Why does nvidia cheat so much?

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amenx

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I dont even really understand why videocards are sooooo important to some people in here.

Because, it's more than just simplistic numbers but about what the GPU's can do to improve immersion and the gaming experience itself.
Because its the piece of hardware most closely associated with virtual penises. Some people take particular exception at the notion of being perceived with smaller, under-performing kit. :sneaky:
 

ZimZum

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Or maybe, just maybe some posts are irrational and unbalanced.

Why wont you admit that Cheetos are the cheese that goes crunch? I cant believe that Minnesota keeps blowing 20 point leads. That new show "The Playboy club" is unwatchable. I think I might actually be a god. My burps smell like Bologna but I haven't eaten any in months. Are you always this emotional? Perhaps you should try decaf, you take this stuff way too seriously.
 

hdfxst

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I googled "viral marketing AMD" and the first site that pops is this (after the ads of course)
http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=articles&go=read&arc_id=112

This was spread quicker than forest fire towards most technical forums at that year(days within that month). How did it ended up having no proof of AMD's viral marketing nowadays?

If it was true don't you think it would have come out in 5 years?Did you bother to look at the date?
 

Seero

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If it was true don't you think it would have come out in 5 years?Did you bother to look at the date?
And I accidentally resurrected a 5 year old thread in the CPUs and Overclocking section...

If it had happened 5 years ago, then what makes you think that it isn't happening now? And where is Rollo? The living proof you guys spoke of.
 
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OCGuy

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Wow we must be between launches if this is what is considered a thread worth 380 posts.
 

hdfxst

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I don't know if it's happening now but you're going to have to do better than an obscure 5 year old article to convince me.
 

SirPauly

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Why wont you admit that Cheetos are the cheese that goes crunch? I cant believe that Minnesota keeps blowing 20 point leads. That new show "The Playboy club" is unwatchable. I think I might actually be a god. My burps smell like Bologna but I haven't eaten any in months. Are you always this emotional? Perhaps you should try decaf, you take this stuff way too seriously.

That's the kind of balance and rational thought that is needed!
 

Keysplayr

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I don't know if it's happening now but you're going to have to do better than an obscure 5 year old article to convince me.

If our conversation was real, I should be having a great deal of trouble convincing you that there aren't any. Amiright?
 

Keysplayr

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You just keep striking out.

Also Alice Madness Returns was released not too long ago.

Silverforce, check out PhysXinfo.com

Pretty good source of information and offers many many with and without PhysX comparison videos. Guy did a nice job of it.
 

hdfxst

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Hence the concern, and my point. It's quite literally unrealistic what you're offering. That there aren't any.


i said i don't know but if you make the accusation isn't the burden of proof on you?It's the same as saying you saw sasquatch
 

badb0y

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PhysX is never going to reach it's potential until nVidia stops being idiots. I don't mean letting it run on AMD cards but if an AMD card is the primary card then people should be able to drop in a nVidia cards as PPUs. They have a potential to have an nVidia card alongside every AMD card and their not taking it.
 

3DVagabond

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I googled "viral marketing AMD" and the first site that pops is this (after the ads of course)
http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=articles&go=read&arc_id=112

This was spread quicker than forest fire towards most technical forums at that year(days within that month). How did it ended up having no proof of AMD's viral marketing nowadays?

This is where TechReport actually confronted them on the viral marketing. Just incase people don't follow it from the link at the end of the article @ NGOHQ. If you are going to read NGOHQ's spin then you should read this as well. It's a bit more defining of the situation.
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/10847

I think it's funny that NGOHQ acted viral themselves and never actually inquired to AMD or Design Reactor if they were spamming on their site. I just find it interesting to see these junior Sherlock Holmes tactics. Rather than doing what Tech Report did and confront them.

A few months ago there were a few suspicions towards a graphic chips manufacturer regarding a possible use of viral marketing by using shills to provide positive feedback to its products on many forums. Recently, we received evidence that may link AMD, a processor manufacturer, to a possible use of viral marketing/shills on hardware site's forums by a third party company.

This is the start of NGOHQ's article. They are referencing what nVidia got caught doing. They are obviously trying to link the two events, as Seero has also done, rather than treat them as they are, two completely separate and unique occurrences.

Here is the meaty part of Design Reactor's response.
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AMD has not commissioned us in any way to do any kind of viral marketing or promotion of this site in any venues other than traditional paid media vehicles.

It does make sense that Design Reactor or their employees would want to promote a site they had created

Now, let's assume the worse. Let's assume they are lying through their teeth. Let's assume that AMD paid Design Reactor to spam these sites. What was actually perpetrated on the sites and community?

Well, the sites had their "no spamming" rules broken.

The community got told about an AMD site.

There was a lack of transparency.

Not at all the same thing that the nVidia Focus Group did. No one was hurt/banned, no anger and arguments, no ill feelings amongst bystanders. While they both are wrong and can be classified as viral marketing, that's where the similarities end.
 

Firestorm007

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What I find most disturbing about all this, is the fact that some are claiming AMD has a viral marketing campaign too. If you can't prove this fact, then stop deflecting it. It just makes you look silly.
 

Rifter

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PhysX is never going to reach it's potential until nVidia stops being idiots. I don't mean letting it run on AMD cards but if an AMD card is the primary card then people should be able to drop in a nVidia cards as PPUs. They have a potential to have an nVidia card alongside every AMD card and their not taking it.

I agree with this, even though i still think GPU physX is not worth the time to bother running anyways(yet). Nvidia made a bad decision in not allowing nvidia physX cards to be used in all systems.
 

JSt0rm

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What I find most disturbing about all this, is the fact that some are claiming AMD has a viral marketing campaign too. If you can't prove this fact, then stop deflecting it. It just makes you look silly.

^^^ this

OR maybe we should all say amd's viral marketing is so much better then nvidias because there isnt any record of it anywhere?

Who should i trust to make my videocards? The company who steps in viral marketing dogshit or the one who expertly navigates the internet for over 6 years viral marketing everywhere without any proof they are doing it?
 

AnandThenMan

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Nvidia made a bad decision in not allowing nvidia physX cards to be used in all systems.
The dumb thing is, me and many others were saying this since Nvidia bought out Ageia and decided to turn it into a closed loop.
Who should i trust to make my videocards? The company who steps in viral marketing dogshit or the one who expertly navigates the internet for over 6 years viral marketing everywhere without any proof they are doing it?
LOL. Harder to answer than you might think.
 

tigersty1e

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The simple fact is they work more on optimizing the games to fit their drivers and cards.

It's just so easy for them to cheat and "over optimize" for their cards. Would AMD do this if they also worked so much on optimization? maybe.
 

3DVagabond

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The simple fact is they work more on optimizing the games to fit their drivers and cards.

It's just so easy for them to cheat and "over optimize" for their cards. Would AMD do this if they also worked so much on optimization? maybe.

AMD could easily "cheat" as well. All they'd have to do is get the devs to use extra large textures so the game requires more than 1.5Gb of RAM @ 1080 4xAA. The game then tanks on everything except the 6900 2Gb cards. It's what nVidia would do.
 

SirPauly

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Imho,

No, what is cheating is going behind the developers back and the gamers back and trading image quality for performance. What you're claiming is cheating is if one has a competitive advantage and may offer a benefit to their customers. nVidia are big boys and gals and offered sku's with double the memory and offered choice to consider. AMD, can't simply address their tessellation 'till next generation.
 
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