to pay for it, don't. It's literally that simple.

I have to rant about this while the issue and the game are both still fresh. You can't neglect a good rant. They get cold like a hot meal left on the counter.

 

[sweenish]

This isn't a good rant, though. And your version of it isn't even the best I've seen on this stupid topic.

It's pointless, easily solved, and just made room for pirates to come out of the woodwork and spout their delusional self-justifications. Because for whatever reason they need affirmation from others that what they're doing isn't wrong.

 

[cbrunny]

This is a terrible rant that doesn't make any sense.

DLC is optional. Period. So is buying the game. I don't understand how EXTRA content that is EXTRA and is NOT part of the base game is owed to anyone ever.

If anything, you should be ranting about Street Fighter V, which is actually a legitimately unfinished product, stating clearly that certain pre-promised features are yet to be implemented.

Would you expect a pizza shop to give you three toppings for the price of two? Makes no sense.

So what if the company has been working on the DLC for longer than "since launch"? Why do you feel that SE can't have a business plan for a huge investment? Just Cause 3 has 40+ hours of content in it alone, not including the many hours it would take to complete all the challenge missions. I know this because I've completed the entire game except for the challenge missions and it took about 42 hours to do it.

Stupid rant is stupid.

 

[moonbogg]

This isn't a good rant, though. And your version of it isn't even the best I've seen on this stupid topic.

It's pointless, easily solved, and just made room for pirates to come out of the woodwork and spout their delusional self-justifications. Because for whatever reason they need affirmation from others that what they're doing isn't wrong.

For you, this is an issue of piracy. That's not my issue and has nothing to do with my issue. Also, why should my argument be the best you have ever seen? I am not here to compete for an award for best DLC hater or something. If my argument was the best you've seen, would you reward me? What would I get?
This is very straight forward and I feel I am correct on this. Game companies realized that people will quite simply pay twice for the same game, so they found a sneaky way to TRICK PEOPLE into thinking they are getting more, when most of the time they are actually getting one game but paying twice for it.
They remove content that belongs in the game. They remove things that make sense for the game and compliment the game character so well you would think those things belonged in the game in the first place, and in this case, of course they belong there. They just figured it would be better for them if they could make you pay extra for it. For them that makes sense. Hell, who doesn't want to get paid twice for doing one job?

 

[cbrunny]

For you, this is an issue of piracy. That's not my issue and has nothing to do with my issue. Also, why should my argument be the best you have ever seen? I am not here to compete for an award for best DLC hater or something. If my argument was the best you've seen, would you reward me? What would I get?
This is very straight forward and I feel I am correct on this. Game companies realized that people will quite simply pay twice for the same game, so they found a sneaky way to TRICK PEOPLE into thinking they are getting more, when most of the time they are actually getting one game but paying twice for it.
They remove content that belongs in the game. They remove things that make sense for the game and compliment the game character so well you would think those things belonged in the game in the first place, and in this case, of course they belong there. They just figured it would be better for them if they could make you pay extra for it. For them that makes sense. Hell, who doesn't want to get paid twice for doing one job?

This post absolutely reeks of someone who has not played Just Cause 3, and also has NO IDEA what kind of content actually exists within the DLC. If you had even the slightest knowledge of both of these things, you would clearly understand that JC3 is a stand-alone game, and the DLC is EXTRA content.

 

[moonbogg]

This post absolutely reeks of someone who has not played Just Cause 3, and also has NO IDEA what kind of content actually exists within the DLC. If you had even the slightest knowledge of both of these things, you would clearly understand that JC3 is a stand-alone game, and the DLC is EXTRA content.

It just sounds like you bought into the trick. You actually think they are selling something extra that justifies extra cost. This is nothing but a carnival trick. They are gaming us and you fell for it so hard its insane.

 

[cbrunny]

It just sounds like you bought into the trick. You actually think they are selling something extra that justifies extra cost. This is nothing but a carnival trick. They are gaming us and you fell for it so hard its insane.

I haven't fallen for any trick. I was willing to pay the price that it cost to play the game. Period. I have not yet bought the DLC because I don't think it makes any sense to pre-order DLC.

Just because you aren't willing to pay the price does not make others stupid. It also does not mean that a corporation that wants to make money is somehow immoral when it's practices fall in line exactly with the entirety of capitalist society. Sounds like your problem is more to do with capitalism than anything, and I believe P&N is thataway <------

 

[moonbogg]

I haven't fallen for any trick. I was willing to pay the price that it cost to play the game. Period. I have not yet bought the DLC because I don't think it makes any sense to pre-order DLC.

Just because you aren't willing to pay the price does not make others stupid. It also does not mean that a corporation that wants to make money is somehow immoral when it's practices fall in line exactly with the entirety of capitalist society. Sounds like your problem is more to do with capitalism than anything, and I believe P&N is thataway <------

I believe you want to kick me out of the gaming forum because you disagree with me. That's too bad. A mod can kick me out but you may not.
Also, I never called you stupid. You simply fell for a marketing trick. Its not just you, but me and most others. You think I have never bought DLC for a game?
I am saying that it is becoming increasingly obvious that its just a simple trick they are pulling to get more money out of us. It is very blatant with JC3 that this "DLC" should be part of the game. They even segmented the DLC into separate parts. No one wants just one DLC pack. Most people will just bend over and pay the extra $25.00, bringing the total of the game to $85.00 like I said in the OP.
Its a ripoff and its a very clear, blatant, thinly veiled CARNIVAL TRICK.

