Why does nvidia cheat so much?

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SirPauly

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Ideally, one would like to have a clear and concise naming convention at all times, but it's just tough to be ideal at all times in an unideal world.
 

Pantalaimon

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The conspiracy now goes to the legal system where the judge was in on it as well?

No, I'm just saying that judges are not always correct and the sentences or deals they approve are not always fair. Hell, where I live a rapist can get away with 2 years of probation because according to the judge, the perp 'did not mean it'.
 

Idontcare

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I was more pointing to the concept that if you behave a certain way long enough, you'll start assuming everyone else has the same motivations. It's part of projection. Cheaters assume everyone else is cheating. People who react emotionally assume that everyone else is being emotional. Apply the same logic to people who keep telling us that AMD is employing stealth forum marketing campaigns and see what conclusion you come up with.

The police in my area keep telling me, and the rest of the area's citizenry, to keep our car doors locked because there is a thief (or possibly more than one) who is going through people's cars at night and stealing their money, etc, leftover in the cups-holders and so on.

Given your bullet-proof logic, sounds like I better call 911 and report that I now know exactly who is going through our cars at night! Its the police themselves D:

I've applied your logic, that's the conclusion I came up with...and yet it seems like something, maybe, is amiss :hmm:

Come to think of it, all those prosecuting attorneys out there who keep pressing charges against people, and the supposed victims who claim they were attacked...yes, yes, I see it all so clearly now. The victims are merely projecting, as are the prosecuting attorneys.

Logic, ftw, I guess :\
 

Pantalaimon

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hdfxst

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Ideally, one would like to have a clear and concise naming convention at all times, but it's just tough to be ideal at all times in an unideal world.

When Nvidia skipped over the 300 series i think they did it right.they could rename the 200 series cards 300 series and leave the 400 series to dx11 only cards
 

hdfxst

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Hah, when AMD has a gimped card with DDR3 memory instead of DDR5, it's not ok, even though the DDR3 spec is in the name of the card, but when NVIDIA has a gimped card with an ambiguous description of 'Green' in the name it's ok.

It would seem that way
 

SirPauly

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It would seem that way

It's just a reality of things based on decisions based on road-maps and inventories to me. I don't like them and do ideally desire a clear and concise naming convention at all times and understand where Carsten is coming from with that article.

He is one of my favorite reviewers at PCgaminghardware!
 

Idontcare

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Yeah, he was! Rollo is an enigma but I enjoy and enjoyed his posting though. His biggest gift was he was a lightning rod!

Sounds like he was just a tool who did crap above and beyond anything he was actually asked or expected to do.

I don't judge today's 11,000 AMD employees, let alone the 10,000 that were there at the time, based on the questionable ethics and activities of Hector Ruiz.
 

SirPauly

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i remember reading rollo/jethro's posts on rage3d and he seemed to be helpful there

I debated Rollo/Jethro for many, many years that goes back to 3dfxgamers and many of them at Rage. He was always a lightning rod but other gifts he had was thick skin and a wonderful sense of humor, but these positives were not enough for his abrasive posting style at times and would get banned and banned.
 

Pantalaimon

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Sounds like he was just a tool who did crap above and beyond anything he was actually asked or expected to do.

I don't judge today's 11,000 AMD employees, let alone the 10,000 that were there at the time, based on the questionable ethics and activities of Hector Ruiz.

We've been told that NVIDIA's focus group is not big. Last I heard it's now around 3-4 people? And one of them is Rollo. As far as I'm concerned, as long as that guy is in the focus group, it deserves all the criticism it gets for keeping someone like him in it.
 

Pantalaimon

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I debated Rollo/Jethro for many, many years that goes back to 3dfxgamers and many of them at Rage. He was always a lightning rod but other gifts he had was thick skin and a wonderful sense of humor, but these positives were not enough for his abrasive posting style at times and would get banned and banned.

Kyle over at [H] is abrasive. Rollo is just a plain douche.
 

NIGELG

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Yeah, he was! Rollo is an enigma but I enjoy and enjoyed his posting though. His biggest gift was he was a lightning rod!
Rollo was a cause of misery...even getting people banned who dared question whether he was a stealth viral marketer which turned out to be true.

He was a belligerent,condescending,mean poster who waged war against and predicted the death of AMD/ATi....which are not what a supposed 'Focus Group' was supposed to be doing.Nvidia would take themselves out of it by saying the members' views are their own and not necessarily those of Nvida.I can see why you and Nvidia like him so much.

Nvidia once had a distasteful slogan ''Crank that sh** up''.Well they certainly know how to do that.
 

Seero

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We've been told that NVIDIA's focus group is not big. Last I heard it's now around 3-4 people? And one of them is Rollo. As far as I'm concerned, as long as that guy is in the focus group, it deserves all the criticism it gets for keeping someone like him in it.
Perfect description of Stereotyping.
 

SirPauly

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I can debate many without getting into personal attacks and try to debate or engage points and counter them.

I like Kyle's passion and strong convictions.
 

SirPauly

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Rollo was a cause of misery...even getting people banned who dared question whether he was a stealth viral marketer which turned out to be true.

He was a belligerent,condescending,mean poster who waged war against and predicted the death of AMD/ATi....which are not what a supposed 'Focus Group' was supposed to be doing.Nvidia would take themselves out of it by saying the members' views are their own and not necessarily those of Nvida.I can see why you and Nvidia like him so much.

Nvidia once had a distasteful slogan ''Crank that sh** up''.Well they certainly know how to do that.

I usually can engage posters without personal attacks and judgements and try to concentrate on the points.
 

Pantalaimon

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Perfect description of Stereotyping.

When the group is as small the focus group is, and having, and keeping Rollo in it damn well means the purpose of the focus group is not what it theoretically should be. This is not some group with hundreds or thousands of member so you can't claim that he gets through the cracks due to the large numbers, or that he's just one guy in a large group and doesn't represent the whole group.

If I were to belong to a small club with that small a number of members, and one member keeps behaving badly and gets away with it, I would not remain in that club.
 

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When Nvidia skipped over the 300 series i think they did it right.they could rename the 200 series cards 300 series and leave the 400 series to dx11 only cards
The funny thing about Nvidia renaming, they have also done things that misled others into thinking a newer, better card was worse. ie, 8800gts 640mb (g80), and what followed later, 8800gts 512mb (g92) which was a much more powerful card. That could been re-named a new series altogether imo.
 

Seero

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When the group is as small the focus group is, and having, and keeping Rollo in it damn well means the purpose of the focus group is not what it theoretically should be. This is not some group with hundreds or thousands of member so you can't claim that he gets through the cracks due to the large numbers, or that he's just one guy in a large group and doesn't represent the whole group.

If I were to belong to a small club with that small a number of members, and one member keeps behaving badly and gets away with it, I would not remain in that club.
If one student in a class who does something bad repeatedly and gets away with it all the time, and you belongs to that class, then what will you do?

If a convict has family relatives, does it mean all family relatives are, by your definition, bad people? What if (I mean if) you belongs to a family that exists one or more people who are bad, are you going to change your name and cease all trace of relationship and live as someone else?
 
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Pantalaimon

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If one student in a class who does something bad repeatedly and gets away with it all the time, and you belongs to that class, then what will you do?

If a convict has family relatives, does it mean all family relatives are, by your definition, bad people? What if (I mean if) you belongs to a family that exists one or more people who are bad, are you going to change your name and cease all trace of relationship and live as someone else?

Those are some silly comparisons. Belonging to a family is not the same as belonging to a focus group.

Even so, if a family doesn't do anything to change and prevent its family member from say, being a bully, or racist, I'd interpret them as being tolerant or even cheering him on with those behaviors.
 

JSt0rm

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It wasnt a focus group before, it was viral marketing firm who contacted forum members of different forums and offered them free nvidia stuff to subvert those places. After it was found out it became a focus group. Now to read its down to like 4 members (lol) tells you everything you need to know about the focus group.
 

Seero

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Those are some silly comparisons. Belonging to a family is not the same as belonging to a focus group.
Silly it may be. It is silly to stereotype one group of people for what one person in the group does/did.

Even so, if a family doesn't do anything to change and prevent its family member from say, being a bully, or racist, I'd interpret them as being tolerant or even cheering him on with those behaviors.
What doo you want that group do? What will you do?
Keys belongs to that group, a big time fan he maybe, but is he bad? Keys taught me that even a fan, one diehard fan who actually tells you he is one simply by looking at his sign,can be very respectful. I don't know Rollo but I know Keys. He has been bullied since I joined here. He may have back down on arguements, but he is still standing as a member of nvidia focus group, a group that many believed nonproductive, not helpful, and filled with bad people. What do you see from another member of the group you strongly believe only consists of bad people?
 
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