 

[cbrunny]

I believe you want to kick me out of the gaming forum because you disagree with me. That's too bad. A mod can kick me out but you may not.
Also, I never called you stupid. You simply fell for a marketing trick. Its not just you, but me and most others. You think I have never bought DLC for a game?
I am saying that it is becoming increasingly obvious that its just a simple trick they are pulling to get more money out of us. It is very blatant with JC3 that this "DLC" should be part of the game. They even segmented the DLC into separate parts. No one wants just one DLC pack. Most people will just bend over and pay the extra $25.00, bringing the total of the game to $85.00 like I said in the OP.
Its a ripoff and its a very clear, blatant, thinly veiled CARNIVAL TRICK.

I wholly and completely disagree with you to the fullest extent that is humanly possible.

 

[ZGR]

Digital piracy isn't the same as stealing. I wasn't saying digital piracy is an acceptable practice, but it isn't the same as stealing limited material.

If I pirated an obscure movie I never planned on watching, does the movie studio lose money? If I pirate a popular movie that I want to watch, then they do lose money.

So no, digital piracy doesn't have the same economical effects as stealing a movie in a store.

Digital Piracy IS wrong, but it is nowhere near the same definiton as stealing. I don't see all piracy as immorral however. Is it wrong to pirate media that is otherwise abandonware from decades past? Even if you owned the original copy from before? A lot of what is pirated isn't something that can be purchased unless it is second hand.

So I will say it again: Digital Piracy &#8800; Stealing. Digital Piracy is wrong but it doesn't have the same economic impact as stealing actual material. That is fact. If you don't want to pay for a new game, then that game isn't for you.

 

[moonbogg]

I want the entire JC3 game, I want it right now and I want it for $45.00. That's a fair price for a NEW game that is well made and popular, yet very shallow and without any meaningful story or content. Its an explosion simulator. That's it.
$85.00 is...its just...its just cause people can be tricked into paying it.

 

[sweenish]

For you, this is an issue of piracy.

Did not read the whole post because you're already dead wrong.

I chimed in on the piracy, yes, but my initial posts in this thread were very much about the topic. I'll give you that I probably chimed in more during the piracy tangent than the actual topic, though. However, in my last couple posts, I was on topic. What's warranting these long-winded replies when you can't even follow the discussion?

And this is not issue of piracy for me. I was responding to those that thought it was a legitimate alternative.

 

[moonbogg]

Did not read the whole post because you're already dead wrong.

I chimed in on the piracy, yes, but my initial posts in this thread were very much about the topic. I'll give you that I probably chimed in more during the piracy tangent than the actual topic, though. However, in my last couple posts, I was on topic. What's warranting these long-winded replies when you can't even follow the discussion?

And this is not issue of piracy for me. I was responding to those that thought it was a legitimate alternative.

Do you think $85.00 is a good price for JC3?

 

[sweenish]

I want the entire JC3 game, I want it right now and I want it for $45.00. That's a fair price for a NEW game that is well made and popular, yet very shallow and without any meaningful story or content. Its an explosion simulator. That's it.
$85.00 is...its just...its just cause people can be tricked into paying it.

How naive and ignorant you are.

You have no clue what kind of costs go into the development and publishing a AAA game on a global scale. The tens of thousands of man hours over a couple years, and that's without even considering marketing costs.

And how are you still ignoring everyone that's been saying to just wait for the price to hit what you're comfortable with? Is that concept so difficult? But no, you want to have your cake and eat it too because when it comes to real world costs of things like this, you've kept your head in the dirt, only to bring it out long enough to spout your uninformed diatribes.

This last post of yours is literally a toddler's rant.

Just get over yourself. This topic is sad. I think I'm done with it.

 

[moonbogg]

How naive and ignorant you are.

You have no clue what kind of costs go into the development and publishing a AAA game on a global scale. The tens of thousands of man hours over a couple years, and that's without even considering marketing costs.

And how are you still ignoring everyone that's been saying to just wait for the price to hit what you're comfortable with? Is that concept so difficult? But no, you want to have your cake and eat it too because when it comes to real world costs of things like this, you've kept your head in the dirt, only to bring it out long enough to spout your uninformed diatribes.

This last post of yours is literally a toddler's rant.

Just get over yourself. This topic is sad. I think I'm done with it.

You love me so much it hurts like hell. Don't take it personal. I just think the game is over priced. Shouldn't have to wait years for the game to get priced right.

 

[Red Storm]

You love me so much it hurts like hell. Don't take it personal. I just think the game is over priced. Shouldn't have to wait years for the game to get priced right.

Sweenish is right, you're complaining like a little kid. It's a game, just wait for the price to go down, because it most definitely will.